GeForce 8200 - 8 Channel LPCM Output Fully Supported!! - Page 4

VKristof: Thanx for great info!

I'm also a bit concerned with the realtek audio chips beeing unable (right?) to adjust delays for different channels (ie. spekaerdistance / delay etc.)

If I get a discrete audio card like one from m-audio with 24/192 khz and analogue outputs would full hd audio be possible?

Allthough I'd prefer to be able to use the onboard audio because I need the two pci slots for tv cards. Or is there audio cards that can be put on pci-express slot?

I can't comment on the realtek audio chip but there are audio cards available with PCIe x1 inrefaces.

I'm sure that you'll find PCIe audio cards threads in this forum.

Keep in mind that PCI slots will eventually go away, just like ISA slots dissapeared ~8 years ago.

Okay - with 8-channel analog output from my PC, it bypasses my AVR's ability to do things like change LFE, and all the speaker calibration. So I need to duplicate that on my PC.

With 8-channel LPCM over HDMI - will it now go through my AVR's pre-pro features? This currently works for every other component I use that is connected via HDMI for video and audio.

Also - is there an Intel-based version of the 8200/8300 MB? I'd rather not buy another CPU for this, and just replace my MB.

nVidia will be making Intel based boards a few months after the AMD ones.

If other LPCM HDMI sources do it, then yes so will the GeForce 8200's output.

A ton of Intel version of the Geforce 8200/8300 chipset is already supported in the latest leaked Forceware 174.20 drivers, just a matter of time to be launched. I wouldn't get any AMD cpus atm, 45nm Penryn is amazing with high performance and low idle/full load power consumption.

AMD is getting spanked now, but they are reacting by aggressive price cutting, and if you don't want to wait 3 months for the intel version to come out, I think it should work fine. Besides, I have some old X2's that are being replaced by Intel systems so I have an extra one around...

Let's just hope this time NVIDIA doesn't gimp these versions of their Intel chipsets. The 7025 and 7050 for Intel were a total joke, they only had single channel memory controllers! And they never made a 7050PV for Intel.

If MCP7A-U boards are available in April, is it really worth the wait? For HTPC general use (no games) ie. playback of movies & music I don't see any real difference between for example the Geforce 8200 and the 8300/8400 graphics onboard GPU's...

I'm smelling AMD 4850e and MCP78 or RS780 motherboard within two weeks for my new rig... I dont care about audio support because I need a discrete soundcard to use as prepro anyway.

Also, comparisons between purevideo HD and AVIVO HD has been done on many occasions and the difference seems to be ATI advantage in more effective hardware acceleration allthough Nvidia gets better reviews in the detail enhancement, upscaling and deinterlacing departments.

The better hardware acceleration in AVIVO HD won't make a difference if you're looking at CPU's in the range of "x264 1080p"-capable ones (2.5-3.0 Ghz dual cores) anyway, or am I wrong here???

I'm getting atleast a AMD Athlon 4850e (2.5 Ghz) anyway...

Now I'm totally confused...

- What's the AMD model numbers versus the Intel model numbers? The MCP vs. the nVidia 8200/8300 is getting really confusing.

- What's the current expected timeframe for the AMD v. Intel MB's?

- Do they all support integrated audio and video over HDMI? I thought there were no significant differences here, but in the chart above, it looks like only one model supports 1080p, the rest only 1080i? That seems like a severe limitation?

Help! I want to buy a new MB with integrated audio (LPCM 7.1) and video (1080p/60) with video hardware acceleration ASAP! What should I be getting/waiting for, and when?
-Mark

Are you saying the 8200/8300 (and the other AMD MB's) won't support 8-channel LPCM over HDMI?

Is nobody else excited/intrigued by the mention of a Purevideo Codec that will include hardware acceleration? That would mean no longer being locked into PowerDVD for decoding, wouldn't it?

He means AMD 780G chipset can't do 8 channel LPCM over HDMI. Which is deliciously ironic since ATI hyped their so called "native HDMI" and built-in integrated audio processing on all R6xx GPUs but they can't even get that implementation right on their cards and motherboards. Only 2 channels? I might as well use SPDIF instead.

Let's hope this new Asus M3N78-EMH HDMI doesn't have all the growing pains the G35 based P5E-VM HDMI has been having. If the price point is less than $100, this board will definitely be 'The One!'

Okay, so next week I should be able to get an 8200. What's the main difference between the 8200 and 8300 (which I thought I read somewhere, but you only list the 8200)?

Oh yeah, and I'm AMD CPU illiterate - what's something equivalent in processing power to a C2D 2.4/2.6? No OC is necessary with the full graphics HA on these MB's I wouldn't think, so a CPU in this range should be more than enough.

I think the 8300 is the 'U' model (versus 'S') with faster graphics core.

I'm not sure it's the equivalent of the C2D 2.4/2.6, but it's a good solid CPU for an HTPC - Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Brisbane 2.6GHz 65W.

Quick questions:
- Will the 8300 be released at the same time as the 8200?

- What's the difference between "Brisbane" and "Windsor" AMD CPU's? (I assume the 8200/8300 will be Socket AM2?)

- What's the difference between, for example, these two CPU's (other than the box color):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103191
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103228
?

Thanks!
-Mark

Those are both Windsor chips. The "Black" edition is supposed to have better overclocking capabilities. It does not come with the fan. The other one comes with a fan. Other than that, they are the same chip.

The Windor chips have 2x1MB L2 cache and have a 90nm die cast. The Brisbane has 2x512KB L2 cache and have a 65nm die cast (uses less power).

They all use the same socket/MB though? Too bad they don't make a low-power 2x1MB L2 chip...

So I guess I want the non-black box (I want a fan and don't really care about OC this machine), and just get the most expensive one I feel like buying, at a minimum the one you list above?

If you're just building an HTPC on the 8200/8300, you will be better off with the Brisbane core, and with the HA on this board, why bother with anything more than 2.6Ghz?

Yup, they use the same socket so yes, you can pretty much just get the best deal you can find. I personally went with a Windsor for the additional L2 cache (although it's probably not a major benefit to me). Power consumption/overclocking were not issues for me.

Will the Phenom fit in the 8200/8300? It looks like it's socket AM2+? And when are the new Phenom's coming out (9550/9650)?

And I can't find a 4850e Athlon anywhere. Can you post a link to newegg or somewhere? Or is this another new CPU from them?

AMD seems way more confusing to me than Intel, but perhaps that's just my lack of using them recently.