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post #31 of 333
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Originally Posted by Zero HD View Post

-Label HDMI 1 "PC" on the "inputs" tab along the left side of your TV menu
-Go to picture settings and reset them (last option), then use the following settings:

Does changing the input label on Samsung HDTVs change the settings or the properties of the input in some way?
post #32 of 333
Okay, I tried this today and I can confirm that it does not work with the 92D series. After selecting "PC" as the input name, I did not find the Home Theatre PC mode and all calibration settings were still available (color, sharpness, etc). This must work on the newer F models.

The picture looks great with similar settings to the one in the first post so thanks!
post #33 of 333
does this work for my sammy FPT-5084 plasma also?
post #34 of 333
Turning on Home Theater PC mode completely messes up your colors. It turns on DNIe. Look at something that is color full. Turn off all the extra crap that adds things thats not there. Movie mode would be ideal. Then turn on the Home Theater PC mode and turn it back off. Watch your color pattern change to completely different colors when that mode is set to on.
post #35 of 333
I just noticed that Home Theater PC is always on for me but is greyed out. I dont even have to name it.
post #36 of 333
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Fairplay View Post

Does changing the input label on Samsung HDTVs change the settings or the properties of the input in some way?

yes, it expects RGB when named HDMI 1 is named PC, 16-235 otherwise no matter what you feed it.
post #37 of 333
What do you have color temperature set to? Normal or Cool?
post #38 of 333
Thread Starter 
cool gives more vibrant colours but is a little blue, normal is a good choice.

Try the infamous 1499 settings for white balance when using "Normal"
post #39 of 333
I did a quick search, but it's a bit too broad. Do you mind explaining to me what the 1499 settings are?

Thanks in advance.
post #40 of 333
So, when using the PS3, I hear that setting the PS3 to RBG "FULL" as opposed to "LIMITED" will make the PS3 output the 0-255 range... similar to the Xbox 360's "EXPANDED" mode. Does all this stuff apply then to the PS3 as well? I've been struggling with my 4661 and PS3 to get great contrast and maintain black detail, and this might fix it. I'll try tonight I guess.

Is it confirmed that only HDMI1 will allow you to use the Home Theater PC mode? I'm not sure I can get to HDMI1 because a bar from my wall mount is covering it up.
post #41 of 333
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Originally Posted by Kevin4092D View Post

Okay, I tried this today and I can confirm that it does not work with the 92D series. After selecting "PC" as the input name, I did not find the Home Theatre PC mode and all calibration settings were still available (color, sharpness, etc). This must work on the newer F models.

The picture looks great with similar settings to the one in the first post so thanks!

My sammy you have to have hdmi in hdmi one. If you look in the manual it says if you have pc hooked up to the tv you have to be on hdmi 1. Thats just if you using hdmi, if you using vga your tv is messed up
post #42 of 333
guys for the same results that this gives you, simply put the HDMI black level on Normal (this is what PC mode does) for the same shadow detail results. This way you still control your setttings.
post #43 of 333
ok, so I know this thread is about the Xbox and HDMI, but I don't have an elite so I did some testing with my PS3

I officially see no difference between using HDMI1 in PC mode as described in this thread from using HDMI2 with Black Level set to "Normal". If there's a difference, it is miniscule enough that I can't see it. In both cases, I have my PS3 set to RGB "Full" mode which I assume is similar to the Xbox's Expanded setting.

One thing that was really weird on my PS3, is when starting a game, or a blu-ray, the TV would kick out of the PC mode, and PC Home Theater would be grayed out. I could access it on the XMB, playing demos, or playing videos off the hard drive, but when the machine was running a disk, it would revert back to normal (non-pc) mode.

Kinda strange I thought.
post #44 of 333
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Originally Posted by TheCableMan View Post

My sammy you have to have hdmi in hdmi one. If you look in the manual it says if you have pc hooked up to the tv you have to be on hdmi 1. Thats just if you using hdmi, if you using vga your tv is messed up

I used HDMI 1 but I have an older model from last year so this method might not work with my set.
post #45 of 333
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by isucamper View Post

ok, so I know this thread is about the Xbox and HDMI, but I don't have an elite so I did some testing with my PS3

I officially see no difference between using HDMI1 in PC mode as described in this thread from using HDMI2 with Black Level set to "Normal". If there's a difference, it is miniscule enough that I can't see it. In both cases, I have my PS3 set to RGB "Full" mode which I assume is similar to the Xbox's Expanded setting.

One thing that was really weird on my PS3, is when starting a game, or a blu-ray, the TV would kick out of the PC mode, and PC Home Theater would be grayed out. I could access it on the XMB, playing demos, or playing videos off the hard drive, but when the machine was running a disk, it would revert back to normal (non-pc) mode.

Kinda strange I thought.

The PS3 has no problems switching between RGB and 16-235 for Blu-Ray. The Xbox/TV is the problem. My theory is that Samsung and Microsoft worked together on the "game mode" and because of that partnership, the TV recognizes the 360 as a 360 specifically, and it seems that all combos of "HDMI Black Levels" (Low/Normal) and "360 Reference Levels" (Normal/Expanded) end up in a sort of happy medium between video game black levels, NTSC black levels and HD-DVD black levels, but never tailored to a specific colorspace range so it looks "good enough" for Joe Consumer no matter what he is doing with his 360.

I could be wrong, but I know my 360 games and Dashboard now look just as good as PS3 does using RGB over HDMI, no light haze, no shadow detail loss, looks like a computer monitor does (as it should, 0-255)

Hard to explain, but if you're able, and do enable RGB on your 360 correctly, you'll know.
post #46 of 333
Hi, I've renamed HDMI to PC from the drop-down menu, reset my settings and powered on and off, but Home Theatre PC remained greyed out and set to 'off'. I have a LE19R88BDX, any reason this isn't working? Thanks.
post #47 of 333
On my tv, home pc is only available in hdmi 1.
post #48 of 333
OK, below is the PQ problem i am having w/ my 360 and sammy lcd.
will this trick fix the below problem, and if i have my pc connected via VGA can i still connect the xbox via hdmi and use the hometheaterPC mode?

OK, has anyone noticed a checkerboard type effect in the blacks with the add-on.

I have my addon with a newer elite connected via hdmi to my samsung lcd. i can't help but notice some little boxes or like a thick window screen pattern over the blacks and other darker colors. it seems to be the xbox, because i hooked up my old vizio and saw the same problem(just less detail which is to be expected). My hd-dvr and computer show none of the similar distortion. I also tried different hdmi cables and inputs and no change. please help. thanks.
post #49 of 333
Okay, I have a LNS3251, which is a couple years old, so I'm not sure if this applies to me or not. I'm connected through VGA. I see lots of discussion of HDMI, but what specifically do I need to do to enable this broader spectrum (if anything)?
post #50 of 333
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Originally Posted by ilivas View Post

I did a quick search, but it's a bit too broad. Do you mind explaining to me what the 1499 settings are?

Thanks in advance.

+1
post #51 of 333
I did a google search and found it easy here you go-

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1499
post #52 of 333
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Originally Posted by kiddae View Post

Hi, I've renamed HDMI to PC from the drop-down menu, reset my settings and powered on and off, but Home Theatre PC remained greyed out and set to 'off'. I have a LE19R88BDX, any reason this isn't working? Thanks.

Any help with this? Re: HDMI 1, as my TV only has one HDMI port, I presume that is what I am using.
post #53 of 333
Thread Starter 
Is your TV UK? I'm not sure, but if Home Theatre PC mode is greyed out, it is not active even if it says "ON" while greyed out. You need to be using HDMI 1 for sure.
post #54 of 333
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Originally Posted by Frofat View Post

I did a google search and found it easy here you go-

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1499


thanks
post #55 of 333
So, if I want to have both a PC and a 360 connected, what's the best option?

PC via VGA and XBOX 360 via HDMI 1?
PC via HDMI 1 and XBOX 360 via VGA?
PC via HDMI 1 and XBOX 360 via HDMI 2/3?

I'm planning on picking this TV up tonight specifically for a PC / 360 gaming monitor.
post #56 of 333
Does anyone know of any recommended settings w/ expanded for the Sony KDL46S3000?

I'm gaming on on a Samsung LN-S4051D right now - It's a 2006 model and doesn't have the HTPC option; If I can get full RGB on the Bravia, I might have to switch to the bedroom set.

the 4051D does have "Game Mode" which looks nice with the 360 set to standard via HDMI. I tried using expanded and though the black levels improved dramatically, the color became way oversaturated and I lost a ton of shadow detail. I've been playing around with it - turning down color and boosting the brightness. I usually play w/ low or medium "energy saving".

Or I could go VGA; does anyone know if the old 51D models support full RGB via VGA? It does say "PC mode" for VGA and has a few picture options greyed out.
post #57 of 333
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Originally Posted by mrTAPOUT View Post

guys for the same results that this gives you, simply put the HDMI black level on Normal (this is what PC mode does) for the same shadow detail results. This way you still control your setttings.

See the problem is you get banding with HDMI black level on Normal. I tested myself with 2 different patterns and I found it is best to just turn up the brightnes and turn black adjust OFF to compensate. I haven't tried the PC input on my 360 yet but for my PS3 I have Y/Cb/Pb/Pr for BD movies and for games I have RGB det to FULL and HDMI black level at LOW. At 1st it is extremely dark but if you turn up brightness to about 58 and contrast to 83 you get almost NO banding. I wouldnt use RGB for movies at all. Stay with Y/Cb/Pb/Pr.
post #58 of 333
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Originally Posted by Zero HD View Post

The PS3 has no problems switching between RGB and 16-235 for Blu-Ray. The Xbox/TV is the problem. My theory is that Samsung and Microsoft worked together on the "game mode" and because of that partnership, the TV recognizes the 360 as a 360 specifically, and it seems that all combos of "HDMI Black Levels" (Low/Normal) and "360 Reference Levels" (Normal/Expanded) end up in a sort of happy medium between video game black levels, NTSC black levels and HD-DVD black levels, but never tailored to a specific colorspace range so it looks "good enough" for Joe Consumer no matter what he is doing with his 360.

I could be wrong, but I know my 360 games and Dashboard now look just as good as PS3 does using RGB over HDMI, no light haze, no shadow detail loss, looks like a computer monitor does (as it should, 0-255)

Hard to explain, but if you're able, and do enable RGB on your 360 correctly, you'll know.

I want to know if Banding does occur when the 360 is et to PC mode. Has anyone used a banding pattern to determine? Im gonna try it out later on.
post #59 of 333
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Originally Posted by Tybee View Post

Okay, I have a LNS3251, which is a couple years old, so I'm not sure if this applies to me or not. I'm connected through VGA. I see lots of discussion of HDMI, but what specifically do I need to do to enable this broader spectrum (if anything)?

I'm in the same boat. 3251 series, using VGA cable. Anyone want to clarify? Seems like enabling Home Theater PC & Setting the 360's reference level to expanded will give better picture quality?

Does it matter whether it's VGA or HDMI used?
post #60 of 333
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Originally Posted by stevenmh View Post

So, if I want to have both a PC and a 360 connected, what's the best option?

PC via VGA and XBOX 360 via HDMI 1?
PC via HDMI 1 and XBOX 360 via VGA?
PC via HDMI 1 and XBOX 360 via HDMI 2/3?

I'm planning on picking this TV up tonight specifically for a PC / 360 gaming monitor.

Alright, since nobody bothered to answer, I've ordered a manual 2-way HDMI switch from monoprice. HDMI 1 produces a sharper image from my PC than VGA, so I assume it will do the same for the 360, regardless of the color issue.

I've reread the thread and am still confused though. The thread title is talking about a problem specifically between Samsung and 360. Something about Samsung recognizing the 360 and taking middle of the road settings. But if a PC connected via DVI-HDMI *must* use HDMI 1 with the input labelled as PC, so that the TV knows to look for RGB, then how is this specific to the 360? Aren't we really saying that HDMI 1 as PC is the only way that the Samsung will accept RGB, regardless of source? If I want to later add a PS3 with RGB for gaming, wouldn't I also be limited to HDMI 1 as PC, if I'm after the best possible PQ? It sounds like HDMI 2 and 3 are not ideal for any RGB source... unless I'm misreading something here.
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