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post #1351 of 1652
1/9/12 at 11:54am
Hopefully someone can help me out, I bought the 4101s for my side and rear surrounds, the sides are mounted a little bit too high. Is there any reason I can't turn the speakers upside down so the tweeter is a little closer to ear level? I don't see a problem with it, just looking for a sanity check. Thanks
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post #1352 of 1652
1/9/12 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by e-bear88 View Post

Hopefully someone can help me out, I bought the 4101s for my side and rear surrounds, the sides are mounted a little bit too high. Is there any reason I can't turn the speakers upside down so the tweeter is a little closer to ear level? I don't see a problem with it, just looking for a sanity check. Thanks

Nope no issue with that at all.
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post #1353 of 1652
1/11/12 at 5:25am
I have an extra 7604 up for sale. I'm selling it for $50 (includes shipping).
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post #1354 of 1652
1/11/12 at 7:10am
I got a lot of great info from this thread and bought 7604 for my L/R/C. Thought I would share my thoughts on painting them since it hasn't been discussed much. I experimented with my speakers and grills and by far the best looking results came from painting the flange with wall paint and painting the grills with spray paint that matches the wall paint as close as possible. Because of the perforations the grills will standout some regardless of weather the paint is an exact match or not. Spray paint will give you a much nicer finish without clogging the perforations. Make sure you spray at a low angle from different directions to get all the inside edges of the perforations covered. I also sprayed the flanges to get a good base coat before brushing on the wall paint. This allowed coverage in one coat.
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post #1355 of 1652
1/11/12 at 8:46am
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Originally Posted by mxpx5678 View Post

If you have the room I would recommend a good Center channel that is not in wall. For the rear surrounds I would recommend the 4103. And then yes for the L/R speakers the 6816 or 7604 looks fine. These in wall / ceiling speakers sound good, but not nearly as good as traditional speakers.

Thanks. For now I have gone with the 6816 LR and 7604 center. I haven't bought the surrounds yet to replace my existing. I am leaning towards the 4104 or 4929.
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post #1356 of 1652
1/11/12 at 7:17pm
will there be any real noticeable difference in using Polk rc60i vs the 4103 for rear surrounds in a 5.1 set up? it's $60 difference...only worth spending if it is worth spending on.
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post #1357 of 1652
1/25/12 at 11:23am
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will there be any real noticeable difference in using Polk rc60i vs the 4103 for rear surrounds in a 5.1 set up? it's $60 difference...only worth spending if it is worth spending on.

I would doubt it but can't be sure. I have the 4103's as my rear surrounds and they are performing very nicely and when you consider the price I am amazed at what you get for the $$ from monoprice. Did a side by side with my monoprice in wall center and my polk regular center and the monoprice was actually better sounding to me and better for my hearing impaired wife. Needless to say I am very happy with my 5 monoprice's plus an active 10" polk subwoofer that was also pretty cheap. I am sure audiophiles would be appalled but for us, it really is all we need and gives a great home theater experience.
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post #1358 of 1652
1/28/12 at 8:29am
Ive been researching 8 inch in-wall speakers for too long. i cant make a decision. Here is what Im considering.
1. Monoprice 6816 8inch 3-ways ($100pair)
2. Polk Audio rc85i 8inch 2way(Amazon $150pair)
3. Micca 8inch 2-way(Amazon $80pair)
4. NXG CustomSeries 8inch 2-way(hififorless $80pair)

Is there really much of a difference betweeen any of these? Are 3-ways better? They will be my front mains. I like to listen to my rock music really loud when Im not watching movies. I currently have 6 of the monoprice 4103s and a 4881 as my center. I want to replace the two 4103s that are the front L and R with 8 inch in-walls. I want full range fronts and no, im not considering towers.
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post #1359 of 1652
1/28/12 at 1:53pm
I compared Micca's with Klipsche R-1650C at the same time conneted to Onkyo 809 series receiver, sitting on the floor (no box).

Klipsche definitely had more bass, but at 3 times the price, you would expect it. I didnt crank it super-loud, but everything else seemed comparable. I would say that Micca is prob. equivalent to a typiacl $60 speaker, so if you are on a super tight budget, it might be a decent option.
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post #1360 of 1652
1/28/12 at 6:48pm
The reviews on all of miccas speakers are incredible. I trust amazon reviews and all of there speakers get five out of five. I'm leaning towards them but the monoprice three ways could be better because of the dedicated midrange.
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post #1361 of 1652
1/29/12 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by chadstew View Post

The reviews on all of miccas speakers are incredible. I trust amazon reviews and all of there speakers get five out of five. I'm leaning towards them but the monoprice three ways could be better because of the dedicated midrange.

Amazons reviews are hardly "trustworthy". They aren't professional at all, so they are oftentimes lacking in technical accuracy.

What they are good for is a gauge for how the common end user feels about the product. It is also good for discovering if a product has a lot of flaws or defects, because if people get defective product they tend to scream about it....loudly and at great length.

One thing to look for are reviews from end users who do know what they are talking about. Its pretty easy to tell the difference. They are pretty rare though. A small percentage of the total reviews on the site though.
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post #1362 of 1652
1/29/12 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by chadstew View Post

The reviews on all of miccas speakers are incredible. I trust amazon reviews and all of there speakers get five out of five. I'm leaning towards them but the monoprice three ways could be better because of the dedicated midrange.

As I said, I compared two speakers side-by-side, which is much better than just listening to Micca by itself.

I will be testing the Monoprice alongside the Klipsch, because I just returned the Micca

Also, since they were not in a box that could make a difference.

With all the questions around here, makes me think I should start a speaker video review site
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post #1363 of 1652
1/29/12 at 5:28pm
Has anyone had any problems with sound transfer to the room above where the ceiling speakers are installed?

I'm considering installing these in my basement ceiling, but they would be directly below my living room, which also has a hard wood floor. I'm really worried that we would hear the sound from below too easily when sitting in the living room. There is regular cellulose insulation in the ceiling, but not sure if that would make much difference, or even if backer boxes would be much help for preventing sound transference,

Anyone have any experience good or bad with this issue?
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post #1364 of 1652
1/30/12 at 4:00pm
Hey guys, first post here (although I've been lurking for a while)! Please be gentle...

I've read through most of this thread but I am still on the fence deciding between the 6816 and 7604 for my left and right mains. It seems like the overall consensus is pretty split as well, but I doubt I can go wrong either way. If I go 7604 will probably do another 7604 for the center. Not sure about center if I do 6816.

Anyways, my question: has anyone had any issues with the fact that the 7604 has a 6 Ohm impedance? Specifically, it's generally not a good idea to have speakers with different impedance levels in the same setup, but most rear surrounds from monoprice are 8 Ohms. Also, the lower the impedance, the harder the receiver has to work relative to a higher resistance. I have an Onkyo TX NR807 which theoretically should be able to handle these fine, but still a slight concern. The onkyo already runs real hot just driving a 5 channel HTIB setup, so am a little worried about putting in some real mains with a 6 ohm load.

Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated.
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post #1365 of 1652
1/30/12 at 5:37pm
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Hey guys, first post here (although I've been lurking for a while)! Please be gentle...

I've read through most of this thread but I am still on the fence deciding between the 6816 and 7604 for my left and right mains. It seems like the overall consensus is pretty split as well, but I doubt I can go wrong either way. If I go 7604 will probably do another 7604 for the center. Not sure about center if I do 6816.

Anyways, my question: has anyone had any issues with the fact that the 7604 has a 6 Ohm impedance? Specifically, it's generally not a good idea to have speakers with different impedance levels in the same setup, but most rear surrounds from monoprice are 8 Ohms. Also, the lower the impedance, the harder the receiver has to work relative to a higher resistance. I have an Onkyo TX NR807 which theoretically should be able to handle these fine, but still a slight concern. The onkyo already runs real hot just driving a 5 channel HTIB setup, so am a little worried about putting in some real mains with a 6 ohm load.

Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated.

Many AVSers love our Onkyos, but realise they run a bit hot. 6 Ohms is fine. If you are concerned, just do what many of us do; use a USB powered 120mm fan placed above the HDMI board of the AVR. That'll keep things nice and cool.
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post #1366 of 1652
1/31/12 at 8:41am
Thanks fitbrit!

I think I am going to pull the trigger on the 7604's. I am already working on ventilation/cooling for the onkyo, so I should be fine.

That said, does anyone have a single 7604 for sale? If not, I will just buy the extra pair and have one for sale shortly
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post #1367 of 1652
1/31/12 at 10:12am
I would keep the extra speaker for a 'backup', expecially if they ever get discontinued. I have a spare right now, that I bought just for this reason. Got it cheap "just in case". Better to have and not need, than the other way around, especially so when they aren't being made anymore
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post #1368 of 1652
2/2/12 at 3:31pm
I'm thinking about using 7604s for my LCR for my main living room. The speakers will be mounted on the wall that is on the exterior of the house. The cavities between the studs have spray foam insulation in them. What is the general recommendation with in-wall speakers (specifically the 7604) and spray foam insulation?
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post #1369 of 1652
2/3/12 at 6:57pm
I'm trying to decide which of the in-wall and in-ceiling speakers to use for my LCR and surrounds. I've been digging through this thread for the past couple days, and I've seen a few mention that when using a powered sub, the 6-1/2" speakers are recommended. Is this still the case? I was leaning towards the 6816 "High Power" 8" in-walls as well as the angled 8" in-ceiling speakers until I read that.

Any suggestions?
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post #1370 of 1652
2/3/12 at 7:44pm
Bump. Anyone know if these ceiling speakers leak sound into the room above them?? Surely some have experience one way or another with this?

Appreciate any feedback!


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Originally Posted by hanesian View Post

Has anyone had any problems with sound transfer to the room above where the ceiling speakers are installed?

I'm considering installing these in my basement ceiling, but they would be directly below my living room, which also has a hard wood floor. I'm really worried that we would hear the sound from below too easily when sitting in the living room. There is regular cellulose insulation in the ceiling, but not sure if that would make much difference, or even if backer boxes would be much help for preventing sound transference,

Anyone have any experience good or bad with this issue?
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post #1371 of 1652
2/4/12 at 8:29am
Wonder if anyone can help me pick out some speakers if I can provide a generic layout? I currently have a set of bose speakers and looking to replace them soon.
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post #1372 of 1652
2/4/12 at 8:40am
1 thing is certain, the room above in-ceilings will be noisy
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post #1373 of 1652
2/4/12 at 10:41am
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

1 thing is certain, the room above in-ceilings will be noisy

Thanks for responding.

Is this based on experience or assumption?
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post #1374 of 1652
2/5/12 at 12:18am
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Thanks for responding.

Is this based on experience or assumption?

From experience the sound does travel to the above room. Unless you could try and build a box for them and insulate really well
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post #1375 of 1652
2/10/12 at 7:46am
Hope anyone can help me out as Monoprice TECH could not. I am looking for the Equivalent Volume (Vas) of the monoprice 4103. I need it to calculate a back box.
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post #1376 of 1652
2/11/12 at 1:26pm
Has anyone tried bi-amping one of the 10" inwall subs with a 6816 for a little more low end punch?
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post #1377 of 1652
2/11/12 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by John Kish View Post

Has anyone tried bi-amping one of the 10" inwall subs with a 6816 for a little more low end punch?

I'm using external subs with my 6816s, but I think the inwall subs are meant to do what you're suggesting, or at least to passthrough the higher frequencies to the other speakers in a non bi-amped configuration.
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post #1378 of 1652
2/11/12 at 4:40pm
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I'm using external subs with my 6816s, but I think the inwall subs are meant to do what you're suggesting, or at least to passthrough the higher frequencies to the other speakers in a non bi-amped configuration.

Yes, I knew that was one intended use case. I guess my question was whether anyone had tried and could report any results or if the thought was that the 10 inch sub might not add enough to the 8 inch woofer already present in the 6816.
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post #1379 of 1652
2/11/12 at 4:52pm
From the reviews and posted specs, it would appear it's not worth it unless you build a box for the subs. I figured the inwall wiring would get too complicated and just went with external subs.
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post #1380 of 1652
2/15/12 at 10:05pm
Ok. So I decided to buy all four pairs of speakers that I was interested in. Monoprice 6816, audiosource ac8w, polk rc85i, and micca m8s. At first I was most impressed with monoprice. Heavy large magnets and quality construction. After running all speakers through rew5 all four performed well. Keep in mind that I removed each pair from my wall between each test. After the loud music test I eliminated the miccas. Too much distortion at high volumes. I then ran the pink music generator and recorded the results with trueRTA. Audiosource provided the most flat db per octave of all but it was close. I then went back to the loud music test. Every time I sampled the audiosource speakers I had to check to see my sub was turned off. They clearly produced lower frequencies better than monoprice and polk. Audiosource speakers sound was rich and full at all frequencies. Highs, lows, and mids were all equally impressive. I chose to keep the audiosorce ac8w.
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