TVONE Blending Info, General Q&A or just how to? - Page 29

Bob Sorry for the confusion, I was just stating the Questions I put to Christie in the Email regarding if it can do Custom resolutions, AKA: Input standard blu-ray 1920x1080p,800p @24Hz, out put 1064x800p@72Hz to each projector allowing (2.40:1) aspect..

I haven't heard back from them as yet due to sending the Email late Friday
besides the Auto reply Email we will respond shortly, so I expect to get A answer by Monday and will post it here..

I agree that the Spyder 200/300 Series PDF I posted is not clear either way but we will see..

But I Did find this:
All inputs are equally functional, that means you can choose the maximum resolution and functions for every input/ & Spyder is not bound to limited pixel resolutions. You can use projectors with different resolutions.


Dont have A Clue how much one of these cost not cheap I would imagine..
The pricing also depends on how many input/outs you choose but model 222 comes standard with 2 ins 2 outs:
Analog RGBHV, DVI-, HD-SDI (3G-SDI SMPTE 424M optional) inputs /outputs

See attached PDF Spyder-Flyer page 2 for available models(200 Series)

Quote Bob
I wasn't aware of that - perhaps that is the cause of the issue Athanasios mentioned."

I Believe that EDID would likely be the case But CIR Craig says for A work around you can Remove Pin 15 I think it was on the DVI/HDMI adaptor or HDMI Cable so EDID cant be read, but Iv never tried this...

Jase..

 

Spyder_flyer_VD-EU.pdf 213.5390625k . file

Athanasios - Are you listening?


Bob

Pin 15? Are you sure?



Athanasios

Athanasios I would still check with Craig but the info is correct..

Pin 15 on the DVI-D end of the HDMI-DVI-D Addaptor
This is Compatable with Type A HDMI 1.3a (Type A-to-DVI-D wire Assignment) From HDMI Specification 1.3a PDF page 138 Type A-to DVI Adaptor Cable..

Pin 17 on the HDMI type A Cable..

See Attached Pin Assignment diagram for HDMI-to DVI addaptor,

Let us know how you go Athanasios as Id be interested to see if this solves the YUV issue..

Jase

 

Table C-2 Type A-To-DVI-D.zip 77.2001953125k . file

Sorry to be A little off topic..

Ok I got A reply from Christie regarding the All in one Vista Spyder 200/300 Series VP blender,it does indeed allow custom resolutions for input & outputs up to 210Mhz ..

Email Reply

Dear Sir,

1. With regard to your enquiry, Yes, it does.

2. Please let me know if you should need further information on our range of VISTA products.

3. Thank you.
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While I'm unsure of pricing at this stage regarding Christie's Vista Spyder model 222 stand alone, it would appear that this is yet another solution for Edge blending bringing the total to 3 product manufacturers that Im aware of (not including PC based).. TV-ONE by far still offer's the best value for Money especially if they can bring out all in one blender's with A full implementation of Calibration tools inc Zone & summed CMS/Grayscale providing us the option to do away with the current need to run secondary Video processor's like Radiance XE,XS VP's, iScan Duo or the AV Foundry Video EQ's in the Video Chain thus greatly reducing the overall price point to Achieve reference Projector Blending ....

Jase...

Just for "shits and giggles", lets add 3D capability, and it would be the ultimate. And maybe an ap for control from my Ipad!


Bob

Bob not sure if you know but the latest firmware for the TV-ones has 3D ability added If i remember correctly. I think I saw it in the menu structure somewhere
after i did the last update.

Athanasios

Looks like that is the next project! Only stumbling block is that my VP50Pro doesn't handle 3D.


Bob

Bob You Read my Mind yes to Ipad..

I'm running A VP50 pro as well (Hopefully DVDO/Silicon image will update it soon for 3D & full CMS/ NOT ..

Jase

Athanasios, Wondering if you Have had A chance to mod you HDMI to DVI-D addapter
(Remove pin 15 on DVI-D)

Jase..

Not a chance, unfortunately. I spoke with them since the takeover and the only thing they will be doing with the VP50 series is repairs.

They will be bringing out some new products, perhaps based on the DUO.
What they are working on is trying to "clean up" the picture that we get from the new streaming services such as Netflix, etc.


Bob

TV One Acquired by Nortek, Inc.

Erlanger, Kentucky, USA, May 18, 2011 - TV One announces the recent sale of one hundred percent of the Company?s stock to a subsidiary of Nortek, Inc., a leading diversified global manufacturer. The sale includes all TV One related, wholly-owned companies in the US, UK, Taiwan and China. TV One will be included in Nortek's Technology Products segment and closely aligned with Magenta Research LTD. The transaction was completed on April 28, 2011.

David K. Barnes, TV One CEO, stated, ?We recently celebrated our 25th anniversary in the Pro AV industry and have established a record of consistent growth, profitability and product innovation. At the upcoming InfoComm Show, we will launch an entirely new technology and product range that will usher in a new era for TV One. As part of the Nortek family of companies, I look forward to maximizing the opportunities that will take TV One to the next level. I personally look forward to being part of that continuing success.?

?TV One?s combination of its proprietary CORIO® scaling technology, unique products and solid growth is a perfect fit with Magenta,? added Magenta Research CEO Keith Mortensen.

Mortensen continued, ?The synergy between the two organizations is remarkable and TV One fits nicely into Nortek?s Pro AV strategy. Magenta plans to leverage TV One?s global sales network in order to enhance the market penetration of our products. The recent introduction of Voyager?, Magenta?s all-format fiber optic-based signal distribution platform, expands our infrastructure product range significantly and is a perfect match with TV One?s soon-to-launch video processing range.?

The two Companies will jointly exhibit at InfoComm in Orlando, June 15-17, 2011, in Booth 3601, where they will showcase the latest innovative products from both organizations. Magenta Research and TV One principals will also be available for interviews at the show.

For additional TV One information, contact Maria Silva, +44 1843 873315, maria.silva@tvone.com
Continental Approach, Westwood Industrial Estate, Margate, Kent CT9 4JG, United Kingdom

Click here to download the press release in MSWord...


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About the Companies

TV One Broadcast Sales Corporation specializes in video, audio and multimedia processing equipment, based on its proprietary CORIO video conversion technology. Located in Erlanger, KY with offices across the globe, TV One manufactures a complete line-up of products for the professional and broadcast video market.TV One has operations in Europe, USA, Taiwan, China and Latin America.

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Thanks Donald..

I think the InfoComm Show is next month So it will be interesting to see what new Blend units TV-ONE have install, hopefully there still at the same pricepoint..

Cant wait,
Jase..

Here are some pics of Bob's NEC Blend screen shots along with some pics of his set up. He's still learning how to host pics etc so I said I'd do it for him.



I bet Curt will like some of this stuff ;-)












I like how Bob built the tweeters into the wall same with the drivers. maybe he'll comment on what he did.
Pretty cool I think!!!


Custom built 4 inch square steel tubing!!!

















Its his first time with screen shots but really good I think!!!

Great work Bob !!!!

Athanasios

Truly impressive setup Bob,
I noticed your little friend on the seat also enjoys your theatre ..

Jase..

Thanks for the comment!
Hey - I didn't even know she was there until you brought it to my attention!!

Bob

The Blending (blend zone) looks really good. Looks like only the colors could use more matching, and once that's done you'll have a perfect bland (not perfect as in perfection, but perfect in what is considered a well blended image).

Looks really Good..

Thanks - The main issue with color imbalance is the non-symmetry caused by the normal setp of R-G-B-R-G-B. If I had taken the extra time to swap the R & B in one of the projectors to end up with R-G-B-B-G-R, it would solve that issue.

When you setup and calibrate a single projector, you never really notice much difference between one side and the other, but it is much more noticeable when you are calibrating a blend. There are two "side to side" color balance controls on XG's that I haven't played with yet, but they are probably not as effective as the zone controls available with the Marquee's, but I'm only guessing.

I really don't want to pull one projector down to swap the tubes, but if I ever get the time, I might try to do it with it still hanging. Might need a third hand to do that, but I think it is doable.

Bob

Actually, the placement of the tubes has nothing to do with color uniformity on a blend setup. Absolutely nothing.

It's really all about the method used to make it happen.


I'm not following this, but if you somehow see this is being what it is, I'll just jot it down in my head as being something different about the technology. But based on all the blends and multi-screen displays that I setup, repair and calibrate for a living, the only thing we've ever seen to make a difference with either Digital or CRT technology, is for digital the lamp and CRT the condition of a tube, in that one of the matching (rr,gg,bb) tubes would have more of less wear than the other.

if using the proper calibration method, you can actually match two projectors that are of different models. That is if the tubes are in the same condition, because the condition of the tubes is the only real issue for blending. So two of any brand or model of CRT or digital projectors can be PERFECTLY colr calibrated in a blend setup, IF they have both top and bottom (drive/G2) color adjustments.



Changing the tubes will not make any changes in the image at all. That's something I've already tried, but it was before I knew better.

Mike - Are you changing the laws of physics again?

Customary procedure for performing grayscale, gamma, and cms calibration is to use window patterns and the light sensor senses light from the center of the screen.

If you were to move the sensor towards either side of the screen, your color temperature readings would obviously be different from the center readings. There are three reasons for this:

1 - a different portion of the tube face is producing the light.
2 - the distance between the lens and the screen is larger on the sides than in the middle.
3 - the angle from the tube to the screen is different.

If you agree with the obvious physics of the three above, then you should also agree that whatever differences exist, the will be very much reduced by having the screen see symmetry relative to the identical tubes in each projector at the center of the blend zone.

As it is now, at the center of the blend zone, only the green is perfectly symmetrical with the same angle and distance for both projectors. The blue tube on the left projector is the closest to the center and has the shortest distance, while on the right projector it has the greatest angle and the greatest distance. Vice versa for the red.

If I swap red and blue positions on one projector, then the distances and angles are identical with all three tubes.


Bob

Nope, just presenting a case against the theory of video presentation and blending again.

And doing so from years of actual first hand experience. In fact, I've never seen a top end commercial CRT blend setup that I had to swap the CRT's, nor had I found a reason to do so. And in these setups, the matching color requirement is almost always it has to be perfect. The blend zone is never sold as being something that can be made perfect, but the color matching can always be made perfect if the tubes are up to it. And it makes no difference where the tubes are located in line with each other. It's totally irrelevant... and again, I say this from experience..

Thats impressive what set of xgs are hanging

XG1101LC's with new tubes.

Bob

hello a wil try to setup 2 g70 in a blend were shoud i bye the tvone unit

I don't know where you are, but would suggest you look at the TvOne's website to find the closest dealer. They have many models available that have blend capability.

Bob

ok who of the units do you sugest?
is the 1T-C2-760 good?

no, the PC based card is not digital input compatible.

The C2-2450A is the best unit for someone who just wants to blend with DVI/HDMI how ever i found them to have HDCP issues so you would also need
a MOOME MUX-HD as well, i use the MUX as the splitter . So you would go:

BD>MUX-HD>Two C2-2450A's>Two G70's with Moome HDMI Card's

I am still looking for the Price sheet.

I would also suggest another radiance so you can do Greyscale and CMS for each G70. I have two radiance's before the TV-One units.

Athanasios

ok but the 1T-C2-760 is not a pc card, its a box just whitout a screen
http://www.tvone.co.uk/1t-c2-760-main.shtml

There are a few more options on this, so you might want to price them first:

1 - 2 DVDO Duo's. Can only do 11 point grayscale whereas the Lumagen's can do 21 point I think.

2 - 2 VideoEq's which can do 21 point.

3 - 2 VideoEq Pro's which can actually do 1024 points (overkill).


Bob

you could use that but then you'd have to use the Corio Program to set all parameters and save them. its much easier doing it via the screen on the Unit.

But it would be less money which would free up cash for another radiance or if you sold the radiance get the Video eq's. But you definitely to have CMS control for each display .

Athanasios