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post #1471 of 1786
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Originally Posted by monsterbucket View Post

that's a good point. Does monoprice have any speakers with a pivoting tweeter?

My model of Monoprice in-ceiling speakers have the pivoting tweeter.
post #1472 of 1786
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Originally Posted by BornSlippyZ View Post

My model of Monoprice in-ceiling speakers have the pivoting tweeter.

I see those... It doesn't look as if any of the rectangular models have pivoting tweeters.

So...

question 1: is there a rule that says you can't use in-ceiling speakers as in-wall speakers?
question 2: how necessary is it to direct the left and right speakers in toward the listening area?
post #1473 of 1786
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Originally Posted by monsterbucket View Post

I see those... It doesn't look as if any of the rectangular models have pivoting tweeters.
So...
question 1: is there a rule that says you can't use in-ceiling speakers as in-wall speakers?
question 2: how necessary is it to direct the left and right speakers in toward the listening area?
Sorry I jumped into the fray and you guys were talking about in wall speakers.

I do not know it there is a rule per-se but I do think these speakers were designed to be used specifically for their purpose either for the ceiling or in the wall. For #2 I will let someone more knowledgeable answer that because I never had in-wall speakers in any of my homes, just in-ceiling speakers.
post #1474 of 1786
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Originally Posted by BornSlippyZ View Post

Sorry I jumped into the fray and you guys were talking about in wall speakers.
I do not know it there is a rule per-se but I do think these speakers were designed to be used specifically for their purpose either for the ceiling or in the wall. For #2 I will let someone more knowledgeable answer that because I never had in-wall speakers in any of my homes, just in-ceiling speakers.

you bring up another interesting question though SlippyZ...

What about using in-ceiling speakers for the front setups? Would the 15* angled in-ceiling 8" speakers be a good choice for Left Center Right up front? It would certainly help the WAF a lot, but would it present the right sound stage for a movie? I'm thinking about speaker # 4929

For the surrounds I would plan on using in-walls that are facing directly at the ears from the left and right.
post #1475 of 1786
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Originally Posted by monsterbucket View Post

you bring up another interesting question though SlippyZ...
What about using in-ceiling speakers for the front setups? Would the 15* angled in-ceiling 8" speakers be a good choice for Left Center Right up front? It would certainly help the WAF a lot, but would it present the right sound stage for a movie? I'm thinking about speaker # 4929
For the surrounds I would plan on using in-walls that are facing directly at the ears from the left and right.

I feel ya on the WAF, my better half loves the in-ceiling/wall look too. I would think your idea would work the only problem or deficiency with these monoprice speakers are they would benefit from a 'box' to seal these speakers up, either in the wall or the ceiling. I have been told (for the in-ceiling speaker) they are made to perform in the 'open' rafter/ceiling, but I think they would sound better with something behind them. One day I am going to make a box behind my in-ceiling speakers to see how they perform.
post #1476 of 1786
I will be looking for a descent priced probably $50-150/pair in wall/ceiling speakers in the near future and good to see there is some descent stuff out there in that range.
post #1477 of 1786
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Originally Posted by BornSlippyZ View Post

I feel ya on the WAF, my better half loves the in-ceiling/wall look too. I would think your idea would work the only problem or deficiency with these monoprice speakers are they would benefit from a 'box' to seal these speakers up, either in the wall or the ceiling. I have been told (for the in-ceiling speaker) they are made to perform in the 'open' rafter/ceiling, but I think they would sound better with something behind them. One day I am going to make a box behind my in-ceiling speakers to see how they perform.

so comparing in-walls without the ability to toe-in to the listening area VS. in-ceiling with a 15* angle, which would be better? Or are they equal and I just need to choose one?
post #1478 of 1786
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Originally Posted by monsterbucket View Post

so comparing in-walls without the ability to toe-in to the listening area VS. in-ceiling with a 15* angle, which would be better? Or are they equal and I just need to choose one?

I was hoping some other people would chime in. But after researching other brands of in-wall speakers, mainly the Klipsch reference line. I found out the horn is the only part that pivots, so I guess there is a benefit to having the in-wall speakers that pivot. Honestly, I would just go with the in-wall because they are designed for in-wall use and it will look nicer imo on the wall than the round in-ceiling speakers. Also what sub are you going with?
post #1479 of 1786
I'm starting with an older CambridgeSoundworks Basscube 12 that I picked up for very very very cheap ($20 and it included an ensemble II center channel). It sounds flawless!

I will have to go back to the drawing board on the front in-walls then. If the monoprices do not pivot, then I should look for another variety that does, but I doubt I'll find them for $88 a pair...

Any suggestions on a $200 or so pair of in-walls that would be good for L/R and have a pivoting feature or at least be angled in?

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Originally Posted by BornSlippyZ View Post

I was hoping some other people would chime in. But after researching other brands of in-wall speakers, mainly the Klipsch reference line. I found out the horn is the only part that pivots, so I guess there is a benefit to having the in-wall speakers that pivot. Honestly, I would just go with the in-wall because they are designed for in-wall use and it will look nicer imo on the wall than the round in-ceiling speakers. Also what sub are you going with?
post #1480 of 1786
These Micca's are probably the cheapest in wall with pivoting tweeter heads. 6.5" pair,.http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0047PO2Z8/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000SY1PO8&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1NHTH7J73PTASFK1ZTPS


Here is the 8" ones http://www.amazon.com/Micca-M-8S-Speakers-Pivoting-Tweeter/dp/B003JOPWHK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1350678479&sr=1-1&keywords=micca+8%22+in+wall+speakers
post #1481 of 1786
@BornSlippyZ

thanks for the post! these are still in the price range (I know... I'm cheap) and they fit the bill for the positionable tweeter.

One question - Would I be better of with three of the 8" model, or two 8" for the L and R and this for the center: http://www.amazon.com/Micca-In-Wall-Speakers-Pivoting-Tweeter/dp/B00481KO30/ref=pd_bxgy_e_img_y

or even three of the M-CS speakers?

I can't tell which would be better?

post #1482 of 1786
That is a good question...since I have been looking at the AT screen/HT builds, most of the guys there use JTR or 3 of the same type speaker behind the screen. My setup uses Klipsch towers with a little Klipsch center. My center ch speakers are 6.5" and my towers have duel 10" speakers in them. It sounds great but I am biased because I love the sound. If I was installing in-walls like you, I would probably match all three the same, probably the 8" ones. Is this room mainly for movies or music?
post #1483 of 1786
almost 100% movies. Music will be played out of them, but not listened to with a critical ear.

if I do go with the 8" across the front is there any downside to mounting the center horizontally?

One benefit to these Miccas is that they're sold individually. I was toying with having to buy two pairs of Monoprice for the front three, and I'd have speaker left over.

I also plan on using the same speakers for the surrounds - I have wall space on either side of the seating area where those can go... I'm guessing that's not an issue, right? those 8" Miccas should be fine as surrounds, too?
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Originally Posted by BornSlippyZ View Post

That is a good question...since I have been looking at the AT screen/HT builds, most of the guys there use JTR or 3 of the same type speaker behind the screen. My setup uses Klipsch towers with a little Klipsch center. My center ch speakers are 6.5" and my towers have duel 10" speakers in them. It sounds great but I am biased because I love the sound. If I was installing in-walls like you, I would probably match all three the same, probably the 8" ones. Is this room mainly for movies or music?
post #1484 of 1786
In-ceiling vs in-wall. I would go in-wall anytime. I've listened to a couple of setups with speakers in the ceiling, and imaging of the front channels is really lousy.
post #1485 of 1786
How do the old monoprice speakers stack up to the new ones?

I bought the following, back in 2010 :

[4101] 8 Inches Kevlar 2-Way In-Wall Speakers (Pair) - 80W Nominal, 120W Max -- FRONTS
[4104] 8 Inches Kevlar 2-Way In-Ceiling Speakers (Pair) - 80W Nominal, 160W Max -- REARS
[6317] 5-1/4 Inches Center Channel Micro-Flanged In-Wall Speaker - 8 Ohm -- CENTER

I just got around to installing them into the walls and ceiling eek.gif. Probably going to be using a Denon AVR-2808CI receiver to power them.

Do you think it would be worth selling some of these on craigslist and picking up more recent models? Is there much difference between them?



Thanks.
post #1486 of 1786
I am looking at the round Monoprice speakers for a bedroom and kitchen for music. I am thinking 6.5" speakers so they're not too visible. How do I pick between the 60W 2-way 4103 and the 40W 3-way 4619?

It seems that the 4619's main advantage is when used as a single speaker "simulating" stereo by angling its two tweeters separately. Is that correct?

In the bedroom, I plan to install two speakers on either side of my bed. The right speaker will be in line with my bathroom door. I am thinking of doing left and right channels. I know I'll mostly hear the right channel from the bathroom but I think that's ok?

For the kitchen... My kitchen and dining room form an L. I was thinking of making the whole L a single zone, with three speakers: 2 in the kitchen area itself, and one at the end of the living room area. Something like that (the circled crosses would be the speakers):



For this, should I use the 4103 (in a Right/Left/Right combination) or the 4619s and set them all up to get both left/right? What's the effect on impedance then?

I am also considering those for rears in a 5.1 setup. Or do I need to step up to 8"?
Edited by Dr. Crash - 10/26/12 at 1:24pm
post #1487 of 1786
Hey guys, I am about to pull the trigger on a pair of 6816s, can you recommend a center channel from Monoprice that matches the 6816 ascetically and sonically?

Thanks!
post #1488 of 1786
6317 microflanged will do the job
post #1489 of 1786
After days and days of research and mind changes, I purchased 2 x 7604 and 1 x 6317 for my fronts. Was this a good choice? Anyone using this setup? Thoughts?

Thanks!

J
post #1490 of 1786
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Originally Posted by Dr. Crash View Post

I am looking at the round Monoprice speakers for a bedroom and kitchen for music. I am thinking 6.5" speakers so they're not too visible. How do I pick between the 60W 2-way 4103 and the 40W 3-way 4619?
It seems that the 4619's main advantage is when used as a single speaker "simulating" stereo by angling its two tweeters separately. Is that correct?
In the bedroom, I plan to install two speakers on either side of my bed. The right speaker will be in line with my bathroom door. I am thinking of doing left and right channels. I know I'll mostly hear the right channel from the bathroom but I think that's ok?
For the kitchen... My kitchen and dining room form an L. I was thinking of making the whole L a single zone, with three speakers: 2 in the kitchen area itself, and one at the end of the living room area. Something like that (the circled crosses would be the speakers):

For this, should I use the 4103 (in a Right/Left/Right combination) or the 4619s and set them all up to get both left/right? What's the effect on impedance then?
I am also considering those for rears in a 5.1 setup. Or do I need to step up to 8"?

Anybody? Please? (I am now thinking I may drop the dining room speaker... I don't need that much music necessarily.)
post #1491 of 1786
Hello,
If anyone is interested I used Monoprice's 7604 speakers for L/C/R and have an extra speaker available for sale. Shoot me a PM if you're interested.
post #1492 of 1786
Ok,

We are building a house and I have read just about the whole thread here . I am not an audio engineer, but wanted to share my impressions

I ordered the 4929 for rear surround $100 shipped approx

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10837&cs_id=1083703&p_id=4929&seq=1&format=2

7 also ordered these for comparison

HTD HD R80 $200 shipped approx,

http://www.htd.com/Products/high-definition/HD-R80-ceiling-speakers


I then cut 4 holes in a sturdy cardboard box .

I alternated playing a cd on both speakers

My laymans takeaway-

Monoprice sounded very harsh , almost like shouting, very noticeable , much louder than htd at same volume.

HTD sounded more complete , you heard the music , didnt notice the speaker.Had to turn to up higher to get same volume out of them.



I really want to like the monoprice speakers especially because of the price and all the great reviews. I have a bunch of speakers to buy .

Feedback welcome
Edited by cjlmlml - 11/10/12 at 9:28am
post #1493 of 1786
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Originally Posted by cjlmlml View Post

Ok,
We are building a house and I have read just about the whole thread here . I am not an audio engineer, but wanted to share my impressions
I ordered the 4929 for rear surround $100 shipped approx
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10837&cs_id=1083703&p_id=4929&seq=1&format=2
7 also ordered these for comparison
HTD HD R80 $200 shipped approx,
http://www.htd.com/Products/high-definition/HD-R80-ceiling-speakers
I then cut 4 holes in a sturdy cardboard box .
I alternated playing a cd on both speakers
My laymans takeaway-
Monoprice sounded very harsh , almost like shouting, very noticeable , much louder than htd at same volume.
HTD sounded more complete , you heard the music , didnt notice the speaker.Had to turn to up higher to get same volume out of them.
I really want to like the monoprice speakers especially because of the price and all the great reviews. I have a bunch of speakers to buy .
Feedback welcome

http://www.jamesloudspeaker.com/index.cfm?page=ceiling
post #1494 of 1786
I just replaced my $1,100 dollar bose setup with $320 speakers and it sounds 100 times better!


Monoprice 7604 x 2
Monoprice 6317 x 1
Polk Rm101 x 2 (rears)
Dayton Audio Sub-1200 x 1

This setup is super inexpensive and sounds fantastic to me. Now just have to unload the bose on craigslist smile.gif
post #1495 of 1786
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Originally Posted by jarekkaraban View Post

I just replaced my $1,100 dollar bose setup with $320 speakers and it sounds 100 times better!

Monoprice 7604 x 2
Monoprice 6317 x 1
Polk Rm101 x 2 (rears)
Dayton Audio Sub-1200 x 1
This setup is super inexpensive and sounds fantastic to me. Now just have to unload the bose on craigslist smile.gif

How are these holding up? I'm about to do the same setup. But I see others have gone with 7604 in front. Any feedback would be great. BTW how high did you mount the speakers?
post #1496 of 1786
monoprice 20% off when sign up for email subscriptions


Doing our parents living room next with

3x 7604 for LCR
2x 4104 as surrounds in ceiling
PE Bash500S and Lab12 sub
post #1497 of 1786
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Originally Posted by autox320 View Post

monoprice 20% off when sign up for email subscriptions
Doing our parents living room next with
3x 7604 for LCR
2x 4104 as surrounds in ceiling
PE Bash500S and Lab12 sub

Where do you sign up for the 20% off??
post #1498 of 1786
I'm already subscribed to email offers, but you can login to your account and on the left change subscriptions to "subscribe" to the news letter.

Received an email to verify my address and anything added to the cart was 20% off; ends 15Dec.
post #1499 of 1786
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I'm already subscribed to email offers, but you can login to your account and on the left change subscriptions to "subscribe" to the news letter.
Received an email to verify my address and anything added to the cart was 20% off; ends 15Dec.

Did that and still no discount. Are the codes unique?
post #1500 of 1786
well this certainly was a long thread lol

I am in the process of finishing my basement now and will have a TV area, Nothing dedicated like some of the theaters I have seen on here. This is my first time putting something together so I am basically reading and learning as much as I can. I will probably post another thread getting thoughts but figured since I was looking at these speakers would post here

the room is about 16' x 19' and my tv will be off centered. Trying to find a 70" lcd but may be getting a 65" Samsung 8000 series

I still need to purchase a sub and a new receiver as I have nothing in the basement and just finished rough framing.

Below is what I have ended up doing, RED items are speakers and TV









I appreciate all the comments and ended up going with

4929 8 Inches Kevlar In-Ceiling Speakers (Pair) - w/ 15 Degree Angled Woofer 1 $88.96 $88.96 (using for 7.1 surrounds)
4104 8 Inches Kevlar 2-Way In-Ceiling Speakers (Pair) - 80W Nominal, 160W Max 2 $54.29 $108.58 (using in bar area and exercise room)
7604 6-1/2 Inches Dual Woofer- Micro Flange In-Wall Speaker (Pair) 3 $86.93 $260.79 (using for LCR and LS and RS)

Also, I found a 20% off coupon. Just apply "INCENTIVE" in the coupon box. I just saved $91

Thanks,

Mike
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