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Originally Posted by JeffreyJonesBSME View Post

Better yet...email them and tell them what you are interested in. Ask for a best price. They usually will give you the best deal they can.

+1

Mike is very fair. If you go onto their website and notice the chat window says they're online, more often than not it is Mike, and just ask him right in the chat session how much he needs for a PL-89 system. He'll tell you right then and there, and give you a short form to fill out. Easy-peasy. Mention you found out about them from the AVS forum (ideally BEFORE you ask for the price...lol)...
Edited by SolSearcher - 12/13/12 at 8:45pm
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I'm thinking of selling my BIC HT-88s and HT-65 if anyone is interested. I just need to find a replacement.

I find them to be too bright. I think they sound great overall.
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Originally Posted by fieroloki View Post

Damn!!!! Wonder what shipping would be to Dallas. How old are they?

Unfortunately, it will have to be a local sale as I don't have the original boxes.
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Ok...it's three days later after my PL-89's arrived. Now I'm no expert, but I have a very good ear for sound, and after having been a musician in a previous life, I'll go as far as to say it is (at a minimum)...at least a partially "educated" ear.

That said...my opinion on these speakers (in combination with my Klipsch center channel and PL-200 sub) is....(wait for it)....wow! Have I heard better? Sure. But I have never heard sound quality at this price point anywhere near as good....ever.

It's really that simple.
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I couldn't have said it better.


Well, maybe I would have said "never" and not "ever".
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Originally Posted by JeffreyJonesBSME View Post

I couldn't have said it better.
Well, maybe I would have said "never" and not "ever".
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I spek with bad engris! lol Point well taken!
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Originally Posted by SolSearcher View Post

Ok...it's three days later after my PL-89's arrived. Now I'm no expert, but I have a very good ear for sound, and after having been a musician in a previous life, I'll go as far as to say it is (at a minimum)...at least a partially "educated" ear.
That said...my opinion on these speakers (in combination with my Klipsch center channel and PL-200 sub) is....(wait for it)....wow! Have I heard better? Sure. But I have never heard sound quality at this price point anywhere near as good....ever.
It's really that simple.

How do you think the mid bass is? I'm debating on selling my complete BIC setup or just putting it in a different room for video games or just use for parties.
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

How do you think the mid bass is? I'm debating on selling my complete BIC setup or just putting it in a different room for video games or just use for parties.

If there was a weakness, perhaps that's it. I've spent some time tweaking the receiver/crossover etc. but I'm still not done yet, however. They certainly seem to do the job though, and again, at the price point there's no way I'm going to complain. Most of any unhappiness I have in the sound, now stems from crappy source files or recordings. FLAC's are excellent (go figure).
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What reciever are you using? or other gear.
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Denon AVR1912 for a receiver, Sony 52" Bravia TV, Klipsh RC 52 Center, and two old Pioneer 6 Ohm speakers for the rear. Only a 5.1 set up. I don't have anywhere to put 2 additional speakers!

I run a lot of movies and audio (FLAC and MP3) via HDMI from my (Winblows) laptop. Have Apple TV as well for my Macbook Air, but Apple TV / Airplay sux schlong!

Pretty basic (read: cheap audio!) set up, so I cannot complain about the small lack. Equally importantly, the WAF is a major part. (She's been tolerating me for 25 yrs or so) She actually asked me about the speakers yesterday... ("Those sound pretty good, who makes them?") Bless her heart...lol
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Originally Posted by SolSearcher View Post

Ok...it's three days later after my PL-89's arrived. Now I'm no expert, but I have a very good ear for sound, and after having been a musician in a previous life, I'll go as far as to say it is (at a minimum)...at least a partially "educated" ear.

That said...my opinion on these speakers (in combination with my Klipsch center channel and PL-200 sub) is....(wait for it)....wow! Have I heard better? Sure. But I have never heard sound quality at this price point anywhere near as good....ever.

It's really that simple.

Glad you're so impressed and happy with your PL-89's. My oh-so-benevolent wife ordered a pair for me as a Christmas present. They arrive tomorrow. Gotta wait to chew open the boxes until the 25th, however. Looking forward to replacing the old Sony SS-MB215's and "retiring" them to the living room upstairs.

How long, on average, do these take to break-in? Anyone know?
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Originally Posted by j_matthews129 View Post

Glad you're so impressed and happy with your PL-89's. My oh-so-benevolent wife ordered a pair for me as a Christmas present. They arrive tomorrow. Gotta wait to chew open the boxes until the 25th, however. Looking forward to replacing the old Sony SS-MB215's and "retiring" them to the living room upstairs.
How long, on average, do these take to break-in? Anyone know?
For most speakers 50hrs would be a thorough break in period.
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Originally Posted by j_matthews129 View Post

Glad you're so impressed and happy with your PL-89's. My oh-so-benevolent wife ordered a pair for me as a Christmas present. They arrive tomorrow. Gotta wait to chew open the boxes until the 25th, however. Looking forward to replacing the old Sony SS-MB215's and "retiring" them to the living room upstairs.
How long, on average, do these take to break-in? Anyone know?

These speakers are ready to go right out of the box.
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Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138 View Post

These speakers are ready to go right out of the box.
If you live further north,(like in Minnesota, as I do) a good low level break in period after the speakers warm up from shipping is a good idea. Before you turn it way up let them run at lower -30 or so for a good 8 hours, maybe just listen to music. After that the materials should have warmed up plenty to give them a good workout.
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Originally Posted by j_matthews129 View Post

Glad you're so impressed and happy with your PL-89's. My oh-so-benevolent wife ordered a pair for me as a Christmas present. They arrive tomorrow. Gotta wait to chew open the boxes until the 25th, however. Looking forward to replacing the old Sony SS-MB215's and "retiring" them to the living room upstairs.
How long, on average, do these take to break-in? Anyone know?
For most speakers 50hrs would be a thorough break in period.

That's about two weeks worth of listening time for us. Most of the time we're using the receiver and HTPC for a few hours a night after I come home from work. Should have them broken in in no time.

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Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138 View Post

These speakers are ready to go right out of the box.
If you live further north,(like in Minnesota, as I do) a good low level break in period after the speakers warm up from shipping is a good idea. Before you turn it way up let them run at lower -30 or so for a good 8 hours, maybe just listen to music. After that the materials should have warmed up plenty to give them a good workout.

I see what you're saying there. Can't hurt. We're in St. Louis and I assume they're coming from Nevada (she bought them from the Acoustic Sound Design web site). So they shouldn't be traveling all that far north. But, you never know. Good advice anyway. Thanks. I'm looking forward to getting them hooked up and re-calibrating the Denon.
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Originally Posted by raistline View Post

If you live further north,(like in Minnesota, as I do) a good low level break in period after the speakers warm up from shipping is a good idea. Before you turn it way up let them run at lower -30 or so for a good 8 hours, maybe just listen to music. After that the materials should have warmed up plenty to give them a good workout.

There's a difference between "warm up" and break in period. No need for break in period for these. If you want to let them "warm up" for 5 mins, by all means, LOL!
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Originally Posted by j_matthews129 View Post

That's about two weeks worth of listening time for us. Most of the time we're using the receiver and HTPC for a few hours a night after I come home from work. Should have them broken in in no time.
I see what you're saying there. Can't hurt. We're in St. Louis and I assume they're coming from Nevada (she bought them from the Acoustic Sound Design web site). So they shouldn't be traveling all that far north. But, you never know. Good advice anyway. Thanks. I'm looking forward to getting them hooked up and re-calibrating the Denon.

Congrats!
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What raistline described is a good idea but is different than "break in". All speakers have a break in period. This is the time that it takes for the speaker to be used to reach its full potential and achieve its normal sound. There are various reasons for this that I dont have an hour to type on a tablet but it is common knowledge. This does not mean that you cannot enjoy them out of the box. Just dont push them hard until about 50 hrs and the sound they produce will change until that period. Sometimes hardly at all and sometimes dramatically.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

What raistline described is a good idea but is different than "break in". All speakers have a break in period. This is the time that it takes for the speaker to be used to reach its full potential and achieve its normal sound. There are various reasons for this that I dont have an hour to type on a tablet but it is common knowledge. This does not mean that you cannot enjoy them out of the box. Just dont push them hard until about 50 hrs and the sound they produce will change until that period. Sometimes hardly at all and sometimes dramatically.

LOL! Like I said, with these you dont need break in. Hook'em up and enjoy!
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Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138 View Post

LOL! Like I said, with these you dont need break in. Hook'em up and enjoy!
Sounds like you either don't understand the concept or don't want to. That's unfortunate.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Sounds like you either don't understand the concept or don't want to. That's unfortunate.

LOL! Well, I've understood the "concept" for 35 years. The truth is, not all speakers need a "break in period." But, by all means, if that makes you and others feel better, there is no harm in doing so. Either way, enjoy!
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Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138 View Post

LOL! Well, I've understood the "concept" for 35 years. The truth is, not all speakers need a "break in period." But, by all means, if that makes you and others feel better, there is no harm in doing so. Either way, enjoy!
LOL! I'm sorry. I had no idea that you had that much experience. How do you determine which speakers need a break in period and which ones don't? I don't want to be giving people the wrong info.
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What is usually being "broken in" is our own ears as they adjust to the nature of the new speakers. The sound coming from those speakers rarely changes from the time they are first used to a year later. It has been shown time and time again, but much like the cable debate, those that want to believe will continue to do so and spread the myth. http://www.audioholics.com/education/loudspeaker-basics/speaker-break-in-fact-or-fiction/speaker-break-in-fact-or-fiction-page-2
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Yes. Thanks. That is the debate as I understand it. I see merit to both sides. A speaker is after all a motor structure. And technically all motors have a break in period. But starkiller has 35 years of experience and claims that only certain speakers need to be broken in. Not all of them or none of them. I am just trying to learn and I hope that he will be kind enough to enlighten me as to how to determine which ones need it and which ones don't. That way I wont waste time breaking in a particular set of speakers when they are not the type that it is necessary for.
Edited by Bond 007 - 12/20/12 at 12:24pm
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Not to put words in his mouth, but as the article in the link showed each driver DOES need an initial burn in because of the mechanics involved...BUT, that is usually done by the driver manufacturer, or failing that, by the speaker manufacturer during the testing process. Also, that burn in should only take seconds, not hours or days. There has never been any credible study that has shown the effect of burn in is any other than our own perception. I'm not sure that makes it any less credible, but it means the burn in will be different for everyone depending on the sound they are used to hearing and their own ability to adapt. So any attempt to quantify a break in period is only accurate for one individual, and cannot be transferred to what another user should expect to experience.
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Hey guys, I'm a new BIC Acoustech PL-89 5.1 system (PL-89, PL-66, PL-28, PL-200) owner. After reading many many reviews and auditioning the a FT-6T 5.1 set, I decided to pick up the PL series instead.

I'm a little confused about something that I'd like clarification. The entire set says that all 8" woofers have butyl rubber surrounds. Upon closer inspection, it seems all of the 8" woofers in my set use cloth surrounds. IIRC, the FT-6T had butyl rubber surrounds in the 6" drivers.

Do you guys have a butyl rubber surround or cloth on your PL-89s?

I'm going to call up the place I purchased this from to find out more.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

LOL! I'm sorry. I had no idea that you had that much experience. How do you determine which speakers need a break in period and which ones don't? I don't want to be giving people the wrong info.

Read the manual or speak with the manufacturer. It really is simple as that.
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Originally Posted by Audiophile2k View Post

What is usually being "broken in" is our own ears as they adjust to the nature of the new speakers. The sound coming from those speakers rarely changes from the time they are first used to a year later. It has been shown time and time again, but much like the cable debate, those that want to believe will continue to do so and spread the myth. http://www.audioholics.com/education/loudspeaker-basics/speaker-break-in-fact-or-fiction/speaker-break-in-fact-or-fiction-page-2

Was just getting ready to post a link to that article. Thanks for doing so. I've had Martin Logan speakers that required a 70hr break in, Energy's that required 50hr break in, and M&K S-150P's, Axiom M60's, and the PL89's that require none. Like I said, these speakers are good to go right out of the box. Ready to be pushed, ready to rock!
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Originally Posted by ekpyr View Post

Hey guys, I'm a new BIC Acoustech PL-89 5.1 system (PL-89, PL-66, PL-28, PL-200) owner. After reading many many reviews and auditioning the a FT-6T 5.1 set, I decided to pick up the PL series instead.
I'm a little confused about something that I'd like clarification. The entire set says that all 8" woofers have butyl rubber surrounds. Upon closer inspection, it seems all of the 8" woofers in my set use cloth surrounds. IIRC, the FT-6T had butyl rubber surrounds in the 6" drivers.
Do you guys have a butyl rubber surround or cloth on your PL-89s?
I'm going to call up the place I purchased this from to find out more.
What did you find out?
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Originally Posted by ekpyr View Post

Hey guys, I'm a new BIC Acoustech PL-89 5.1 system (PL-89, PL-66, PL-28, PL-200) owner. After reading many many reviews and auditioning the a FT-6T 5.1 set, I decided to pick up the PL series instead.

I'm a little confused about something that I'd like clarification. The entire set says that all 8" woofers have butyl rubber surrounds. Upon closer inspection, it seems all of the 8" woofers in my set use cloth surrounds. IIRC, the FT-6T had butyl rubber surrounds in the 6" drivers.

Do you guys have a butyl rubber surround or cloth on your PL-89s?

I'm going to call up the place I purchased this from to find out more.

Mine came in the evening UPS shipment and I checked them to make sure they survived. I, too, noticed the speaker surrounds don't appear to be butyl rubber, but are instead a cloth material. Also, i have to say the eight inch woofers don't look a thing like the ones in the advertised units. Those appear to be some sort of brushed metal. These appear to be paper. Not that paper is a bad material for a woofer, because it isn't. I just don't think the images they're using are as truthful as they ought to be.

Now, as far as sound is concerned, I am quite impressed. They play louder then the old Sony's did, and had to be backed-off a bit in my Denon's setup. They really are a good match for the PL-26 center I have. I watched several dynamic scenes from the 2009 "Star Trek" movie and was impressed with the sound detail and clarity. I also listened to a few tracks of music and, again, wasn't disappointed. I think they may be a bit lacking in mid-range. i do not think they are too bright. I believe I could listen to these for hours without any "fatigue". However, without a dedicated mid-range speaker I guess that's going to happen. Nothing a good sub won't cure, as I understand.

Overall, I suppose I'm satisfied for now. I'd like to know what the deal is with the woofer surrounds though. If I'm paying for what was in the item description, I think it's important that i get what I've paid for.
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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

What did you find out?

The place I purchased the set from said BIC may have made adjustments to their speakers to improve sound quality.

I tried reaching out to BIC, but wasn't able to get a hold of anyone yet. Will try next week.

These speakers are a massive upgrade from the Onkyo THX-S9100 set I had. So far, I enjoy the sound that the set produces _after_ I run Audyssey MultiEQ XT (8 readings) on my Marantz 6006.

Before the equalization, all the speakers seemed to be missing clarity and definition up high. I thought the horn driver would be 'bright' out of the box, but it was quite muted up high. After equalization, there was definition and fidelity in the highs. Audyssey took some of the warmth away from the mid section, but also lifted up the entire top end.

There also seemed to be a void in mid-bass punch. Music that I knew had 'punchy' bass lines seemed to be lacking the punch altogether which equalization did not seem to help. I'm still playing with this one. Audyssey EQ'd the 50-150Hz range down a bit, but this didn't seem to be the cause. The speakers just don't move enough air, but the PL-200 seems to be unable to fill in that void either. Hopefully breaking in the speakers will bring about a little more punch.

Here's what Audyssey applied to my speakers to bring them to 'flat' response:



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