Monoprice in-wall, in-ceiling speakers - Page 49

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has any experience in using the Energy Take 5 classic R, C, and R speakers with in-ceiling surround speakers (as opposed to the other 2 bookshelf speakers that are included in the 5.1 set. We are adding an addition to our home that includes a new "great room" (about 21 x 18) and I would like to use my energy speakers for a 5.1 set-up - but unfortunately my wife is not very keen on having the Take 5 classic bookshelf speakers mounted on the wall (or on floor stands) for the surround sound (the L, R, and C speakers will be nicely placed within a built-in bookcase along with the TV. So am I considering going the in-ceiling speaker route for the left/right surrounds even though I know it is not "ideal" (have been looking at the monoprice 8" ones as budget is a concern as well). Will the sound field be completey destroyed if I go with in-ceilings for the surrounds? Or since the 3 main speakers will handle most of the load should I be okay? Does anyone has any experienced mixing the L,C,R speakers from the take 5 classic set or any other bookshelf speakers with in-ceiling surrounds? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.

I have a single 7604 for sale. I bought 2 pairs, only using L/R/C. $50 with the shipping or if someone wants to pick it up in Chicago.

PM me if interested.

Thanks.

@rhinomulitia

I don't know how high-end you're looking, but I got the same 10" passive sub and went with the Dayton Audio SPA250 250 Watt Subwoofer Plate Amplifier. I think it does a bang-up job and it was right in your price range for $120.

this has sold...thanks.

Hello,
OK, so I am a TOTAL A/V novice so I would appreciate any and all advice.
I've spent hours reading and re-reading this thread.

Here is my situation. I have an 18x23 room that is pre-wired with 5.1 setup. I have a Denon 3312 and a Polk PSW505 sub.
I'm looking for in-wall LCR and in-ceiling surround.

So, I've read and it seems like there is no consensus. Some say go with all 7604s for LCR, others say go with all 4101s for LCR, others go with 6816s.

Monoprice indicated that with my receiver they recommend the 6816 insisting it is better than the 4101.

I am SOOOOO lost!

I was actually thinking of going with a Polk CS2 center channel with left and right 4101s. I was worried about the timbre match but I saw another forum where somebody indicated it sounded great. Plus, it would cost the same as or less than going with all 7604s or 6816s and I would get center channel that is universally lauded (from what I can tell).

Monoprice also recommended 4104s for surround which I have no problem with. Can't imagine the in-ceiling surrounds will make a huge difference.

Can somebody let me know what they would recommend? Since I don't need the center channel to be in-wall, is my idea of going with a CS2 and either 4101s or 7604s (which would look better), work?

Thanks in advance!!!

my preference would be either 7604 or 6816
with more preference towards the 6816

Great discussion... very helpful insight.

I'm hoping for some additional advice related to me situation:

I am building a house, currently being framed. My receiver is a Denon AVR-591. I am planning on using either the 7604's or 6816 for the Left-Front and Right-Fronts.

Question #1: I currently have a Klipsch C-10 center speaker that fits nicely into the TV stand that I will continue to use. Will this work well with either of the in-wall fronts that I mentioned above, or would I be better off looking at replacing the Klipsch with something from Monoprice? Any "timbre" issues or balancing issues? (I will be doing the Audyssey set-up through my receiver)

Question #2: From what I've read elsewhere on AVS, the surrounds should ideally be "bi-pole" or "di-pole" (not sure if those are the same and if I have my info correct) because you don't want to be able to pinpoint the source of the surrounds. Assuming that is correct info (and please correct me if I have it wrong), are the 4619's (6-1/2 Inches Glass Composite 3-Way, Dual Voice Coil, Stereo In-Ceiling Speakers) considered bi-pole or di-pole and thus would they be a good choice for surrounds, or should I go with maybe the 8" directional woofer ceiling speakers (4929)?

Many thanks in advance for any advice or insights you can offer on this.

I'm also looking into the 4101 since now my wife wants to do away with visible speakers on the rear. My setup would be 7.1 (debating adding another sub for 7.2) My family room space is 15X15'6. I have two story ceiling so in ceiling is out of the question. But that brings me to my next "NOOB" question, how high can the ceiling be to install in ceiling speakers? Is there a rule of thumb for height?

Still in need of a 7604. Please PM if you have one you're willing to part with. Thanks.

has anyone tried to use two 7604 as a center channel? i have an onkyo 609 and didnt want an extra speaker laying around if I could utilize a pair of them as a center channel. thanks for any help

I've got a 7.1 configuration right now using Monoprice 6816's along with (2) 6317's. All of which are in the ceiling, outside of the center channel which my contractor is going to build into the fireplace mantel. Herein lies my question. The ceiling speakers can easily be replaced, upgraded at my leisure -- especially if I'm able to find speakers that are similar in size. Once that center channel gets cut into the fireplace mantel, there's not much I can do to upgrade.

I was considering the idea of using a Klipsh center channel?

Thoughts?

Due to configuration of my room, I was unable to wall mount them. The consequences of which are lack of great driving sound from the fronts. I wish Monoprice had directional options.

If you had to choose between these two scenarios, which would you go with:

1) Matching 7604's across the front - L&R mounted around 4' high (ear level) in the wall BUT the center speaker has to be mounted in a fake cabinet on the floor. In relation to the L&R, the center will be 16" forward (closer to the viewers) and about 3' lower (ie. 1' off the ground).
2) Use an external center speaker that will be just under the TV but externally wall mounted. It would be close to the same height as the L&R but won't match. It would only be slightly closer; basically the depth of the speaker unit itself.

Thoughts?

First, this thread was an awesome help. I went with 7604's across the front and they sound AMAZING! I am very happy that I went this direction as I can not see things sounding any better. I also have MP rears and a Bic America F-12 to round things out.

That said, I have an extra 7604 if someone needs one. PM me if interested.

Glad to hear that the 7604's sound so good. I'm debating going with these for LCRs, or doing something higher-end like Speakercraft... but the price difference is definitely compelling me and that's why I'm still on the fence. What kind of receiver do you have in your set-up? Also, does it sound equally good for music and TV/movies? How big is your room?

All 3 the same. You will notice the difference in tone if you have different speakers up front. Distance doesn't matter since you can account for that in the receiver setup for the speakers. You want to angle the speakers so that the tweeter is aimed directly at the listening position for all the front speakers. Have fun.

Debate no further. For movies and X-Box, these things rock. For music, they are just okay. I guess that is where the price difference comes to to play. My receiver is a Pioneer 522-k (basic 5.1). Room size is big, about 1,100 sq ft. The panel is in one corner of that , of course, but the room is open. These are in my basement. I have an NHT set-up (not in-wall) upstairs to compare it to.

I agree. Stick with the same across the front. I almost didn't. I though that maybe I'd send a little more money (than a 7604) on the center channel and I am glad I didn't. I think any gains in quality (questionable, but I'm sure there) would have been lost by the mismatch in the tone of the different speaker. Having a matched set across the front is a better way to go, in my opinion.

What did you do for rears? I was thinking of just using 7604s all around.

Is it safe to install speakers and wires above a fireplace? There won't be any damage from the heat?

I used the 4103's and I like them. I was going to use the 7605's, but they are just too big--something like 13" I am happy with the way it sounds.

I have a extra 7604. I will sell it for $40 shipped in the continental US. It includes the template, but no grill key. You can use the key from one of the other speakers in your set or use a paper clip. PM me if you are interested.

Do you have any problems using your fireplace with speakers mounted above there? Is there heat coming out thru the speaker with the fireplace on?

What if you can't have the speakers at ear level? Would getting in wall with pivoting tweeters make the difference?

It is sold.

I also contacted Monoprice about this. They said they would test it and get back to me. This was back in June. I haven't heard back from them. Thank you for testing and confirming it is 8 ohm.

I've done that exactly, but we had our contractor do a series of test first to see how much heat reached the area the speaker would be. The answer was not much at all, in part because the chimney tapers away from the front wall in my case.

Same as in mine. I'm about 2 feet from the flue. I'll test the heat with heat detection camera, but I feel I'll be ok since there is fiberglass behind the wall I opened up.

I'm finally piecing together my HT in the basement

Everything is in place for the projector, but now I need to add sound.

I am thinking about using either the 6816 or the 7604 speakers for the fronts and center and surrounds. The room is about 20' long and 16' wide. The listening area will only be about 13' from the screen/wall where I will be installing the speakers. The left and right surrounds will be on the side wall at ear height.

Behind and in the ceiling I already have installed the 4919 angled speakers - those will be wired up for the surround back L & R.


My question is, which speakers should I choose for the fronts and surrounds? Should I go with the 6816 or the 7604?

I am driving these speakers with an Onkyo TX-SR575.


One thing I noticed is the product page for the 7604 says they're 6ohm speakers, but I think someone said that it's a mis-print? I know my rears are 8ohms, so does that mean the 6816 is the best choice if the 7604s really are 6ohm?

thanks!

For some reason I was under the impression that the 7604 had a pivoting tweeter but I don't see that on the website and now I don't know why I was thinking that.

It seems to me that a pivoting tweeter would be vital for any in wall speaker for mains since they can't be toed in? Do any of the rectangular in-walls have pivoting tweeters?
Edited by dfriend - 10/17/12 at 2:40pm

that's a good point. Does monoprice have any speakers with a pivoting tweeter?