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post #1 of 18
1/30/08 at 1:02pm
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That old "catalog" titles that have lossless tracks only contain a remix????
Examples
-Halloween pcm track is the remixed 5.1 track from the 1999 Limited Edition.
I feel it should be a Lossless mono track. Anchor Bay gave us the mono track but not in PCM.

-Robocop 5.1 DTS HD MA, while this film took the oscar for best sound design the track should be 4.0. fox did do right and include the original mix but not in High Resoloution.

-Blade Runner, I have no problem with the new cut being in 5.1 Dolby Tru HD, but the 1992 Director's should have a lossles Stereo Mix.

I love 5.1, and love a remix but for completion and purist rationale I feel that the original mixes should be given side by side.
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post #2 of 18
1/30/08 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

That old "catalog" titles that have lossless tracks only contain a remix????
Examples
-Halloween pcm track is the remixed 5.1 track from the 1999 Limited Edition.
I feel it should be a Lossless mono track. Anchor Bay gave us the mono track but not in PCM.

-Robocop 5.1 DTS HD MA, while this film took the oscar for best sound design the track should be 4.0. fox did do right and include the original mix but not in High Resoloution.

-Blade Runner, I have no problem with the new cut being in 5.1 Dolby Tru HD, but the 1992 Director's should have a lossles Stereo Mix.

I love 5.1, and love a remix but for completion and purist rationale I feel that the original mixes should be given side by side.

Agreed, I try to always use the original track, and would prefer PCM in every case.

Not just old movies but foreign movies as well.
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post #3 of 18
1/30/08 at 1:14pm
If it's 2.0 or 4.0 I'll just select DPLIIx on my receiver anyway.
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post #4 of 18
1/30/08 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post


I love 5.1, and love a remix but for completion and purist rationale I feel that the original mixes should be given side by side.

I agree.
J
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post #5 of 18
1/30/08 at 1:24pm
Depends. I know that Harryhausen et al would have preferred a surround track to a mono or even stereo on a monster flick like "20 Million Miles to Earth", but they didn't have the technology back then. The fact that a mono/stereo track doesn't exist is far outweighed by the fact that I get the movie in HD and that Sony went so far as to make it lossless when it didn't really need it. On the other hand, "The Tailor of Panama" Blu-ray retained the original 5.0 soundtrack instead of sticking in LFE, so that made the purist side of me happy, especially considering it was a recent film.

Regardless, this is a "problem" with both formats, if it bothers people.
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post #6 of 18
1/30/08 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by JBlacklow View Post

Depends. I know that Harryhausen et al would have preferred a surround track to a mono or even stereo on a monster flick like "20 Million Miles to Earth", but they didn't have the technology back then. The fact that a mono/stereo track doesn't exist is far outweighed by the fact that I get the movie in HD and that Sony went so far as to make it lossless when it didn't really need it. On the other hand, "The Tailor of Panama" Blu-ray retained the original 5.0 soundtrack instead of sticking in LFE, so that made the purist side of me happy, especially considering it was a recent film.

Regardless, this is a "problem" with both formats, if it bothers people.

You'd think that since Sony went out of their way to give both B&W and colourized alternate video tracks on 20MMTE they'd have bothered with including the original monophonic mix too.

Sigh.
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post #7 of 18
1/30/08 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by Jiffylush View Post

Agreed, I try to always use the original track, and would prefer PCM in every case.

Not just old movies but foreign movies as well.

I usually just watch the original foreign audio (and enable english sub titles) on import flicks anyways - best way to get the 'original' (and often PCM) audio mixes the director intended.
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post #8 of 18
1/30/08 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by TheSimplePanda View Post

You'd think that since Sony went out of their way to give both B&W and colourized alternate video tracks on 20MMTE they'd have bothered with including the original monophonic mix too.

Sigh.

Like I said, it's likely that even the creators didn't want it.
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post #9 of 18
1/30/08 at 1:47pm
The original mix should always be included even if just a secondary option.
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post #10 of 18
1/30/08 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by CraigW View Post

The original mix should always be included even if just a secondary option.

I completely agree. Sometimes the 5.1 mixes are pretty good, other times not so much.
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post #11 of 18
1/30/08 at 6:05pm
What upsets me is having to visit a thread to know what it's about. Same as "please read this" or "what do you think?" which crop up now and then. Imagine if everyone did that.
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post #12 of 18
1/30/08 at 8:41pm
Robocop and Blade Runner were originally released in 70mm with 6-track Dolby Stereo
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post #13 of 18
1/30/08 at 9:27pm
I think that they Pixar Short Films collection has some 2.0 PCM tracks but I can't be sure because I've only read the back. But that's really the only release I can think of that has the original audio track in something less than 5.1 that is lossless/uncompressed.
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post #14 of 18
1/30/08 at 10:26pm
It does bother me when I can't get the original audio mix on any movie. It's a significant argument against purchasing that DVD/BR... not quite a dealbreaker, but often if I have to choose between that and a disc with the original audio, the remix-only disc stays at the store.

I still haven't made up my mind about The Terminator.
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post #15 of 18
1/31/08 at 9:21am
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As Hypocritical as it sounds, I mosly choose tho use the 5.1 track when I watch the film.
However I like owning the original mix because I am a sick completist.
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post #16 of 18
1/31/08 at 10:59am
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Does it upset you...

It pisses me off!

I advise everyone that would appreciate the inclusion of the OST in lossless format to take a look at the thread bellow


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...nal+soundtrack
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post #17 of 18
1/31/08 at 11:15am
In principle I agree with all your points, but like other mentioned, I usually turn on DD PLIIx for my 7.1 speaker setup, so regardless of the source audio encoding, they all got processed/matrix into 7.1.
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post #18 of 18
1/31/08 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

That old "catalog" titles that have lossless tracks only contain a remix????
Examples
-Halloween pcm track is the remixed 5.1 track from the 1999 Limited Edition.
I feel it should be a Lossless mono track. Anchor Bay gave us the mono track but not in PCM.

-Robocop 5.1 DTS HD MA, while this film took the oscar for best sound design the track should be 4.0. fox did do right and include the original mix but not in High Resoloution.

-Blade Runner, I have no problem with the new cut being in 5.1 Dolby Tru HD, but the 1992 Director's should have a lossles Stereo Mix.

I love 5.1, and love a remix but for completion and purist rationale I feel that the original mixes should be given side by side.

Yes, this has always bothered me.
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