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post #4231 of 4576
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I did a side by side comparison at my home of the fh6lcr and the pl26 and they sounded identical to me.

What about the 26 vs the 28?
post #4232 of 4576
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Originally Posted by Urmomdotcom View Post

What about the 26 vs the 28?
Dont know. Same tweeter but 8" woofer instead of 6.5". I would expect the 28 to go a little lower but thats probably it.
post #4233 of 4576
Three posts that I have cut-and-pasted from another forum that I am on.
POST 1
My BestBuy Yamaha Subwoofer died the other day. I have a mix and match home theater system. I just ordered these the other day. BIC America PL-200 Acoustech Platinum Series Subwoofer and BIC Acoustech PL-28II Center Speaker. We don't have Hi-Fi stores in my town anymore. Found the BIC America stuff after reading some AVS forums and Amazon reviews.
If you would have told me that I would be buying sound equipment unheard back in the 70s, I would have slapped you. Wish me luck.
POST 2
I thought I might give a review of my Chinese internet speakers after a week.
Visual: First off, I must say that I am very happy with the appearance of the outside of the speakers. The piano black surfaces have a mirror-like finish that exudes quality. With the grills on the look is very understated. Which is more of what I am looking for now that I am in my 50s. The center channel has brackets if you want to wall mount it.
Power: Before on my old set-up I would typically have the volume set on 60-as-loud on a 0-75 scale on my 55 watt receiver. Now I find that 45 is a good loud setting. That is quite a change when you consider that I have only replaced the center and sub. The sub has plenty of power for the room it is in (250w RMS BASH amp). I have heard more expensive subs (like my friends monster Klipsch) with better rib cage thump, but they are really out of my price range.
Music: On the long intro on Pink Floyd's Shine On You Crazy Diamond is where these speakers really sound great. The held organ chord's bass and treble swell with power and clarity. I have the Onkyo set to all channel stereo for music. This mixes in the center channel and lifts my Bose's weak mid-range. Brubeck's Take Five suddenly feels remastered. The sax cuts without being harsh like on some horn speakers, and the drum solo seams sharp and fresh. On music the Bose speakers are now the weak link.
Movies: The weak Bose speakers are less of an issue on movies. Now I can hear what the actors are saying with the strong center channel. The sub is great on battle scenes without making everyone sound like James Earl Ray like some subs do. The only negative is that when the sub is set perfect for movies, it is a bit strong for music.
POST 3
I liked the Center Channel so much, I finished my system with a pair of their towers. I got the smaller ones PL-76 because of space issues and the sale price of $300. It is a nice balanced system and very powerful. Thumbs up all the way.
post #4234 of 4576
Has anyone with the PL-89 and PL-28 upgraded the crossover or upgraded to the NEW PL-89II and PL-28II? The new ones are basically just the same speakers just with an improved crossover. Just wondering how the new ones sound compared to the older ones and if the new crossover really makes that much of a difference.
post #4235 of 4576
Have not upgraded from the older model but I did just pick up the 89 II and 28 II. I was considering upgrading the crossover and internal wiring. Internal wiring looks to be something like 22 gauge. Crossover made with super cheap parts, but to be expected at this price point.
post #4236 of 4576
OK going to throw my hat in this ring. My 13 year old BIC sub blew out today (smoke and everything it was glorius) Now I do not fault the speaker. I fault myself. Being an idiot a few nights ago I unplugged to watch some movies late at night without blasting the house. Wait that makes me a nice guy. What makes me an idiot was when I plugged it back in today while everything was powered up. OK Lesson Learned. So now I am shopping around again. I have know all my speakers are going to be upgraded so why not look at options now. OK for starters I am not an audiophile by any means. I know when something sounds off but I don't need 10k of speakers in my house. My HT is kind of a multi purpose room in progress. I have a 125" screen with an Optoma ML500 LED projector. Yes I know there is better but I like the picture I get just fine and I can play video games for hours without worrying if I am going to toast a 300 dollar bulb. The speakers oh lord my speakers.

Brace yourself..........Bose Acoustimass 5. (breathe folks breathe) I use the 4 mini cubes for my sides and rears. It has been my plan to replace them. We have a dedicated room now and they served their purpose when I was an apartment dweller..
For the fronts I have Klipsch Quintent SL speakers. The Sub was a BIC D-1210R. So now for some more info
My Receiver is an Onkyo TX-SR608. I have no plans of replacing it as it works just fine for me.
My HT room is a finished basement room that is 12x29 with 7.5' ceilings. It is a rectangular room with the stairwell at the back of it. So it is a good layout for my theater (usually populated by me and the wife some times my sisters stops over for football or a movie)

OK so here is where I am at. Thinking the PL-200 for a replacement speaker.
I am torn on the rest. I am liking the sounds of the BIC setup getting so many glowing reviews. I had it in my head I was never doing floor speakers again. I loathe wires and furniture sound. I like clean and neat and minimalist (Except the screen) I was leaning towards the HTD Middies for the 4 surround and the HTD flat panels for the front stage. Was going to mount the 3 in a line along the top of the screen pointing down. I know that is not right for ideal sound but its clean and I can handle less than optimal placement. But reading through this whole thread you guys really have me looking at the PL-89II set up with PL-66 for the 4 surrounds.

Then I see the great sale price on the PL-76 I am eyeballing those as well. But I don't buy alot of stuff often and prefer to get something that I will be happy with for the next 15 years. I have had the bose and sub for 13 years now. The fronts not as long they were a WOOT special or something I forget.

So would it be viable to put 3 PL-28II for the front and 4 PL-66 for the surrounds with a PL-200 sub? That would allow me my minimalist soundstage and be a few dollars cheaper. Or do I have to go back to the world of floorstanding beasts and get the PL-89II's. Help me oh wise ones as I am flummoxed. Also does anyone know what a standard % below asking price acousticsoundesign will go?

Thanks
post #4237 of 4576
I like the Qunitet SL. They sound pretty good for what they are. Anyway..
I think you would be fine with 3 PL28s and 4 PL66. One thing though. If your back surrounds are very far back you may want to consider directional speakers instead of diffused. More of the sound will go towards the front of the room. Something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002ISTP8K?psc=1
With the money you save by getting the 28s instead of 89s you can get another subwoofer. You will need 2 in that room for proper bass. One in the front and one in the middle along the wall maybe. That would be money much better spent imo.
When you decide what to get then we can tell you what would be best to offer ASD.
post #4238 of 4576
Now that I think about it. The 28s are about the same price as the PL76. I would get the PL76 in that case unless you just dont have room. You just dont need the extra bass of the 28s especially if you get 2 subs. And you wont need stands if you get the 76s. If you get 3 PL28s they probably should all be horizontal. In fact I dont think they will stay vertical because the ends are not square. Will you be able to manage that.
Also, a guy not long ago got this:
http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/core/view_BigProduct.cfm?pid=1540&sc=27
and Mike threw in another PL200 and a pair of FH65b for next to nothing extra. That would probably be your best bet.
Edited by Bond 007 - 10/13/13 at 8:10pm
post #4239 of 4576
Another option to save more money on the speakers is to get 3 FH6 LCR speakers for the front stage (they can be wall mounted for the look you are going for)...they sound very similar to the 28s when used with a typical crossover and subwoofer. I agree about getting more woofer for that size space. I don't know what your total budget is, but if you can afford to upgrade the sub it would be money well spent.
post #4240 of 4576
Thats a good idea. I had an FH6-LCR and a PL26 at home and did a side by side comparison and they sounded the same to me. I kept the 26 only because it had the gloss top and bottom and that matched my other speakers.
post #4241 of 4576
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Originally Posted by Audiophile2k View Post

Another option to save more money on the speakers is to get 3 FH6 LCR speakers for the front stage (they can be wall mounted for the look you are going for)...they sound very similar to the 28s when used with a typical crossover and subwoofer. I agree about getting more woofer for that size space. I don't know what your total budget is, but if you can afford to upgrade the sub it would be money well spent.

Ok when you say sounds similar. Do you means it's so close I would never know? I do like where you are going on saving money but I do not want to short change myself either. These come with the wall mounts so that makes it even easier. And I can get them for 102 shipped from Amazon ( I do have some giftcards from there so that makes it even cheaper) But not oppesed to getting the whole stup from acoustic if the price is right. I do know Amazon is 0 hassle for any issues and that is kind of nice.

So we are looking at 3 FH6 LCR
4 PL-66 (possibly 2 PL-66 and 2 FH-65B for the very back) Note on this topic. My room is 29 feet long yes, but I do sit exactly halfway back. I have never noticed a big issue with not hearing the tiny Bose cubes back there. So I am looking for a bit more info on that idea. (pros cons)
1 PL-200 (Now you both have mentioned 2 subs to fill the space. I am surprised as the last sub filled it with no issue from the back of the room. It was a down firing sub. Does that matter? Also I tend to shut if off alot, hence the blowing one up, so do I really need to go larger or double?)
last note on the topic of the subwoofer. Everyone has talked about how the PL-89 "setup" I described is punchy enough to run them all as "large" speakers. Am I loosing that ability with this setup you guys are proposing?
Please don't think I am playing dumb. I am not I never fully understood speakers and cones and ohms and all that junk. I just like to hear sound envelop me and take me into the movie.
post #4242 of 4576
When I say "sounds similar" it means that people have stated side by side, when NOT running full range (ie, with a sub crossover 60hz or higher) they have not been able to hear much difference, if any at all. So when using an AVR with bass management, there is no need to spend the extra on large floor standing speakers or speakers that only have an advantage of deeper bass extension. The sub issue is that you have a fairly large room, so need more output to have any sort of bass extension. I'm guessing the reason you didn't notice much of a difference with sub and without is because your current sub didn't have much useful output below what you were already getting from your mains. If the sub was doing its job properly you wouldn't be shutting it off a lot. Another option would be to spend what you would have on dual subs and get a single higher quality sub. Since it sounds like you don't listen anywhere near reference levels, you could probably get by with one sub in the $600 range from PSA, Hsu, SVS, Rythmik, etc. That would be a serious step up from the PL-200 in terms of output and quality.
post #4243 of 4576
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Originally Posted by Audiophile2k View Post

When I say "sounds similar" it means that people have stated side by side, when NOT running full range (ie, with a sub crossover 60hz or higher) they have not been able to hear much difference, if any at all. So when using an AVR with bass management, there is no need to spend the extra on large floor standing speakers or speakers that only have an advantage of deeper bass extension. The sub issue is that you have a fairly large room, so need more output to have any sort of bass extension. I'm guessing the reason you didn't notice much of a difference with sub and without is because your current sub didn't have much useful output below what you were already getting from your mains. If the sub was doing its job properly you wouldn't be shutting it off a lot. Another option would be to spend what you would have on dual subs and get a single higher quality sub. Since it sounds like you don't listen anywhere near reference levels, you could probably get by with one sub in the $600 range from PSA, Hsu, SVS, Rythmik, etc. That would be a serious step up from the PL-200 in terms of output and quality.

The main reason I shut it off was to not disturb my sleeping wife. :-) I noticed when it was off for sure. So do you still think 4 pl-66 or would I be happy with just two for the sides and the bookshelf ones at the rear?

Also do you have a few choice subs I could do some research on?
post #4244 of 4576
How would you guys compare bic speakers to similarly priced klipsch or definitive technology speakers? I just bought a bic sub. So I've joined the family!
post #4245 of 4576
I would go with the cheaper bookshelves for the rear. A lot of people prefer a directional sound on the surround channels (it just comes down to personal preference), plus it will save you some money. There is not enough critical content in the surround channels to spend a whole lot on surround speakers IMO...meaning as long as your front 3 are high quality, almost any decent speaker can fill in surround duty. Of course, others have different opinions on that. I personally run 5 of FH6 and two vintage CV speakers for the rear, and have two Velodyne ULD 15s + two PL200s for the subs...so I'm speaker from my personal experience with the speakers.
post #4246 of 4576
The Bics PL and F horn speakers have a similar efficiency rating and sound to the RF series from Klipsch. The main difference in sound is the Bics are not as "bright" or skewed toward the high end. As far as bang for your buck goes, you'll get a lot more for a lot less with Bic.
post #4247 of 4576
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Originally Posted by Brad Sutliff View Post

How would you guys compare bic speakers to similarly priced klipsch or definitive technology speakers? I just bought a bic sub. So I've joined the family!
Bic and Klipsch would be similar. Def Tech are different.
post #4248 of 4576
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Originally Posted by Darth Octane View Post

The main reason I shut it off was to not disturb my sleeping wife. :-) I noticed when it was off for sure. So do you still think 4 pl-66 or would I be happy with just two for the sides and the bookshelf ones at the rear?

Also do you have a few choice subs I could do some research on?
Sitting halfway back means that the back surrounds are about 15 feet away from you. A lot of the diffused sound from the PL66s will be lost at that distance. Direct radiating speakers are recommended for back surround and I highly suggest it for you. If youre going to get FH6-LCR I would suggest a pair for back surrounds as well. So you could get 5 LCR and 2 PL66.
The idea of 2 subs is not just to be louder. You will get better bass coverage. With just 1 in a room that size you will have areas with good bass and areas with very little to no bass. 2 subs properly placed will help solve that. I highly suggest 2 subs. It may seem like overkill now but you will be very pleased after you get them. You could go with 1 more expensive sub but you would have to get a pretty expensive one to equal 2 PL200. A single $600 sub will not do it. Something more like $1000 sub would be required. If this was for mostly music and you had a bigger budget I might suggest that. A $1000 sub will be a little more accurate therefore better for music. But since this is for movies/gaming that accuracy would be wasted.
Another advantage to 2 subs is that placement is not as critical. In order to get the best of 1 sub you will have to make sure that it is properly placed. That can be a headache and inconvenient depending on the room. If you buy 1 and dont place it properly then you are just wasting your money. With 2 its not as critical. You can probably just place one in front and one either midwall or in the back and be ok.
Edited by Bond 007 - 10/14/13 at 2:17am
post #4249 of 4576
So I have an 11 channel BIC setup in my theater room. I have had it setup for several months and I love them! Everyone that has watched a movie in my room has commented about the sound (positively). I was hesitant to give BIC a try when I started looking for speakers last year but glad I did and glad I listened to the advice of the fellow owners here in this forum. Great sound for little money. cool.gif

My BIC 11 Channel Setup
Center: BIC Acoustech PL-28 sitting in a cavity shelf in the front wall behind my screen
Front L/R: BIC Acoustech PL-89s also sitting in a cavity shelf in the front wall behind my screen / speaker cover that extends down from the screen
Front Wide L/R: BIC America Formula FH6-Ws mounted in wall behind my screen
Front High L/R: BIC America Formula FH6-Ws in a custom box that is sitting on a shelf in the theater columns
Side Surround L/R: BIC Acoustech PL-66s sitting on a shelf in the theater columns
Back Surround L/R: BIC Acoustech PL-66s sitting on a shelf in the theater columns

Now just looking to convince the wife at some point in the near future for a sub upgrade or 2 as I am just using some old subs that I had already that are a decade old. They work and do a decent job but would like more and a little cleaner bass. Looking at the PL-200 which I can pick up for around $280. For the $300 range, anyone recommend something else other than the PL-200? Particularly any owners of the PL-200 that upgraded or PL-200 owners that upgraded away to something else?
post #4250 of 4576
The PL200 is a fine sub in that price range and is probably the most recommended.
post #4251 of 4576
@ $300 I agree the PL-200 is probably your best bet unless you can find Klipsch RW12D subs, they are said to be the best sub that can be had for under $300. Now the next level up would be something like the Rythmik LV12R @ $587 shipped. The LV12R is a big upgrade over the PL-200, and the LV12R has real sub 20hz performance.
post #4252 of 4576
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Originally Posted by flickhtguru View Post

@ $300 I agree the PL-200 is probably your best bet unless you can find Klipsch RW12D subs, they are said to be the best sub that can be had for under $300. Now the next level up would be something like the Rythmik LV12R @ $587 shipped. The LV12R is a big upgrade over the PL-200, and the LV12R has real sub 20hz performance.
In addition to the $500-$600 range I would like to add the SVS PB-1000, the HSU VTF 2, Outlaw LMF-1 Plus, and a few others are also available at this price range. If you can save enough money they upgrade is well worth it when you hit this range.
post #4253 of 4576
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Originally Posted by raistline View Post

In addition to the $500-$600 range I would like to add the SVS PB-1000, the HSU VTF 2, Outlaw LMF-1 Plus, and a few others are also available at this price range. If you can get save the money they upgrade is well worth it when you hit this range.
Unless he buys 2. Then thats a different story. He never did say how big his room is but did mention he might buy 2 subs.
post #4254 of 4576
I love having my speakers all the same (timber matched etc) so I went from my $3K+ 7.1 Aperion speaker set up to a 7.2 BIC set up and LOVE it! The 2 subs are amazing. I have 2 more BICs I'm going to use for 9.2 I just haven't got around to connecting another amp to my Onkyo 818 to then connect the other 2 speakers (and I still have to figure out how i'm going to mount them)
post #4255 of 4576
How is the mid bass performance on the PL-76? I was thinking about getting the Venturi DV64, but the price really isn't all that different anymore. Are the PL-76s better for both music and movies?
post #4256 of 4576
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Originally Posted by psychobrew View Post

Are the PL-76s better for both music and movies?
Yes
post #4257 of 4576
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Yes

How is the mid bass? Will bass guitars sound tight? Will these speakers be lacking in this area for music without a dedicated sub?
Edited by psychobrew - 10/17/13 at 1:55pm
post #4258 of 4576
The bass on my 76es is very nice on Michelle from Rubber Soul Remaster which is my listening test track for good bass. Not lacking at all. When I turn on the sub there are more percussives and power but the 'quality' is about the same. Great sound for a little more money that you could spend on good surround speakers. Now that I have live with the PL-76s for a while, I play all my music in 2.1 stereo.
post #4259 of 4576
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Originally Posted by Mark 1004 View Post

The bass on my 76es is very nice on Michelle from Rubber Soul Remaster which is my listening test track for good bass. Not lacking at all. When I turn on the sub there are more percussives and power but the 'quality' is about the same. Great sound for a little more money that you could spend on good surround speakers. Now that I have live with the PL-76s for a while, I play all my music in 2.1 stereo.

Thanks. I am in an apartment so a sub is definitely out. I want definition but I don't want to rattle the walls. I may add some bass transducers to the couch if I want to feel it.
post #4260 of 4576
You will never get definition without a sub. Having a sub doesn't mean you have to have it turned up all the way. It does have a volume control.

I understand the apartment issue though.
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