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post #1261 of 2308
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Originally Posted by CFC View Post

What's the proper procedure to flash the BIOS on the biostar TF8200?
Will it require DOS?

Thanks,
CFC

Put it on the root of a usb flash drive. Turn off the PC and plug in the usb flash drive. During startup, press F12 (at the same time you would press DEL to enter the BIOS) and it will take you to a BIOS update screen.
post #1262 of 2308
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Originally Posted by ajamils View Post

I'm confused...... you couldn't get surround sound (5.1) out of the mobo and still you are highly recommending the board or am I reading something wrong ????

I did get 5.1 sound out of VMC and Arcsoft TMT, which is what I use to play all my media. I just showed that procedure needed to get it. The HDMI chip can easily do the 5.1 (and 7.1 if the media has a 7.1 soundtrack).

It was just odd that I had to set the HDMI Audio to 2 channel in order to get the VMC and TMT to take exclusive control over the sound.

I am going to go back and edit my other post to say I was using a 5.1 soundtrack for testing.
post #1263 of 2308
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Originally Posted by Bahn Yuki View Post

8200 has HA, and it's a geforce board, so it has decent gaming performance.

BTW I updated to the newer BIOS and I've noticed there's a bit more features in BIOS and Hybrid SLI works better. BTW Mass Effect PC is a HUGE leap over the 360 version. I'll do some tests in a couple of weeks, I'm enjoying the ECS board too much.

Yes, it has HA. But does it require certain software to make it work? For example the 8500GT also has HA but to get it to work PowerDVD ultra must be installed. Not for the app but rather for the codec. Without that codec no HA. Since I only view movies through Vista Media Center if it requires other software to view movies in order to get HA that wouldn't work for me.
post #1264 of 2308
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

I did get 5.1 sound out of VMC and Arcsoft TMT, which is what I use to play all my media. I just showed that procedure needed to get it. The HDMI chip can easily do the 5.1 (and 7.1 if the media has a 7.1 soundtrack).

It was just odd that I had to set the HDMI Audio to 2 channel in order to get the VMC and TMT to take exclusive control over the sound.

I am going to go back and edit my other post to say I was using a 5.1 soundtrack for testing.

Pretty sure TMT doesn't have the capability to take exclusive control. If you set Windows to 2-channel, then all you get is 2-channel from TMT. Not as sure about VMC, but pretty confident it's the same.
post #1265 of 2308
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

OK, here is what I tested and my results:

All settings use PLIIx on my AVR, 6.1 speaker setup.

EDIT: I used a 5.1 soundtrack for testing and both a Blue Ray disc and a HD-DVD disc.

Sound
nVidia HDMI audio control settings:
7.1 - no rear sound out of back 3 speakers except during test sounds
7.1 with rear two channels turned off - no rear sound out of back 3 speakers except during test sounds
5.1 - no rear sound out of back 3 speakers, back 2 get test sounds
2 - 2 speaker sound as expected

VMC
In order to get good sound out of TV and Movies and I had to set nVidia HDMI Audio to 2 channel sound and VMC to 5.1 channel sound. Any other settings caused me to NOT get sound out of rear 3 speakers.

Arcsoft TMT
In order to get good sound out of HD-DVD and Blue Ray and I had to set nVidia HDMI Audio to 2 channel sound and TMT to 5.1 channel sound. If I set TMT to 7.1, I only got sound out of the front 3 and the center rear. All other settings gave me only the front 3 speakers.

Thanks for all the reports. I am really happy with the Biostar board as well.

With regards to your audio setup, I wonder if the reason that you don't get sound from the rears when you have 5.1 selected and PLIIx enabled is because you are already getting full channel sound. Thus, the receiver is not able to apply PLIIx. That is the situation I am getting, my receiver won't even enable PLIIx because it is already getting 7.1 channel sound.

I'm not familiar with your receiver, but you might want to compare the results you get with PLIIx vs results when you have the receiver to output the channels exactly as they are input. Also, can you check the inputs to your receiver? Because if you have PLIIx enabled, and the receiver gets 2 channel sound, then it should easily put out 5.1, but it is matrixing that 5.1 from 2 channel, versus getting the full bandwitdh on each channel.

I could be off base with this stuff, but hopefully some others will chime in and either agree or say I am way off base.

Glad the BIOS upgrade went well for you.
post #1266 of 2308
Has anybody been able to run ECS GF8200A perfectly (without suttering or audio issues) ? If so, what bios and driver version did you use ?
post #1267 of 2308
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Originally Posted by ajamils View Post

Has anybody been able to run ECS GF8200A perfectly (without suttering or audio issues) ? If so, what bios and driver version did you use ?

I am still testing some little things but was dealt a setback when my DLP bulb went out on me yesterday. Here is my status with the ECS GF8200A:
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Originally Posted by Oildalemonkey View Post

I finally have everything working on the ECS board with TMT using my 'old' Athlon X2 5600+ and the frame buffer set to 256 in the bios. Physical Blu-ray discs (VC1 and MPEG4) seem to play fine, but playing BD and HD DVD files from the server still seem to be problematic (stutter), so I'm still testing that portion...

Vista 32-bit; ECS Bios version 08/04/17; nForce 18.11 driver (and whatever version HDMI driver that installs with it); GeForce 175.16 drivers; AnyDVD HD and CoreAVC are also installed.

It might not make a difference, but I also have an 8500GT installed and Hybrid SLI Boost enabled.
post #1268 of 2308
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Originally Posted by Oildalemonkey View Post

I am still testing some little things but was dealt a setback when my DLP bulb went out on me yesterday. Here is my status with the ECS GF8200A:

ahhhh...so I guess, I'll wait for your conclusion.
post #1269 of 2308
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Originally Posted by ajamils View Post

Has anybody been able to run ECS GF8200A perfectly (without suttering or audio issues) ? If so, what bios and driver version did you use ?

I too have everything working with no stuttering issues. Here is my set up.

GF8200A
-2008.5.27 BIOS (VGA temp got noticeably hotter after the update - 76C)
X2 5200
3GB DDR2 667
Vista Ultimate 32
NVIDIA Drivers:
HDMI Audio 1.0.0.16
HDMI Video 175.16
Playback S/W: TMT (PowerDVD still won't do 1080)

It took some serious tinkering to get the drivers to work properly. After every reboot, my audio driver would disable itself. Well, I wiped my drive and reinstalled Vista last night. I then went into the control panel and updated the driver by telling it to search specific locations (i.e. the folder I downloaded that had the driver) instead of running the setup.exe that came with the driver. This solved my reboot issues. I can now restart as much as I want to and still have sound!

Since I reloaded windows, I went ahead and created an account with FULL administrator privileges too, that way I don't see the annoying UAC pop ups, but everything runs like it should.
post #1270 of 2308
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

Pretty sure TMT doesn't have the capability to take exclusive control. If you set Windows to 2-channel, then all you get is 2-channel from TMT. Not as sure about VMC, but pretty confident it's the same.

All I know is I have the nVidia panel set to 2 channel, VMC set to 5.1 and TMT set to 5.1 and I get 6 LCPM lights on my Denon. I then use PLIIx and get sound out of all 7 of my speakers.

I will double check tonight to make sure I am not blowing smoke about the settings.
post #1271 of 2308
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Originally Posted by cghebert View Post

Thanks for all the reports. I am really happy with the Biostar board as well.

With regards to your audio setup, I wonder if the reason that you don't get sound from the rears when you have 5.1 selected and PLIIx enabled is because you are already getting full channel sound. Thus, the receiver is not able to apply PLIIx. That is the situation I am getting, my receiver won't even enable PLIIx because it is already getting 7.1 channel sound.

I'm not familiar with your receiver, but you might want to compare the results you get with PLIIx vs results when you have the receiver to output the channels exactly as they are input. Also, can you check the inputs to your receiver? Because if you have PLIIx enabled, and the receiver gets 2 channel sound, then it should easily put out 5.1, but it is matrixing that 5.1 from 2 channel, versus getting the full bandwitdh on each channel.

I could be off base with this stuff, but hopefully some others will chime in and either agree or say I am way off base.

Glad the BIOS upgrade went well for you.

I think you are right, because the output lights on the Denon change frome having 7 channels to sometimes 6, sometimes other things.

I suppose I do not understand how PLIIx works. Maybe I will switch to Neo-6 since I have a 6.1 system.
post #1272 of 2308
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Originally Posted by jeff_c View Post

I too have everything working with no stuttering issues. Here is my set up.

GF8200A
-2008.5.27 BIOS (VGA temp got noticeably hotter after the update - 76C)
X2 5200
3GB DDR2 667
Vista Ultimate 32
NVIDIA Drivers:
HDMI Audio 1.0.0.16
HDMI Video 175.16
Playback S/W: TMT (PowerDVD still won't do 1080)

It took some serious tinkering to get the drivers to work properly. After every reboot, my audio driver would disable itself. Well, I wiped my drive and reinstalled Vista last night. I then went into the control panel and updated the driver by telling it to search specific locations (i.e. the folder I downloaded that had the driver) instead of running the setup.exe that came with the driver. This solved my reboot issues. I can now restart as much as I want to and still have sound!

Since I reloaded windows, I went ahead and created an account with FULL administrator privileges too, that way I don't see the annoying UAC pop ups, but everything runs like it should.

So you are still not able to get 1080p ?? Is it on Blu-rays ? Having tried playing any mkv files (720 or 1080p) ?
post #1273 of 2308
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

All I know is I have the nVidia panel set to 2 channel, VMC set to 5.1 and TMT set to 5.1 and I get 6 LCPM lights on my Denon. I then use PLIIx and get sound out of all 7 of my speakers.

I will double check tonight to make sure I am not blowing smoke about the settings.

PLIIx would matrix 2 channels to 7 also.

If you have Windows set to 2-channels, then you should only be sending 2 channels to the AVR. If you have Windows set to 5.1 (Control Panel/Sound), then the nVidia applet might not make any difference.

Unless you see the incoming channels on the Denon change, then you're likely just fixed at whatever Windows is configured for.

Try your current settings, and play an MP3 with Windows Media Player or something, and see if it drops to 2-channels on the Denon. My guess is it will stay at whatever you have Windows set to.
post #1274 of 2308
are there any 8200 microatx boards with firewire and spdif?

Im building a new HTPC and was going to go 780G but with the successes Im seeing here I may go with the 8200 solution, I currently only use spdif for audio but would like to be future proof in case I get a better AVR later. A quick check of the egg showed no boards with firewire (which I need to control my stb) and spdif.

Does such an animal exist currently? If not and since I dont need hdmi audio right away I may be better off with 780g.
post #1275 of 2308
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by risk1994 View Post

are there any 8200 microatx boards with firewire and spdif?

Im building a new HTPC and was going to go 780G but with the successes Im seeing here I may go with the 8200 solution, I currently only use spdif for audio but would like to be future proof in case I get a better AVR later. A quick check of the egg showed no boards with firewire (which I need to control my stb) and spdif.

Does such an animal exist currently? If not and since I dont need hdmi audio right away I may be better off with 780g.

abit A-N78HD has firewire. S/PDIF is an internal header only. But this is not a problem (if you mean coaxial S/PDIF), see this post.
post #1276 of 2308
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

PLIIx would matrix 2 channels to 7 also.

If you have Windows set to 2-channels, then you should only be sending 2 channels to the AVR. If you have Windows set to 5.1 (Control Panel/Sound), then the nVidia applet might not make any difference.

Unless you see the incoming channels on the Denon change, then you're likely just fixed at whatever Windows is configured for.

Try your current settings, and play an MP3 with Windows Media Player or something, and see if it drops to 2-channels on the Denon. My guess is it will stay at whatever you have Windows set to.

Sorry, was not clear, my bad.

I get 6 LCPM incoming lights and also 6 LCPM outgoing lights. The Denon has lights for source and lights for what speakers to which it is currently sending sound.

When I played a DVD, I got 2 (or maybe 3, cannot remember) incoming channels when the menu was shown, then 6 channels when the movie was shown.

By Windows, what do you mean? Are you talking about VMC or the sound control area found in the Control Panel of Vista?

EDIT: I will still double check what I set and where I have it set. I changed so much I could be remembering wrong.
post #1277 of 2308
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Originally Posted by ajamils View Post

So you are still not able to get 1080p ?? Is it on Blu-rays ? Having tried playing any mkv files (720 or 1080p) ?

Well, I only have a 1080i system, so I've never done 1080p. TMT will play Blu-ray and HDDVD at 1080i, PowerDVD will only play them @ 720p (I am still having the incompatible video driver issue).

I have no 1080 MKV files so I can't test that out.

As far as sound goes, with the x.16 HDMI audio driver I have the options "Stereo - 5.1 - 7.1" in the configuration tab. I have it set to 5.1 going to my JVC RX-702 AVR and am getting audio from all speakers. All signal lights light up when watching HD movies with audio being decoded by the software. When watching a DVD rip through VMC the appropriate Codec is displayed on my AVR with the signals being lit up and sometimes a "virtual rear center" on DTS-ES rips.

I am very happy with everything right now. If I could only configure the MyMovies program to work with TMT instead of PowerDVD, I would be one happy camper! I would have seamless DVD library integration, and HD-1080 playback all in one program. I guess it is just a few button presses to get form MyMovies to the ArcSoft option on the VMC home screen though.
post #1278 of 2308
Hi everyone,

I was considering getting a PS3 for Bluray playback, but recently I've started thinking about building a HTPC instead, 'cause it just seems like a lot more fun!

So, here's my question: Will basing a HTPC on a GeForce 8200 mobo allow me to output the new HD sound formats (Dolby Digital+, Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD-MA) over HDMI? And I mean in full resolution and bit depth, not downsampled or dithered to 48/16.

What combination of hardware/software would be required to achieve this?

Thanks!
post #1279 of 2308
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Originally Posted by mtsag View Post

Hi everyone,

I was considering getting a PS3 for Bluray playback, but recently I've started thinking about building a HTPC instead, 'cause it just seems like a lot more fun!

So, here's my question: Will basing a HTPC on a GeForce 8200 mobo allow me to output the new HD sound formats (Dolby Digital+, Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD-MA) over HDMI? And I mean in full resolution and bit depth, not downsampled or dithered to 48/16.

What combination of hardware/software would be required to achieve this?

Thanks!

According to specs, you should be able to able to get the latest uncompressed audio via 8200 mobo but no one has been able make it work 100%. If you are considering HTPC just for Blu-ray...... my personal opinion is that you are better off with Ps3.
post #1280 of 2308
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Originally Posted by mtsag View Post

Hi everyone,

I was considering getting a PS3 for Bluray playback, but recently I've started thinking about building a HTPC instead, 'cause it just seems like a lot more fun!

So, here's my question: Will basing a HTPC on a GeForce 8200 mobo allow me to output the new HD sound formats (Dolby Digital+, Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD-MA) over HDMI? And I mean in full resolution and bit depth, not downsampled or dithered to 48/16.

What combination of hardware/software would be required to achieve this?

Thanks!

Depends on what your definition of "FUN" is.

For the current state of things on the 8200, see this post.

As far as the downsampling is concerned, that is an issue with the software player and has nothing to do with the 8200 vs any other motherboard. AFAIK, the only way to be sure you are getting the full bit depth, is to convert the audio track to a FLAC file with eac3 to (using AnyDVD to remove the protection) and then play it in something like mplayer classic. This works fine with the 8200 boards.
If someone has more current info on the downsampling issue, please chime in.

If you just want a solution that works out of the box, I would say get the PS3. If you want something that can be more flexible, but will sometimes be a challenge and pain, go for the HTPC. Or, as many have, get both.
post #1281 of 2308
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

abit A-N78HD has firewire. S/PDIF is an internal header only. But this is not a problem (if you mean coaxial S/PDIF), see this post.

Also, if you need optical S/PDIF, both MSI and ASUS have been known to offer brackets to customers for about $10 if you contact their support.
post #1282 of 2308
Got the MSI K9N2GM-FIH today, Top project for the morning. Any installation/sequence advice. Thanks
post #1283 of 2308
Davinleeds, what processor are you pairing with it?
post #1284 of 2308
64/2 4600
post #1285 of 2308
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

OK, here is what I tested and my results:

All settings use PLIIx on my AVR, 6.1 speaker setup.

EDIT: I used a 5.1 soundtrack for testing and both a Blue Ray disc and a HD-DVD disc.

Sound
nVidia HDMI audio control settings:
7.1 - no rear sound out of back 3 speakers except during test sounds
7.1 with rear two channels turned off - no rear sound out of back 3 speakers except during test sounds
5.1 - no rear sound out of back 3 speakers, back 2 get test sounds
2 - 2 speaker sound as expected

First off, here is what I am using:

1.0.0.16 HDMI Audio Driver
PowerDVD 7 (at 720p)
Batman Begins HDDVD - 5.1 TrueHD

---------------------
I did a little bit of testing this way. I only have a 5.1 set up, so I had 5.1 selected in the driver. Problem is, the rear speakers in 5.1 aren't actually "rear" speakers. They are listed as "Side Speakers".

7.1 (All speakers on) - Sound from all 6 speakers. All 6 "signal" lights are lit on my AVR.
7.1 ("Side Pair" off) - Sound from all 6 speakers, with my rears being noticeably louder than the previous 7.1 setting. All signal lights are lit up on my AVR.
5.1 (All speakers selected) - No sound from the rears. All signal lights are lit up on my AVR.
Stereo - Comes as a stereo PCM signal and PLIIx is applied.

So, for those of you that have 5.1 disabled in your sound configuration, this might be why. 5.1 was mislabeled, and since 7.1 you can select not to have the side pair, you can get 5.1 in a round about way.

I think that this "neutering" by removing 5.1 was on purpose since it doesn't work properly. However, when I had the newest driver x.25, I did NOT have 7.1 as an option, only stereo. Of course, I was having serious problems with all my drivers at that time. I have since reinstalled Vista and am having great luck with the drivers right now, so I might try upgrading the driver. But seeing as how everything is working right now, I may not.
post #1286 of 2308
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Originally Posted by jeff_c View Post

First off, here is what I am using:

1.0.0.16 HDMI Audio Driver
PowerDVD 7 (at 720p)
Batman Begins HDDVD - 5.1 TrueHD

---------------------
I did a little bit of testing this way. I only have a 5.1 set up, so I had 5.1 selected in the driver. Problem is, the rear speakers in 5.1 aren't actually "rear" speakers. They are listed as "Side Speakers".

7.1 (All speakers on) - Sound from all 6 speakers. All 6 "signal" lights are lit on my AVR.
7.1 ("Side Pair" off) - Sound from all 6 speakers, with my rears being noticeably louder than the previous 7.1 setting. All signal lights are lit up on my AVR.
5.1 (All speakers selected) - No sound from the rears. All signal lights are lit up on my AVR.
Stereo - Comes as a stereo PCM signal and PLIIx is applied.

So, for those of you that have 5.1 disabled in your sound configuration, this might be why. 5.1 was mislabeled, and since 7.1 you can select not to have the side pair, you can get 5.1 in a round about way.

I think that this "neutering" by removing 5.1 was on purpose since it doesn't work properly. However, when I had the newest driver x.25, I did NOT have 7.1 as an option, only stereo. Of course, I was having serious problems with all my drivers at that time. I have since reinstalled Vista and am having great luck with the drivers right now, so I might try upgrading the driver. But seeing as how everything is working right now, I may not.

So which setting are you going to keep on full-time? 7.1 with sides off?

CFC
post #1287 of 2308
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Originally Posted by jeff_c View Post

I too have everything working with no stuttering issues. Here is my set up.

GF8200A
-2008.5.27 BIOS (VGA temp got noticeably hotter after the update - 76C)
X2 5200
3GB DDR2 667
Vista Ultimate 32
NVIDIA Drivers:
HDMI Audio 1.0.0.16
HDMI Video 175.16
Playback S/W: TMT (PowerDVD still won't do 1080)

It took some serious tinkering to get the drivers to work properly. After every reboot, my audio driver would disable itself. Well, I wiped my drive and reinstalled Vista last night. I then went into the control panel and updated the driver by telling it to search specific locations (i.e. the folder I downloaded that had the driver) instead of running the setup.exe that came with the driver. This solved my reboot issues. I can now restart as much as I want to and still have sound!

Since I reloaded windows, I went ahead and created an account with FULL administrator privileges too, that way I don't see the annoying UAC pop ups, but everything runs like it should.

Even with the latest BIOS, I'm still getting stutters. Although it's not as pronounced as before, it's still occurring. I'ts highly annoying now as my new LCD HDTV only goes up to 1360 x 768 over VGA. In HDMI it's 1080p... I've gotta find a solution ASAP.
post #1288 of 2308
So what motherboards do we have confirmed as working properly for 8-channel audio now?

I think there was a report of the ASUS from Bahn Yuki early in the thread, renthx is using the abit successfully, cybrsage tried out the Biostar and seemed to make it work OK, and jeff_c you're using the ECS right?
post #1289 of 2308
I am house sitting tonight, so I could not verify my settings. I will have to do it tomorrow instead.

New toy, but cannot play.
post #1290 of 2308
Hybrid SLi is quite robust. I just bought a Toshiba 42XV540U and it cannot take higher than 1360 x 768 over VGA. Also "120 hz" mode doesn't work with the VGA either. I was pretty pissed to say the least. Luckily for me I have a DVI to HDMI cable. So here's what I did:

1. Set Hybrid Sli to "Additional Devices" mode.
2. Set resolutions for both mGPU and dGPU.
3. When gaming, set the dGPU to main display.
4. When browsing web set the mGPU to main display.

This will have to do until I can figure out how in the hell I can get HDMI working on this ECS board. It's still stuttering even with latest BIOS.

BTW on my old Olevia VGA > HDMI. On this Toshiba, HDMI absolutely obliterates VGA.
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