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post #1231 of 1786
while you are at it, wire for the garage, porch, any future deck, backyard, etc
post #1232 of 1786
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Originally Posted by onorio56 View Post

while you are at it, wire for the garage, porch, any future deck, backyard, etc

Ha! You said exactly what I was thinking.

Not wiring every single room with Monoprice in-wall speaker wire is a huge regret for me. At the time, the cost was too much using the guys who put Cat6 in every room; had I known my general contractor was able to do this relatively easily, I wouldn't have hesitated. Even if we didn't install the speakers right away, having the wiring there for later would have been a wise move.
post #1233 of 1786
I'm with you re: the wiring. We had 4 zones put in our house along w/ 7.1 for the theatre room... Wish I woulda had them run another couple of zones... esp outside.
post #1234 of 1786
Im trying to decide between the Monoprice 4104 and the Polk RC80i. Most seem to think the Polks are better, but are they worth double the price?
post #1235 of 1786
I have 4881 (center) and 4101s (left and right) as the front end of my basement home theater setup.
The back ends of the speakers reside, and are exposed, in my laundry room. When I play the system at elevated levels, there's considerable sound coming from the laundry room.

Should I build a box around each speaker and fill with insulation?
This question has been asked by others in other forums. But since this is a Monoprice in wall speaker forum, I figured I'd pose it here.

If you can be specific about what type of wood and insulation I should use, that would be great. I'm not super handy.
Thanks.
post #1236 of 1786
Ok guys, I am about to order the remainder of my surrounds for the rear in ceiling. Which speakers are the best for this in the 6 1/2" size, the 4103's or the 6034's.

I'm not sure which to get, these will be paired with the 7604's for the F/R/C channels.

Thanks!
post #1237 of 1786
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Originally Posted by mstrength View Post

Ok guys, I am about to order the remainder of my surrounds for the rear in ceiling. Which speakers are the best for this in the 6 1/2" size, the 4103's or the 6034's.

I'm not sure which to get, these will be paired with the 7604's for the F/R/C channels.

Thanks!

bump, wanting to order today
post #1238 of 1786
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Originally Posted by mstrength View Post

bump, wanting to order today

so it's going to be 7604 L/F/C and two of these? what are you using for the surrounds on the left/right rear?

it's going to depend on what you have for your surrounds on which of these you will get. the 6034s will give an airy/bright sound while the 4103s will give a fuller sound. So if you need more voice as apposed to filler get the 6034s, otherwise round out the system with the 4103s.
post #1239 of 1786
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Originally Posted by outspoken View Post

so it's going to be 7604 L/F/C and two of these? what are you using for the surrounds on the left/right rear?

it's going to depend on what you have for your surrounds on which of these you will get. the 6034s will give an airy/bright sound while the 4103s will give a fuller sound. So if you need more voice as apposed to filler get the 6034s, otherwise round out the system with the 4103s.

These will be for the rear surrounds L/R. It will be a 5.1 setup with a sub. My front 3 channels will be 7604's.

I'm just on the fence of what I should use for rears and your post makes it even tougher. I'm thinking more of a crisp sounding speaker for the rears would be better (from a voice/background noise standpoint) but I'm a noob at what works well together.
post #1240 of 1786
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Originally Posted by mstrength View Post

These will be for the rear surrounds L/R. It will be a 5.1 setup with a sub. My front 3 channels will be 7604's.

I'm just on the fence of what I should use for rears and your post makes it even tougher. I'm thinking more of a crisp sounding speaker for the rears would be better (from a voice/background noise standpoint) but I'm a noob at what works well together.

if it's a 5.1 I think you'll want to get the 4103 set to fill out the sound.
post #1241 of 1786
Anyone have an extra 7604 for sale? I'm still looking, otherwise I'm going to just get the 6317 because I'm tired of waiting.
post #1242 of 1786
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Originally Posted by outspoken View Post

Anyone have an extra 7604 for sale? I'm still looking, otherwise I'm going to just get the 6317 because I'm tired of waiting.

I'm putting mine in today PM me and I'll send you one
post #1243 of 1786
Has anyone used the 7605's for surrounds and backs.? I'm putting mine in tonight with 7604 L/F/C of course
post #1244 of 1786
I was thinking of flipping mine upside down to bring the tweeters closer to ear height. My 110" screen is currently sitting 36" above the floor but I'm going to bring it down to 28" or so. It'll be 25% below eye level instead of 33% but that'll have to do since I'm sitting 17 feet away I don't think it will make much of a different.

I was originally going to put the L and R speakers at the center of the screen which is 29" up from the bottom which would have put the center of the speakers at about 58" but from what I'm reading that appears to be about 20" too high.

Why wouldn't you want the sound to seem like it was coming from the center of the screen? I don't get that logic but it's there wherever I start reading up. So my solution is just to shift the speakers down a foot or so and flip them so the tweeters are at the bottom.

I have a set of floor standing speakers working right now on phantom mode and I must say, I don't mind them at all. I'm going to drop some wire in for a center channel but am not going to put a speaker in just yet (unless I get another 7604 that someone doesn't want).

Anyway, what height for the in-walls are you folks going with and how far to the left and right of the screen are you sticking to? I can get within an inch of the screen but it looks a little odd so I'm going to have them about 3-4" off.
post #1245 of 1786
Is there a big difference betweeen 7604 and 6816? 6816 has higher watts with 8" sub however most people are opting for 7604 for L/C/R. I have read the forum but still not very clear. Thanks for your response.
post #1246 of 1786
Ok, so got the holes cut out and since I have them up against a stud I figured no big deal those little clampy things will just rotate around and attach vertically behind the dry-wall. My 'old work' boxes from home depot have clamps that rotate around and clamp vertically so didn't even both to look at these things.

Nope, no such luck. On the side next to the wall stud I'm either going to have to cut bits of the plastic to allow the clamps to rotate more or I'm going to have to cut off the plastic and just screw them into the wood or find some really long screw that fits through the holes in the speaker (also add some wood to the back of the wall cavity and screw them in that way.

I did try one speaker (without a sub or the other speaker) and it sounded ok. I'm pretty sure I have to adjust my receiver since it was set up for small speakers previously. Think they need more juice. Hopefully 90W per channel will be enough out of the Yamaha 665.
post #1247 of 1786
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Originally Posted by workhurts View Post

Nope, no such luck. On the side next to the wall stud I'm either going to have to cut bits of the plastic to allow the clamps to rotate more or I'm going to have to cut off the plastic and just screw them into the wood or find some really long screw that fits through the holes in the speaker (also add some wood to the back of the wall cavity and screw them in that way.

Can you gently chisel out a recess from the side/front of the stud for the clip to rotate into? You might be able to use a trim hammer and tap a chisel into the wood to cut the grain, then dig some chunks out. Of course, this requires you to keep the sheetrock 100% intact. If it's damaged at all, it becomes pointless to use the clamp.
post #1248 of 1786
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Originally Posted by flight23 View Post

So I feel it is my duty to warn people not to buy these speakers. I fell into the trap created by all the great reviews on this thread, but since I need to buy 13 pairs of in-ceiling speakers for my distributed audio system I decided to buy 4 different pairs of speakers first, then decide between them for the rest.

I bought the following:
Monoprice 8" in-ceiling ($56 shipped)
AudioSource 8" AS8C ($75 shipped)
Phoenix Gold 8" AS8C ($85 shipped)
Polk Audio RC80i 8" ($250 retail, I got lucky and got them for $134 shipped)

I received the Monoprice ones first, and hooked them up to my Denon AVR-2808CI receiver. I tweaked all of the settings to my taste and let the speakers play for 24-48 hours before listening to them. Before getting any of the other speakers I felt like they did a decent, albeit not spectacular job. They have a good soundstage, but the vocals are very muddled compared to all of the other speakers. The bass is a bit flat and doesnt resonate the way I tend to like.

The Phoenix Gold speakers were up next. These were much clearer, but had even less bass. These are definitely what people mean when they refer to speakers as being "bright". Overall I didnt like these very much, but I would probably still prefer them over the Monoprice because of the clarity issue with the Monoprice ones.

The AudioSource speakers were actually very impressive. The match the clarity of the Phoenix Gold speakers but tone down the brightness a bit and add a little bit of punch in the low end. Overall these are definitely the best bang for the buck out of the four.

The Polk RC80i were a clear winner, but they should be considering basically everyone on the web sells them for $250 per pair. The clarity was by far the best, soundstage was better, and they had the most bass.

So, as the saying goes, you get what you pay for. That being said, however, for most people I dont think the difference between the Audiosource and the Polks would be worth $180 extra per pair. At the price I got the Polks ($134/pair) it really makes it a tough call. I decided to get 5 total pairs of the Polks (2 in kitchen, 2 in basement, 1 in master bath) and use Audiosource for the other lesser used areas to save some money.

For surround speakers I think all of them are servicable, but given that the Audiosource speakers are only $20/pair more I dont think there is any reason to consider the Monoprice ones unless you are really strapped for cash.

Id really like to test out more speakers (this is fun), but cant really afford to keep buying random speakers. Other things I considered were the Cambridge Soundworks 6.5" in-ceilings and I looked at every 8" speaker on Amazon and picked the ones that seemed to have the best specs under $150/pair.

Did you try any of them in the wall? I thought they needed the wall to sound good?
post #1249 of 1786
Hi everyone,

I installed a pair of 6816 speakers today. Everything went smoothly until I went to install the wire mesh grills.

The side channels where the grill goes is too tight to allow the grill to seat into it. The top and bottom channels are fine, but the side channels are pinched in. After some experimentation, I found that the sides only pinched in when I tightened the two middle/side wall clamps. I didn't crank down on the wall clamp screws, I just snugged them down.

Does this mean I need to ream the sides of the sheetrock hole out a bit, or do they always pinch when you tighten the middle/side wall clamps in regardless of the side of the hole?
post #1250 of 1786
I am think about ordering all 7604's for LCR and rear surrounds and installing them in the ceiling. The round variant for the ceiling is priced higher for some unknown reason. Anyone know if this is bad idea or is there a another speaker that I should throw in to cover a different frequency range?
post #1251 of 1786
flight23:

I am sort of surprised that the Phoenix Gold and Audiosource speakers sounded so different to you because they are supposedly the same rebadged speaker - Phoenix Gold and Audiosource are the same company.

"The Phoenix Gold speakers were up next. These were much clearer, but had even less bass. These are definitely what people mean when they refer to speakers as being "bright". Overall I didnt like these very much, but I would probably still prefer them over the Monoprice because of the clarity issue with the Monoprice ones.

The AudioSource speakers were actually very impressive. The match the clarity of the Phoenix Gold speakers but tone down the brightness a bit and add a little bit of punch in the low end. Overall these are definitely the best bang for the buck out of the four."
post #1252 of 1786
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Originally Posted by bills2011 View Post

Is there a big difference betweeen 7604 and 6816? 6816 has higher watts with 8" sub however most people are opting for 7604 for L/C/R. I have read the forum but still not very clear. Thanks for your response.

Any response????
Also monoprice has better reviews for 6816 and not so much for 7604 then why people are in favor of 7604?
post #1253 of 1786
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Originally Posted by bills2011 View Post

Any response????
Also monoprice has better reviews for 6816 and not so much for 7604 then why people are in favor of 7604?

I just ordered the 6816 since it sounds like its a better rounded speaker. I'll update the thread once I get them and try them out.
post #1254 of 1786
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Originally Posted by sirfergy View Post

I just ordered the 6816 since it sounds like its a better rounded speaker. I'll update the thread once I get them and try them out.

sirfergy
What are you using these speakers as ...front/side/back?? I will look for your reviews after installation
post #1255 of 1786
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Originally Posted by bills2011 View Post

sirfergy
What are you using these speakers as ...front/side/back?? I will look for your reviews after installation

L/R, I'm trying to reduce the footprint of my audio system. I considered just mounting some speakers but I like the idea of an in-wall system.
post #1256 of 1786
So I decided I'm going with 7604 for a right and left, with a phantom center. The TV is going above the fireplace (not ideal but WAF dictates it). I'm planning on mounting the MP speakers on either side.


The problem I have is there is a large void behind the wall over the fireplace. The wall on the other side of the fireplace is not angled the same way, so there is a large triangular gap in the wall. I'm concerned the space behind the wall is going to affect the bass response of the speakers. Any ideas for providing backing or installing a box without have to ripe open the walls?
post #1257 of 1786
Do the 6816's go with the tweeter on top or on the side? From the instructions/template it looks like it's supposed to be sideways but all the pictures I see online show it being upright.

Also, for the cutout template it has a 3 parts, which part is for cutting it out? Do I pull out the big inner piece and the small piece that goes around that? And for painting, is it just the big inner piece?
post #1258 of 1786
So I got my 7604's for LCR and 7605's for surrounds. The 7604 sounds amazing as a center speaker. The sound is very clear and crisp. I'm very pleased with it. Its a nice up grade from my old sony 200w tower speakers I had and the apparently crappy center speaker that came with them. Picking a good center is important for sure I just figured out...Thanks guys for the help. This thread was very helpful!
post #1259 of 1786
Hello!
After reading this thread I'm thinking of using monoprice instead of polk because of the amazing price.
I have a few questions:

1) I see many people are using the 7604s for LCR. They are only sold in pairs as far as I can tell. Is there a way around this so I end up with 3 instead of 4?

2) Why is it more popular to use a 7604 for the center rather than one of the monoprice designates center speakers (eg. 4881 and 6317)?

3) My rears need to be in ceiling, are people happy with the 7605s for this aplication?

thanks!
post #1260 of 1786
only sold in pairs

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Hello!
After reading this thread I'm thinking of using monoprice instead of polk because of the amazing price.
I have a few questions:

1) I see many people are using the 7604s for LCR. They are only sold in pairs as far as I can tell. Is there a way around this so I end up with 3 instead of 4?

2) Why is it more popular to use a 7604 for the center rather than one of the monoprice designates center speakers (eg. 4881 and 6317)?

3) My rears need to be in ceiling, are people happy with the 7605s for this aplication?

thanks!


These are good questions, why 7604 and not the center from MP, there is a discussion in the forum but would be better others can provide their input.
I am also looking for 3pcs of 7604. Let me know if there is anyway we can split, I am in VA area.

Also how does 6816 sounds for surround and back?
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