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post #331 of 2308
3/27/08 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by Speqtre View Post

AbMagFab had been waiting for the 8200, but became upset when it didn't release when the first rumors said it was going to. He bought the Asus G35 board, and is very happy with it, but likes to hang out in this thread and others and complain about the 8200/8300 release date.

'Bingo13' stated that some of these boards are already in resellers hands but are waiting for the next driver update to release - listen to what he has to say and what Renethx says too. Obviously, they don't control the release date, but they are more 'in the know' than most.


I got irritated when, after the 4th or 5th promised release of "it's coming next week" passed, it never showed up. It's now over a month later and it's still not here. If I were renethex, I'd stop speaking for people I can't control - let them get a bad rap on their own, why would you want to get sucked down with them?

And these likely won't be released for weeks. Whatever the reason, it's irrelevant if the hardware is out there but the drivers aren't ready. If it's not released, it's not released. You can't buy one.

I bought a G35, and I'm not thrilled with it, but it's getting the job done. I'm hanging out here because I would far prefer to have an 8300, or 8200 if need be. I find the nVidia video drivers to be superior, in my experience, for HD video and HA.

That being said, if the ASUS HDMI sound card comes out any time soon, that will probably be the best solution - get the best HDMI video card you can, pass it through the HDMI sound card, and get everything you want over HDMI.

And I'm sure others will build this type of solution. Which will ultimately kill the 8200, 8300, G35, G45, and any of these other rumored MB's that can't seem to get out into daylight.

Unless they release them SOON.
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post #332 of 2308
3/27/08 at 9:50am
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

That being said, if the ASUS HDMI sound card comes out any time soon, that will probably be the best solution - get the best HDMI video card you can, pass it through the HDMI sound card, and get everything you want over HDMI.

And I'm sure others will build this type of solution. Which will ultimately kill the 8200, 8300, G35, G45, and any of these other rumored MB's that can't seem to get out into daylight.

Unless they release them SOON.

I am tired of waiting also, I plan on getting an ATI IGP board, adding the Asus HDMI soundcard when it comes out, and if needed I can always add a vid card later on as well (though I doubt I will need it).

The Hauppage HD Component device should be a good add on, making a very nice system.
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post #333 of 2308
3/27/08 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

I got irritated when, after the 4th or 5th promised release of "it's coming next week" passed, it never showed up. It's now over a month later and it's still not here. If I were renethex, I'd stop speaking for people I can't control - let them get a bad rap on their own, why would you want to get sucked down with them?

And these likely won't be released for weeks. Whatever the reason, it's irrelevant if the hardware is out there but the drivers aren't ready. If it's not released, it's not released. You can't buy one.

I bought a G35, and I'm not thrilled with it, but it's getting the job done. I'm hanging out here because I would far prefer to have an 8300, or 8200 if need be. I find the nVidia video drivers to be superior, in my experience, for HD video and HA.

That being said, if the ASUS HDMI sound card comes out any time soon, that will probably be the best solution - get the best HDMI video card you can, pass it through the HDMI sound card, and get everything you want over HDMI.

And I'm sure others will build this type of solution. Which will ultimately kill the 8200, 8300, G35, G45, and any of these other rumored MB's that can't seem to get out into daylight.

Unless they release them SOON.

He just posts links to articles, please quit badmouthing one of AVS's HTPC forums biggest contributers. Every day I sign on to here and I see ANOTHER post of your's badmouthing renethx. He doesn't control the HTPC market he is just trying to help others understand it better.
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post #334 of 2308
3/27/08 at 10:12am
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Originally Posted by Smitty2k1 View Post

He just posts links to articles, please quit badmouthing one of AVS's HTPC forums biggest contributers. Every day I sign on to here and I see ANOTHER post of your's badmouthing renethx. He doesn't control the HTPC market he is just trying to help others understand it better.


Every day? I've posted twice about him, and this one was in response to someone else.

I don't even give him a second thought.

Nice exaggeration, though. You should try out for local news reporter.
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post #335 of 2308
3/27/08 at 10:15am
I don't see the big problem with waiting. I've been waiting since Dec for the Penryn quad cores to hit, and although they're available right now, the G45 or the Geforce 8300 still have yet to hit. Sure I could settle for a G35 rig, but I'd rather wait an extra few months than just buy an orphaned board today. Q9450 CPU + ITX board for the G45, or Q9450 + Geforce 8300. I don't have the $$$ to toss around like most on here, so I have to be very picky when it comes to hardware. Although my current rig(e6300@2.8 + 8800GTX) handle all videos tossed at it, I recently rid myself of the PS3 + HD-A2 players. To me one box with a combo drive is the way to go.

PS. If the latest AMD 780i boards did multichannel LPCM over HDMI, I would have bought a new Phenom 9850 + 780i(ATI) in a heartbeat. But I know that's why this thread even exists, for the multichannel PCM. If you DON'T NEED the multichannel PCM via HDMI(780i does it via analogs) your solution is out there right now, and it's pretty damned good to boot!
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post #336 of 2308
3/27/08 at 10:22am
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Originally Posted by Bahn Yuki View Post

I don't see the big problem with waiting. I've been waiting since Dec for the Penryn quad cores to hit, and although they're available right now, the G45 or the Geforce 8300 still have yet to hit. Sure I could settle for a G35 rig, but I'd rather wait an extra few months than just buy an orphaned board today. Q9450 CPU + ITX board for the G45, or Q9450 + Geforce 8300. I don't have the $$$ to toss around like most on here, so I have to be very picky when it comes to hardware. Although my current rig(e6300@2.8 + 8800GTX) handle all videos tossed at it, I recently rid myself of the PS3 + HD-A2 players. To me one box with a combo drive is the way to go.

PS. If the latest AMD 780i boards did multichannel LPCM over HDMI, I would have bought a new Phenom 9850 + 780i(ATI) in a heartbeat. But I know that's why this thread even exists, for the multichannel PCM. If you DON'T NEED the multichannel PCM via HDMI(780i does it via analogs) your solution is out there right now, and it's pretty damned good to boot!

The issue with 8-channel over analog is that most AVR's bypass all the matrixing capabilities and speaker configuration when using analog in. Also, the DAC in the PC's are generally inferior to most AVR's (at least for the people that care about multi-channel audio to begin with).

I used analog for a while, and it was just not good enough, and saddled with the AVR bypass issues. So I'd need to spend $200+ on a better card, and spend a fortune to get my PC to do speaker calibration at the level of my AVR (and then have to keep both updated).

Or, buy something that supports multi-channel PCM over HDMI. The G35 is here (and slightly sketchy, but workable). The 8200/8300 look to be good solutions, but nVidia has done some of their worst pre-marketing/ongoing delays ever, and are burning their initial target market.

You can always wait. But some (like me) have a need *right now* and want a good solution, and don't want to be told to "wait until next week" for months on end.
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post #337 of 2308
3/27/08 at 3:49pm
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Originally Posted by DPlettner View Post

For DTS HD, Dolby TrueHD, and 6/8 channel LPCM:
2. 6/8 channel analog (with decent DACs).

-Dave

What soundcard would you recommend to do this? I want to upgrade my HTPC for blu-ray playback in the next month or so... Thanks!

-Frank
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post #338 of 2308
3/28/08 at 1:02am
Thread Starter 
GeForce driver 174.74 (beta) was released. The name of GeForce 8200/8300 is there. It seems the driver development is on the right track.
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post #339 of 2308
3/28/08 at 11:03am
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=6530&Itemid=1

You all can thank me for this one. I bit the bullet yesterday and bought the AMD 780 mobo because I was tired of waiting for the 8200/8300. Perhaps my living room needs an HTPC?
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post #340 of 2308
3/28/08 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by mry110 View Post

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=6530&Itemid=1

You all can thank me for this one. I bit the bullet yesterday and bought the AMD 780 mobo because I was tired of waiting for the 8200/8300. Perhaps my living room needs an HTPC?

Another vapor-ware announcement? The 8200's are still nowhere to be found (except in fictitious countries like Norway). Just announcing the MB doesn't seem to mean anything.
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post #341 of 2308
3/28/08 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

Another vapor-ware announcement? The 8200's are still nowhere to be found (except in fictitious countries like Norway). Just announcing the MB doesn't seem to mean anything.

I dropped a note to two of my local distributors, so I should know soon.
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post #342 of 2308
3/28/08 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by FACP View Post

What soundcard would you recommend to do this? I want to upgrade my HTPC for blu-ray playback in the next month or so... Thanks!

-Frank

The Auzentech Prelude would be a good choice, but it is a bit pricey.

I don't have a lot of personal experience with analog soundcards, I just read what others have posted. You might want to solicit some opinions in the soundcard threads.

-Dave
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post #343 of 2308
3/28/08 at 2:10pm
http://www.asus.com.tw/products.aspx...82&modelmenu=1 for the Geforce 8200 Micro-ATX

http://www.asus.com.tw/products.aspx...81&modelmenu=1 for the Geforce 8300 ATX

Looks pretty legit. Now how long until the Intel versions hit?
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post #344 of 2308
3/28/08 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by Bahn Yuki View Post

http://www.asus.com.tw/products.aspx...82&modelmenu=1 for the Geforce 8200 Micro-ATX

http://www.asus.com.tw/products.aspx...81&modelmenu=1 for the Geforce 8300 ATX

Looks pretty legit. Now how long until the Intel versions hit?

The problem is you still cannot buy it. Asus has a full sized 780G board you cannot buy yet also.
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post #345 of 2308
3/28/08 at 2:47pm
Hmmm, looking to build a Mediaportal "extender" cheaply since there's no MP extender appliances. Looks like a BE-2300 would be a good fit. I'm curious what the bare minimum would be to decode 1080p mkv's, OTA HDTV. Mobo for ~100bux, cpu for around $100?, $40bux for RAM, cheapo $50 case+psu, so around $300 for an "extender"? 50bux more than I really wanted to spend but that's pretty reasonable.
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post #346 of 2308
3/28/08 at 2:52pm
Not sure if anyone posted this already but there's a prelim comparison benchmark between the 780G and 8300 here:

http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showth...threadid=70465
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post #347 of 2308
3/28/08 at 3:54pm
Bought the GF8200 equipped ASUS M3N78-EMH HDMI a few days ago. Unfortunately I had to return it because of a slight coil buzz problem. However, I managed to measure power consumption, run 3DMark and do some slight overclocking. Wrote a post about it over at SPCR's forum:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums...ic.php?t=47248

Overclocked my X2 4400+ from 2.3GHz to 3.0GHz while undervolting to 1.23V. Ran the board on a 1300MHz HT link and scored ~970 3DMarks in 3DMark06.
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post #348 of 2308
3/28/08 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by Brunnis View Post

Bought the GF8200 equipped ASUS M3N78-EMH HDMI a few days ago. Unfortunately I had to return it because of a slight coil buzz problem. However, I managed to measure power consumption, run 3DMark and do some slight overclocking. Wrote a post about it over at SPCR's forum:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums...ic.php?t=47248

Overclocked my X2 4400+ from 2.3GHz to 3.0GHz while undervolting to 1.23V. Ran the board on a 1300MHz HT link and scored ~970 3DMarks in 3DMark06.


Did you run any HQV tests on it?
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post #349 of 2308
3/28/08 at 4:10pm
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Did you run any HQV tests on it?

No. I believe Anandtech have posted results, though.
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post #350 of 2308
3/28/08 at 4:52pm
We received TEN of these boards in today in our shop.

Here's my initial assessment:

SUCK. Yes, 8 channel out, fine.. but where I can get a LE-1640 to play blueray back using the ATI 780G, a 4400+ stutters on this board

This is a serious negative, IMHO, and it may just be due to driver immaturity at this point.

On the other hand, they come up stable, run stable, and don't crash.. they just don't perform that hot.

I don't know, I was planning these for our local media center installs, we like the 780G, but people all want Nvidia.. but with the way this performs, I'm not really that hot on this product.
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post #351 of 2308
3/28/08 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by Jpebcac View Post

We received TEN of these boards in today in our shop.

Here's my initial assessment:

SUCK. Yes, 8 channel out, fine.. but where I can get a LE-1640 to play blueray back using the ATI 780G, a 4400+ stutters on this board

This is a serious negative, IMHO, and it may just be due to driver immaturity at this point.

On the other hand, they come up stable, run stable, and don't crash.. they just don't perform that hot.

I don't know, I was planning these for our local media center installs, we like the 780G, but people all want Nvidia.. but with the way this performs, I'm not really that hot on this product.


You got the 780G, 8200, or 8300?

And in all cases, a 4400 isn't close to what you'll need, more like 5000, better yet a Phenom.
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post #352 of 2308
3/28/08 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by Jpebcac View Post


SUCK. Yes, 8 channel out, fine.. but where I can get a LE-1640 to play blueray back using the ATI 780G, a 4400+ stutters on this board

That sucks, was hardware acceleration working?
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post #353 of 2308
3/28/08 at 5:21pm
We have the 8200 board.

Here's what I know:

A 780G (ATI Chipset) running on the Asus M3A78-EMH HDMI with a LE-1640 will play blueray without a single stutter.

A Nvidia board (I'm using the M3N78-EMH HDMI) with a 4400+, all drivers installed, stutters like a crazed animal trying to play back the same Blueray disc.

Configurations otherwise identical.

Same HDD, same BD-ROM, same ammount of memory.. on the M3N has a dual core and the other a LE single core.

I'm hoping drivers come along, I'm using the newest drivers on both...

Otherwise, if your in KC, PM me, I'll let you swing by the shop and buy at cost, as the distributor won't take back a special order.
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post #354 of 2308
3/28/08 at 7:38pm
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Originally Posted by Jpebcac View Post

I'm hoping drivers come along, I'm using the newest drivers on both...

There is a blog post on AnandTech.com by Gary Key that mentions that the BIOS and drivers are not yet finished and still have serious issues, so I would not rely on your current experience to assess the board's potential. Unfortunately it looks like working drivers won't be available for another month.
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post #355 of 2308
3/28/08 at 8:29pm
Always good when shipping product comes out.... and drivers for it are a month away.
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post #356 of 2308
3/29/08 at 4:22am
Hi from the fictitious country of Norway!
First, thanks to renethx for doing a great job.

I'm really hoping Geforce 8300 will not require a Phenom cpu for full graphic potential like 780G does. But I assume it's too early to say anything about this? A 45W cpu like the 4850e would be perfect for my setup.
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post #357 of 2308
3/29/08 at 4:22am
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Originally Posted by Jpebcac View Post

Always good when shipping product comes out.... and drivers for it are a month away.

BTW, which drivers did you use, 173.68 or 174.74?

BTW, I hope this is an error but according to the driver release notes the 8200/8300 doesn't support 1080p. Yet it supports 1920x1200 progressive. I can't imagine why a gpu could support higher progressive resolutions and not 1920x1080@60,72,75,85Hz.

1920 x 1080 32 30i
1920 x 1200 32 60 72 75 85
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post #358 of 2308
3/29/08 at 5:08am
We tried 174 (the latest downloadable betas)

In regards to the comment above: hogwash on the "need a 5000 or above".

I have -zero- problems on the 780G (m3a78-EMH HDMI) with a LE-1640 processor running Blueray. None at all. No stutters or glitches in any way, and that to me is about the perfect configuration because with a large heatsink in the right case that can run basically fanless.

I don't pull above 45% CPU usage running "No Country For Old Men" at 1080p using that board put out to a Samsung 56" DLP.

But using a 4400+ on the m3n78 board, I'm over 90% CPU usage, and I stutter like a Stern guest.

Totally not acceptable.
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post #359 of 2308
3/29/08 at 5:54am
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Originally Posted by Jpebcac View Post

We tried 174 (the latest downloadable betas)

In regards to the comment above: hogwash on the "need a 5000 or above".

I have -zero- problems on the 780G (m3a78-EMH HDMI) with a LE-1640 processor running Blueray. None at all. No stutters or glitches in any way, and that to me is about the perfect configuration because with a large heatsink in the right case that can run basically fanless.

I don't pull above 45% CPU usage running "No Country For Old Men" at 1080p using that board put out to a Samsung 56" DLP.

But using a 4400+ on the m3n78 board, I'm over 90% CPU usage, and I stutter like a Stern guest.

Totally not acceptable.

Then buy a 780G, and stop complaining.

5000+ CPU's are cheap, so get over it. You need CPU power for a lot of things nowadays, especially audio codecs and non-HA video (which is likely the problem here anyway). And you haven't even said what HD player you're using, you just keep complaining about cheap CPU's.

If the board works with a 5000+ or Phenom, who cares. Buying a better CPU is solvable and totally acceptable. Having it simply not work because of driver or other hardware issues is not acceptable.

(And every other HD solution out there today seems to require a 5000+/C2D 2.4+ CPU, so this really isn't a big deal as that's kind of the floor CPU nowadays anyway.)
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post #360 of 2308
3/29/08 at 6:44am
Ok, using the LiteOn Blueray, DH-401808C
Power DVD 7, fully updated Ultra

I think you're missing my base point. A 5000+ isn't spendy. Hell, a 5600+ isn't spendy.

What I'm saying is: the 780G seems to be a considerably more established (read: better) chipset for this purpose right now. Disk performance is better, etc.

So, I'm not saying this to complain, what do I care.. they are what they are, and it doesn't impact me directly, I'm not piling them up out of the store and taking them home. I'm just saying: if someone asked me to chose between the two, I'd recommend the 780G, because the performance is not acceptable on the Nvidia right now.
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