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post #3481 of 4576
well I just looked at UPS.com, looks like I read the date wrong won't be in until Friday! I did have a question about the PL66 speakers, I'm doing a 5.2 with the subs in the front, I currently have my surround speakers behind the couch and truthfully I'm a little tired of them 'right in my ear'. I would like to mount them on the sides, and I've read the 90*-110* rule as far as placement, but I'm going to have to go a little further forward (due to a doorway) and hang them up a little higher. I have been trying to read up on bi-pole an di-pole, but not understanding much of it. I know one of them needs to be hung at ear heighth, but they other one does not. Does anyone have any idea what the PL66's are, and if I would be happy with placement at about 6 feet off the ground, and 5-6 feet forward of the couch? Second option would be about 6-7 feet off the ground and directly behind couch, like right behind the couch.
post #3482 of 4576
I have my PL-66s mounted 3 feet above seated ear level..... The PL-66s can work ok if they are a lil in front of the listening position. The speaker has a forward firing 6.5" woofer, a side firing 5"X7" oval passive radiatior and a diagonal firing horn tweeter. Place the surrounds on the side wall with the tweeters firing diagonally back and toward the center, and the passive radiator will fire towards the front of the room. That should sound ok... I have mine mounted like that but I have them placed at a 90 with the listening postion and I love it. I also have the PL-66s on the rear wall for 7.2 as well.
post #3483 of 4576
Anybody who is thinking about buying a PL-89 setup, I'm selling my 7.1 PL-89 setup with a Epik Legend Subwoofer. I live in Buffalo, New York. Please feel free to message me for details. I loved the speakers, but I'm forced to sell them because of school. They're in perfect condition. Purchased in January 2012. Call or Text Mike at 716-880-0149
post #3484 of 4576
I have a question for some help from you guys with the PL-76. I have had a problem with the sound in the 160Hz range. I have replaced one driver so far and I thought it had corrected the problem. Tonight I was watching Iron man 2 and noticed a weird sound again during the scene where they are in the dead box. Sounded really screechy sometimes. After the movie I pulled out the HSU test tones again and found the same bad sounds like bad cabinet resonecnce at the 160Hz range. I'm not running at reference maybe about 15 when I notice this issue. So if anyone can try this with the PL-76 and see if it is a structural problem or something maybe just unique to my pair but I am noticing it on both towers now and they are only a few weeks old with one new driver already.
post #3485 of 4576
You guys are making me nervous with these stories! I'm really thinking I may go the easy route and just raise my speakers up behind the couch another foot and ahalf or so and kind of keep them in the same location otherwise. I will be up in the attic running cables, but my room is a very weird layout, and running them to the side won't be as easy as just keeping them behind the couch. But I definately do want to get them 'right out of my ear'
post #3486 of 4576
I wonder how a PL-28 Center Speaker would compare to a Rocket Bigfoot Center? I paid about $300 more than I would for the PL-28. I am thinking of just getting this for now to see how it performs as the Bigfoot is hard for me to hear, and I have had it for 4 years now, so I have suffered enough. smile.gif . And yes, I do have my receiver set up correctly, an Onkyo 809. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.
post #3487 of 4576
I ended up getting the Denon 1612, two BIC FH-6T towers and an FH6-LCR for my center. I'm going to DIY a cheap sub with some low end response to finish off a 3.1 system that will be great for my apartment. I got all 3 BICs for an incredible deal from Mike over at AcousticSoundDesign so I didn't have to make my budget all that much bigger. I'll probably end up ~$650 after building the sub.

So far, I've been running the BICs with an old (CHEAP) Yamaha HTiB 8" sub. Bass is obviously lacking, but my initial impression is that the speakers sound GREAT for the price. One of the towers initially sounded a bit strange, even muffled, but after using them for a few hours the issue cleared up. I just used the Audyssey MultiEQ, but I'll be doing a test using some test tones as well to make sure the tower is doing good.
post #3488 of 4576
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Originally Posted by Sepen View Post

I wonder how a PL-28 Center Speaker would compare to a Rocket Bigfoot Center? I paid about $300 more than I would for the PL-28. I am thinking of just getting this for now to see how it performs as the Bigfoot is hard for me to hear, and I have had it for 4 years now, so I have suffered enough. smile.gif . And yes, I do have my receiver set up correctly, an Onkyo 809. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.

I'm not a fan of mixing brands of speakers. Heck, I'm not even a fan of mixing different lines of speakers of the same brand.
post #3489 of 4576
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Originally Posted by Sepen View Post

I wonder how a PL-28 Center Speaker would compare to a Rocket Bigfoot Center? I paid about $300 more than I would for the PL-28. I am thinking of just getting this for now to see how it performs as the Bigfoot is hard for me to hear, and I have had it for 4 years now, so I have suffered enough. smile.gif . And yes, I do have my receiver set up correctly, an Onkyo 809. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.

I have had my PL-28 center for almost a year and a half now and still love it! It blends in well with the Klipsch KG 5.5's I have, I switched out my Pl-76 towers as mains and use them as surrounds now. I had to look into the "Bigfoot Rocket" center you have as I have never had the chance to listen to one.

Heres the specs I could find on it:
RSC200

● System: Three-way, four driver direct-radiating system, vented enclosure with rear-firing flared port
● Drivers: Vifa Ring Radiator tweeter, one custom 4" midrange and two custom 6.5" long-throw aluminum cone woofers
● Crossover: 500 Hz and 4.0 kHz, 3rd-order alignment
● Frequency Response: 50 Hz to 20 KHz (� 3 dB)
● Impedance: 4 Ohms nominal
● Efficiency: 91 dB (@ 1 watt / 1 meter)
● Power Rating: 25-150 Watts power handling
● Dimensions: 12" H x 10.5" D x 25" W (305 x 267 x 635 mm)
● Weight: 46 lbs (21 kg); ship weight = 54 lbs
● Price: $599 each


Specs on PL-28

Design: Video-shielded 225-watt 2-way horn center speaker with dual 8" woofers. Flush mount brackets included.
Frequency Response: 30Hz-23kHz
Sensitivity: 98dB @ 1 watt, 1 meter
Drivers: Two high power 8" screen pressed long fiber woofers with heavy duty surrounds, one 6 1/2" mid/high frequency aluminum dome horn with neodymium magnet.
Magnetic Shielding: YES
Gold-Plated Terminals:YES
Recommended Power: 10-225 watts per channel RMS, 500 watts peak power.
Impedance: 8 ohms
Dimensions: 10"H x 25 1/2"W x 6"D
Weight: 25 lbs. Each (11.3 kg.)

If you are using the Onix towers I dont think it will blend in as the PL-28 will have a much differnt effect. I have tried many center channels as I found the PL-28 to have the best clear dialog to suit my taste. I wrote a small review on it on Amazon link: www.amazon.com/BIC-Acoustech-PL-28-Center-Speaker/dp/B001VIPUFU/ref=sr_1_4?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1343390141&sr=1-4 ( my set up has chagged quite a bit since then thou) as the gentelman above my post had a better review as well.

I have the Onkyo 808 as I see you have the 809 so good choice thier wink.gif. Looks as if the Rocket center is 4ohms and has an ffficiency of 91 dB to where the Pl is 8ohm & 98 eff., much easier to run. You could always try it and see what you think... it may be worth a good shot??
post #3490 of 4576
Well, I received my speakers. Spent the last two days running wires, finally put 14 guage in all the way to my fronts (50 feet of wiring, each!) I absolutely LOVE the way they look. They match up great with one of my subs, too bad the other one has a non matching driver or else I might leave them all uncovered! After watching the Incredible Hulk, War of the Worlds, and Corky Ramono today, I have to say it was a great step up. I just finished watching Corky Romano at 1 am, and could hear the audio wonderfully with my receiver only turned 30% of the way up. It was quiet, but it was distinct. That was one of the problems I had had before with my Polk Monitors. When I was cranking Hulk and WOTW earlier it was definately more clear, but I still have some things to improve. Hardwoods and drywall are all that is in that room, I keep telling myself to shell out some money for some dampners/diffusers, we will see what next pay check brings. Overall, after 3 movies, some music, and just looking at them, I would rate them an B+/A- for the speakers overall quality, and an A+ for the value of the speakers. I'll let you know if I regrade! Pictures to follow.
post #3491 of 4576
You had to run 50ft of wire to your front speakers? Where the heck is your receiver located?

How much wire to the surround speakers?
post #3492 of 4576
Up a 10' wall, across a 20' cathedral ceiling, back down a 10' wall, and all while navigatings around a couple of skylights.

post #3493 of 4576
What did you upgrade from?

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Originally Posted by derekhonda View Post

Well, I received my speakers. Spent the last two days running wires, finally put 14 guage in all the way to my fronts (50 feet of wiring, each!) I absolutely LOVE the way they look. They match up great with one of my subs, too bad the other one has a non matching driver or else I might leave them all uncovered! After watching the Incredible Hulk, War of the Worlds, and Corky Ramono today, I have to say it was a great step up. I just finished watching Corky Romano at 1 am, and could hear the audio wonderfully with my receiver only turned 30% of the way up. It was quiet, but it was distinct. That was one of the problems I had had before with my Polk Monitors. When I was cranking Hulk and WOTW earlier it was definately more clear, but I still have some things to improve. Hardwoods and drywall are all that is in that room, I keep telling myself to shell out some money for some dampners/diffusers, we will see what next pay check brings. Overall, after 3 movies, some music, and just looking at them, I would rate them an B+/A- for the speakers overall quality, and an A+ for the value of the speakers. I'll let you know if I regrade! Pictures to follow.
post #3494 of 4576
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Originally Posted by Sepen View Post

What did you upgrade from?

Polk Monitor 50's, 30's, CS1
post #3495 of 4576
FYI.... For those of you that have wives that want to use your speakers and subs as end tables and picture stands: I had an idea to help protect my PL-89s, PL-28, and LFM-1 Pluses. I used a microfiber cloth and used Black Magic - Liquid Wax Car Wax on the tops of those speakers and then a second microfiber cloth to wipe off. All I can say is WOW!!! if you want to remove any minor scratches and get these babies to shine and be silky smooth give it a try. They dust off so much better now and the shine and finish that is left is amazing. I'm actually thinking about doing it to all my speakers and the bottoms also.
post #3496 of 4576
Hey guys, selling my almost brand new BIC acoustech PL-89 7.0 system for $999

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1422564/bic-acoustech-speakers-7-0-pl-89
post #3497 of 4576
How are all the new BIC owners liking/disliking them? I'm starting to go through all my blu rays and I'm hearing things I've never heard before and stuff that I heard before is so much clearer now. I played more music, just to see if it was initial setup. Still don't sound the best for music. The Polk 70's bi-amped in the game room sound great for my listening needs.

I asked earlier and have tried asking others on here. I got offered a Sunfire dual super junior subwoofer in a trade deal. Is this sub good for music and movies? or does it work better for one or the other? I never have had a 8" sub before, just worried that it won't perform to what I'm expecting.
post #3498 of 4576
Mine are great. I agree with your comment about hearing things I never did before with movies I have seen multiple times. The plane crash scene from Flight of The Phoenix is incredible. I play the Blu ray demo disc from the thread in this forum a lot to showcase the sounds. Tons of great stuff on there. Xbox on this system is insane. With the dual subs it sounds like a war zone playing Battlefield 3.
post #3499 of 4576
One day I'll have dual subs, one day. I love my VK series
post #3500 of 4576
Even a single PL-200 sub was better than any others I have had but they were mostly htib's and an Energy system.
post #3501 of 4576
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

How are all the new BIC owners liking/disliking them? I'm starting to go through all my blu rays and I'm hearing things I've never heard before and stuff that I heard before is so much clearer now. I played more music, just to see if it was initial setup. Still don't sound the best for music. The Polk 70's bi-amped in the game room sound great for my listening needs.
I asked earlier and have tried asking others on here. I got offered a Sunfire dual super junior subwoofer in a trade deal. Is this sub good for music and movies? or does it work better for one or the other? I never have had a 8" sub before, just worried that it won't perform to what I'm expecting.
I found crossing the PL-200 lower in the receiver improves music a lot. I think a lot of what makes them "bad" music subs is the FR has a built in shelf from about 55hz - 80hz giving them a one note quality. But once you avoid that they tighten up and are much better for music. My buddy has the Sunfire, and while it is not a bad sub it relies on a few tricks (corner loading and tons of built in eq which eats up its headroom) to make it's super compact design work right. It needs to be in a corner placed with a driver facing each wall...even in its optimal position it's not going to go really low or really loud, but it is pretty tight and is probably better overall for music, but I don't think you'll gain anything in movies over the PL-200s.
post #3502 of 4576
My vk-12 hasn't let me down musically yet. I guess it all depends on what you listen to. I especially like how it sounds during live recordings.
post #3503 of 4576
Im diggin' them. Would buy again, very happy with mine!
post #3504 of 4576
What recievers are you guys using with your BIC setups? What kind of power are you running to each speaker? I'm on my 2nd Onkyo reciever and might just be swapping it with another off Amazon.
post #3505 of 4576
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

What recievers are you guys using with your BIC setups? What kind of power are you running to each speaker? I'm on my 2nd Onkyo reciever and might just be swapping it with another off Amazon.

Which Onkyo AVR are you having problems with? I am running a Onkyo 808 as I have had no problems for the past two years ( ... knock on wood) but since you are having problems with it you may want to see if Amazon can change brands to Dennon??

Bics are a very efficient speaker to run so power should not to much of an issue to be honest.
post #3506 of 4576
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

What recievers are you guys using with your BIC setups? What kind of power are you running to each speaker? I'm on my 2nd Onkyo reciever and might just be swapping it with another off Amazon.
I started running with the TX-SR 606 and am now running the TX-NR609. Both without issues. The 606 had to be exchanged once due to an HDMI board failure but that was a known issue with that model.
post #3507 of 4576
I have a cheap VSX-821. I think I will eventually be upgrading it, but for now it really has no problems. I think it is supposed to put out 120 watss/channel but a bench test on here actually proved more like 80.
post #3508 of 4576
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

What recievers are you guys using with your BIC setups? What kind of power are you running to each speaker? I'm on my 2nd Onkyo reciever and might just be swapping it with another off Amazon.

I'm running a Denon 2310CI with 2 Epik Sentinels. smile.gif
post #3509 of 4576
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Originally Posted by derekhonda View Post

I have a cheap VSX-821. I think I will eventually be upgrading it, but for now it really has no problems. I think it is supposed to put out 120 watss/channel but a bench test on here actually proved more like 80.

Same here.
post #3510 of 4576
I'd like to borrow a PL-200 sub to run some frequency sweeps and post a review similar to some of my others. Does anyone in the KC area have one they would let me borrow for an afternoon?

If someone is willing to ship it to me I'll pay return shipping.

A frequency response capture would only take about 15 minutes tops, so even if somebody was just passing through KC we could do the testing in short order.


I've done multiple reviews on subs, and I'd like to do a comparison between the PL200 and two - four other budget subs around the same pricepoint and let the chips fall where they may.
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