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post #1741 of 2308
Current audio via the 8200 is nice but nothing will get you the real audio except the Asus HDAV 1.3, expected this month,along with a PAVP player and speculated to be around $300. Other options, I'm sure will quickly be available. So get your video playback as smooth as possible . I'm using 4600 O/C to 2.7 and FF4/SS still stutters but 99% run fine. I'm waiting for the ASUS and if need be, get the Phenom, which fixes stutter through HT. It's gonna be a flurry of activity when it's available.
It's not yet sure that PAVP software will work on all hdmi enabled hardware.
post #1742 of 2308
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Originally Posted by Davinleeds View Post

Current audio via the 8200 is nice but nothing will get you the real audio except the Asus HDAV 1.3, expected this month,along with a PAVP player and speculated to be around $300.

I guess I should clarify. I only want 5.1 and 7.1 PCM HDMI audio. I don't care about bitstreaming.
post #1743 of 2308
Currently getting 7.1 PCM Multichanel thru hdmi from MSI 8200. 5.1 done correctly is debatable. Windows has alot of influence on output. Only options available are stereo and 7.1 . Khz output is dependant on windows settings, If movie is 48 khz and you have windows at 96, the receiver reads 96. So drivers need alot of work. The ATI card (4850?) and the 8200 board may suffer the same.
post #1744 of 2308
I'm having some overscan issues with my Samsung DLP and my 8200 setup. No custom resolutions seem to work with the 174.74 or 175.16 drivers, I get a blank screen no matter what I try and then it reverts back to what it should be. Does powerstrip work with the 8200 boards?

Well, in the mean time I decided to try the trial of TMT and it broke my vista install somehow. I can't even boot up in safe mode after installing it. Have to reinstall vista again.
post #1745 of 2308
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Originally Posted by inbox4sumit View Post

I am in process of building a htpc. Which one is better choice ASUS M3N78-EMH (Nvidia 8200) or M3N78 PRO (Nvidia 8300) or M3N78-VM (Nvidia 8200)?

The price difference is not much between these boards.

I want to use it primarily to play blu-rays/HD-DVDs. I am planning to use Phenom 9550 and 4GB RAM.

Please help.

get the 8300 chipset
post #1746 of 2308
I'm still having problems playing back DVDs. So yesterday I decided to format and reinstall vista.

I now have vista32 installed
PDVD8 1622U installed (with the HD crack)
AnyDVDHD installed
174.74 drivers

BD and HD are perfect straight away. However I should mention I get sparkles on the screen if the refresh rate is too high. At 24hz its perfect.

I stick in a normal DVD and its all washed out stuttering and tearing accross the screen in about 4 places at once. Totally unwatchable!!

This is connected to a RS-1 projector going through a Denon 2807.
I'm not sure how the 2807 treats HDMI signals. Could this be the cause?

If I run the video out the DVI onto a monitor at 1080 it looks fine! Only though HDMI is it all messed up.

Any ideas??

Oh and a while back I mentioned no problems playing back with cool and quiet running in vista on a 4850e cpu. I was wrong. I get the same stuttering when I change the power setting.
post #1747 of 2308
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Originally Posted by wilsonj View Post

I'm still having problems playing back DVDs. So yesterday I decided to format and reinstall vista.

I now have vista32 installed
PDVD8 1622U installed (with the HD crack)
AnyDVDHD installed
174.74 drivers

BD and HD are perfect straight away. However I should mention I get sparkles on the screen if the refresh rate is too high. At 24hz its perfect.

I stick in a normal DVD and its all washed out stuttering and tearing accross the screen in about 4 places at once. Totally unwatchable!!

This is connected to a RS-1 projector going through a Denon 2807.
I'm not sure how the 2807 treats HDMI signals. Could this be the cause?

If I run the video out the DVI onto a monitor at 1080 it looks fine! Only though HDMI is it all messed up.

Any ideas??

Oh and a while back I mentioned no problems playing back with cool and quiet running in vista on a 4850e cpu. I was wrong. I get the same stuttering when I change the power setting.

I am using an Asus M3N78-EMH HDMI with the latest 0507 BIOS, a 4850e CPU, Vista Ultimate 32bit, PDVD8U 1703B, 175.19 drivers and AnyDVD HD. It is running through an Onkyo 905 to a Samsung F96 (Euro version of the 81 series).

So a similar setup to you, with multi-channel LPCM audio.
I have smooth Blu-Ray playback at 1080p24 and now DVDs play without stuttering at 1080p50.
I saw now, as I was having stuttering problems with some DVDs, but I solved them by turning off de-interlacing in the PowerDVD config. I am still using hardware acceleration, just not for de-interlacing.
This setup appears to have stop stuttering and Cool'n Quiet doesn't seem to introduce any problems
post #1748 of 2308
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Originally Posted by shawnfr View Post

I am using an Asus M3N78-EMH HDMI with the latest 0507 BIOS, a 4850e CPU, Vista Ultimate 32bit, PDVD8U 1703B, 175.19 drivers and AnyDVD HD. It is running through an Onkyo 905 to a Samsung F96 (Euro version of the 81 series).

So a similar setup to you, with multi-channel LPCM audio.
I have smooth Blu-Ray playback at 1080p24 and now DVDs play without stuttering at 1080p50.
I saw now, as I was having stuttering problems with some DVDs, but I solved them by turning off de-interlacing in the PowerDVD config. I am still using hardware acceleration, just not for de-interlacing.
This setup appears to have stop stuttering and Cool'n Quiet doesn't seem to introduce any problems

This is the combo of gear I was thinking to buy (Onkyo 905) though I'm not sure it will drive 5 speakers @ 4 Ohms well enough since my speakers need 200-250W according to other owners (Polk LSI series).

Out of curiosity what are you using to drive PowerDVD? MyMovies? Or are you just manually clicking with a keyboard and mouse to start movies? PowerDVD doesn't work that well with myMovies right now since you get stuck and can't EXIT the app with an MCE remote -those geniuses at Cyberlink didn't bother to make a hotkey for EXIT/QUIT.
post #1749 of 2308
Thanks shawnfr. I went and played around with the refresh rates and turned off deinterlacing in pdvd8. I get smooth playback at 50hz on dvd now, with deinterlacing off also. But I can't get reliable 50hz playback. The screen becomes corrupted and the PJ looses sync. But when it does work it works fine. I tried to run a refresh of 25 but that doesn't help either!

Now DVD stutters around every 1 second. Smooth inbetween the stutters though!! :-(
post #1750 of 2308
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Originally Posted by odditory View Post

Out of curiosity what are you using to drive PowerDVD? MyMovies? Or are you just manually clicking with a keyboard and mouse to start movies? PowerDVD doesn't work that well with myMovies right now since you get stuck and can't EXIT the app with an MCE remote -those geniuses at Cyberlink didn't bother to make a hotkey for EXIT/QUIT.

When you are in PowerDVD, if you press the green button on the MCE remote to return to Media Center, MyMovies automatically closes PowerDVD. So that serves as the "exit" button. At least with PowerDVD 7.
post #1751 of 2308
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Originally Posted by crabnebula View Post

When you are in PowerDVD, if you press the green button on the MCE remote to return to Media Center, MyMovies automatically closes PowerDVD. So that serves as the "exit" button. At least with PowerDVD 7.

I see. Not the case with PowerDVD8 Ultra (latest version) anymore. It just sits there in the background and can interfere when you're playing other videos that you don't want PowerDVD to handle.

Brian is aware of the bug, but it's still annoying how disjointed the current state of (dis)integration is with Vista M.C. and Bluray/HD-DVD playback. The people testing out the next update to Vista media Center (aka "Fiji") are reporting that VMC now is aware of BD file structure, so in "DVD Library" if you click a folder of ripped movie (file folders, not ISO) it will supposedly play it back with the internal Microsoft H.264 decoder and not an external program. It sounds too good to be true. I can't wait to be able to uninstall crappy powerDVD for good one day (once VMC is PAP compliant).
post #1752 of 2308
Hi all,

I just assembled a new computer with the XFX 8200 board and I couldn't get the audio working through HDMI. After I installed the nvidia audio driver the hdmi audio device is displayed as "not plugged in" under sound device.

I tried using the newest hdmi audio driver from nvidia (10.3.00.23) but it doesn't help. If I uninstalled the nvidia audio driver and use the microsoft hdmi audio driver it detects the device fine but there is still no sound outputted from the hdmi.

Anyone encountered the same problem? Any help is appreciated, many thanks!
post #1753 of 2308
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Originally Posted by odditory View Post

This is the combo of gear I was thinking to buy (Onkyo 905) though I'm not sure it will drive 5 speakers @ 4 Ohms well enough since my speakers need 200-250W according to other owners (Polk LSI series).

Out of curiosity what are you using to drive PowerDVD? MyMovies? Or are you just manually clicking with a keyboard and mouse to start movies? PowerDVD doesn't work that well with myMovies right now since you get stuck and can't EXIT the app with an MCE remote -those geniuses at Cyberlink didn't bother to make a hotkey for EXIT/QUIT.

I am happy with the 905, but perhaps my speaker power requirements aren't quite as high as yours

I have PowerDVD set to start and go full screen when you insert a Blu-Ray and with the built in iMon in the case I can then control it from the remote. It is a shame that the Arcsoft TMT demo stuttered with Blu-Ray playback on the 8200, as they have much better VMC integration. I have tried the MyMovies PowerDVD integration and as you say it isn't exactly seamless
post #1754 of 2308
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Originally Posted by odditory View Post

I see. Not the case with PowerDVD8 Ultra (latest version) anymore. It just sits there in the background and can interfere when you're playing other videos that you don't want PowerDVD to handle.

Brian is aware of the bug, but it's still annoying how disjointed the current state of (dis)integration is with Vista M.C. and Bluray/HD-DVD playback. The people testing out the next update to Vista media Center (aka "Fiji") are reporting that VMC now is aware of BD file structure, so in "DVD Library" if you click a folder of ripped movie (file folders, not ISO) it will supposedly play it back with the internal Microsoft H.264 decoder and not an external program. It sounds too good to be true. I can't wait to be able to uninstall crappy powerDVD for good one day (once VMC is PAP compliant).

So you haven't seen the latest news that MS have decided to drop h264 from Fiji and that it will now only be in Windows7 then
post #1755 of 2308
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Originally Posted by shawnfr View Post

So you haven't seen the latest news that MS have decided to drop h264 from Fiji and that it will now only be in Windows7 then

That's just speculation - Microsoft has made no announcements. There is another long thread about that in this forum. They pulled H.264 from the most recent beta, whereas it was present in the April build. However that doesn't mean they won't re-add it in the next build. It's common for developers to remove certain modules to be able to isolate and further test things they're having probs with. There's no reason to panic until a final release version is available. WORST case someone will find a way to hack the April build's H.264 codec back into the final release, don't worry. I also have a report from someone that playback of Bluray via Folder structure (i.e. ripped folders) will be possible natively inside VMC. Things have the potential to turn out really good.
post #1756 of 2308
For those with this mobo(in my case asus M3N78-EMH) and using VMC+My movies+media control ,can give and orientation(configure ffdshow audio) to bitstream DD and DTS??
I´m using FFdshow in order to make media control works but If I send spdif the sounds stops and If I decode the audio I get PCM 96,I would like to bitstream for DD and DTS.
Thanks in advance!!!
post #1757 of 2308
finally got surround sound working over HDMI with DVD's no stutter perfectly smooth.

Now for getting blu ray up and running.
post #1758 of 2308
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Originally Posted by Wo0zy View Post

VMC handles audio in a rather odd way as we've discovered with G35 systems.

From what I can tell the MS audio decoder cannot decode DD and correctly pass it as MLPCM (although it can output via discrete analog hook-ups). If you have windows configured to support more than 2-channels via HDMI it gets very confused and you get the results you've heard. It does exactly the same thing on the Intel systems.

Try configuring the HDMI playback device as 2-channel (stereo) only and ensure DD is ticked under supported formats.

This should mean that all 2-channel sources are passed as 2-channel LPCM and DD will be passed as bitstream (which is what you want anyway).

This configuration works with G35 systems running VMC but obviously you need to manually reconfigure the playback device for 5.1 (or 7.1) when you want to use MLPCM from another application.

Give it a try and let me know if this fix works for 8200 systems as well.

Cheers,

Wo0zy

It´s works with 8200 mobo(asus) too!!!! thanks!!!
but the question now It´s that on my first installation I was able to get bitstream over VMC with 7.1 (unchecking 2 speaker beacuse my HC its 5.1) over audio hdmi settings and 5.1 over vmc speaker settings but when I format C: to make a clean installation I wasn´t able to do it again.
One more question If i use PWDVD8 now can I get MCLPM or I have to change hdmi settings over control panel???
thanks
post #1759 of 2308
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Originally Posted by justerini View Post

It´s works with 8200 mobo(asus) too!!!! thanks!!!
but the question now It´s that on my first installation I was able to get bitstream over VMC with 7.1 (unchecking 2 speaker beacuse my HC its 5.1) over audio hdmi settings and 5.1 over vmc speaker settings but when I format C: to make a clean installation I wasn´t able to do it again.
One more question If i use PWDVD8 now can I get MCLPM or I have to change hdmi settings over control panel???
thanks

Good news. However, it appears that this setting isn't always required for G35 systems either.

I connected a G35 system to an Onkyo SR606, connected to a Sharp 1080p display on Friday and had no problems leaving the HDMI playback device configured as 5.1. However, a client of mine and another G35 user here have fixed the same problem by configuring for 2-channel. The fact that you had it working when configured for >2-channel before the reinstall suggests there's something else going (on perhaps on the VMC side). I thought it might be something to do with certain equipment combinations but if you're still using the same setup it must be something else. More investigation required it appears.

To answer your other question, if you have to leave your system configured for 2-channel then yes, you'll need to manually change the config before you can get MLPCM from PDVD.

Wo0zy
post #1760 of 2308
yes,I´m using the same HC configuration,the only thing I´ve change it´s that first time I used vista Sp1 home premiun and this time I used ultimate with sp1 too,you think its possible to be cause???
I have to install PWdvd8 and try about MLPCM but if I have to change sound settings everytime I want to watch a BR I have to find the solution,more configurations of codecs with VMC,hdmi audio driver(in my case I try .16 and .23) and vista edition will be very usefull.
post #1761 of 2308
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Originally Posted by justerini View Post

yes,I´m using the same HC configuration,the only thing I´ve change it´s that first time I used vista Sp1 home premiun and this time I used ultimate with sp1 too,you think its possible to be cause???
I have to install PWdvd8 and try about MLPCM but if I have to change sound settings everytime I want to watch a BR I have to find the solution,more configurations of codecs with VMC,hdmi audio driver(in my case I try .16 and .23) and vista edition will be very usefull.

Don't think it's a difference between HP and Ultimate. The system my client has (with the problem) is Home Premium as is the system I tested on Friday (without the problem).

While you might find a working config with different codecs, both the client's system and the test system only had the MS decoder and PowerDVD 8 installed. There must be something else.

More tests tomorrow. Will let you know if I find anything.

Wo0zy
post #1762 of 2308
I dont know if its usefull or not but If I open a mkv file with "the problem config"( 7.1 and side speakers unchecked in HDMI audio settings) with double click directly over the file(out of VMC but opening with VMC as default) it´s works great and bitstream the audio If I select spdif in codecs config but the same file over VMC using the same codecs(I even change the registry to use ffdshow and ac3filter) the result it´s no sound, so its not a codec config as you said,something happens/changes opening VMC.
thanks and waiting for you investigations
post #1763 of 2308
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Originally Posted by Wo0zy View Post

Don't think it's a difference between HP and Ultimate. The system my client has (with the problem) is Home Premium as is the system I tested on Friday (without the problem).

Can you check please if it´s the same version of vista media center and same updates??
control panel-system properties
* v6.0.6000.16386 (vista_rtm.061101-2205) - Release
* v6.0.6000.16465 (vista_gdr.070407-1200) - Hotfix KB932818 (April 2007 Cumulative Update)
* v6.0.6000.16484 (vista_gdr.070509-1510) - Hotfix KB935652 (June 2007 Cumulative Update)
Atención, aun que no se ve el código del foro ni los smileys, lo puedes usar.

thaks
post #1764 of 2308
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Originally Posted by shawnfr View Post

So you haven't seen the latest news that MS have decided to drop h264 from Fiji and that it will now only be in Windows7 then

Big thread on it. Suffice it to say it is all rumor until the final product is released. It is a common practice to remove items from a beta test and then add them back in prior to release.
post #1765 of 2308
Anyone have any luck with the 177.66 beta drivers? They now have a video levels option. I know sotti wasn't able to get them to change anything on his board.
post #1766 of 2308
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Originally Posted by stoked View Post

Anyone have any luck with the 177.66 beta drivers? They now have a video levels option. I know sotti wasn't able to get them to change anything on his board.

Runs fine for me as far as I can tell. I'm using a Biostar TF8200 A2+ board.
The only problem I have, is the same as with all the other forceware above 171.xx, my PCI based HD tuner card (DVICO Fusion HDTV5 RT Lite) skips and stutters with the updated drivers. Everything else is stellar.
I get CPU usage less than 10% on 720p and 1080p mkv's with DXVA using the Cyberlink codec. I don't have a Blu-Ray drive at the moment.
The video levels set at 16-235 work for me on an old school RPTV set, using the DVI port. No more crushed blacks.

CFC
post #1767 of 2308
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Originally Posted by stoked View Post

Anyone have any luck with the 177.66 beta drivers? They now have a video levels option. I know sotti wasn't able to get them to change anything on his board.

No luck: PowerDVD (7.3) tells me that the drivers is not compatible and TMT (.119) only shows a black screen when trying to play a bluray. Went back to 175.xx and everything is fine again.

TheMule!
post #1768 of 2308
Hey all. I'm concidering this MoBo upgrade inorder to get multichanel LPCM over HDMi into my Denon AVR2308ci receiver. I was intially looking at the ATI 4850 card as i wanted to offload graphics processing from the CPU but it looks like the ATI card is not compatible with my receiver. What kind of load does the graphics processing, for the HDMI on this MoBo, put on the CPU? Does it somehow offload it as well? I really don't want to upgrade my CPU as well. i just bought this stuff.

Here is my current config:

A/V gear

Samsung HLN4365WX DLP Connected over HDMI - DVI
Denon AVR2308ci (accepts multi chanel PCM over HDMI)

HTPC:

MSI GeForce P6N SLI
Intel E4600
Zalman CNPS-8000CPU Cooler
XFX nVidia GeForce 8600GT 256mb
2 GB Corsair XMS DDR2
Coolmax 450w Power Supply
Western Digital 80GB
Seagate 500GB

Software (will be changing as needed):

Win XP
Nero Essentials 7
Beyond TV
post #1769 of 2308
Has anyone confirmed that the Biostar mATX board sends the audio signal through its DVI interface?

Also, which of these boards is confirmed to work with a Denon AVR?

I'm planning to do an HTPC upgrade, and would like to get Blu-ray playback as well. No need for ripping, just playback from the BD media. I have a Denon AVR and a 5.1 setup.

I currently use VMC and plan to purchase TMT.

I would prefer to use the 4850e processor, but would go for the Phenom 8450 if necessary.

Any advice is welcome - thx,

DE
post #1770 of 2308
I set-up a HTPC using the Gigabyte GA-M78SM-S2H board with a 8450 processor. I'm running XP MCE right now.

I use a PCI DVB card to watch satellite. I have tried everything I can think of to get solid playback and I still get some picture break up.

I'm using SPDIF right now and I've only managed to get DD using MCE. I haven't got anything except stereo output to work in any other application. Not really sure why.

Overall, I wouldn't recommend this board. I've had 4 or 5 BSOD in the last week already. If I try to watch video windowed while doing something else it's shaky at best. Every now and then video playback will completely lockup the whole computer and it does not recover. 2 times I even managed to exit the video app as it was locking up and it still did not recover.

One question. How do I relate the driver version reported by XP to the Nvidia version? For example, Nvidia has a 174.xx version but I don't see that anywhere in the hardware manager when I look through the video card driver info. I'm not at the computer right now so I can't tell you what it reports as a version but I'll check back tonight.

Peter
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