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post #1591 of 1791
XclusiveTN and others, did you have any luck getting speaker specs to design an enclosure for the 8604s?
post #1592 of 1791
Here is the info I was able to get:

4103

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1420157/backer-box-for-6-5-ceiling-speakers

4103 parameters.jpg 24k .jpg file

7604

7604 thiele small parameters.pdf 228k .pdf file

Im not sure fo the enclosure size for the 7604's as I don't ahve the software no was I was able to get anyone to help me out with with them.

If you are running a sub you really don't need backer boxes but hope that helps anyone who needs them!

I love my setup and thanks for all the people who have helped in this thread so far.

Thanks,
post #1593 of 1791
I have been stalking the thread for a month or so, and finally made the leap out of the dark ages. Can't thank everyone enough for the honest, insightful input. We went with 7604 LCR and 4929 for the surrounds. Really pleased with the decision. Still working with new receiver (Yamaha RX-V673) to make all the necessary tweaks. The wife is already smiling though with all the clutter gone and the sound already is perfect - and frankly more than expected for the price we paid. We also opted to use a Monoprice ultra thin wall mount for the LED - awesome. Again, great value for the money.
post #1594 of 1791
Hey guys, I know I should read over a lot of the pages but I'm extremely time pressed as this sale ends today...should I go for it or pass?

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461640/in-ceiling-speakers
post #1595 of 1791
After reading this entire thread I decided to go with the Monoprice in wall speakers in my living room and I could not be more pleased. I bought two pairs of the 6035's and one of the 6317's for the center channel speaker to make a 5.1 system using my existing Sony sub and Yamaha VX461 receiver. These speakers are the micro-flanged style and they look great. With help from my teenage nephew I was able to install the speakers in my sheetrock walls in a few hours.

I painted the speakers to match the wall colors and this was easy using a little foam roller to make several light coats over the grills while removed and lying on a piece of cardboard. For the flange I just gave them a few coats using a foam brush.

My prime listening position is about 12ft back and soundwise I think they are really nice. I did some minor EQ work on the 6317, lifting 3.5Khz about 2db and pulling back 100 and 300hz about 3db. I also had to give that channel about 2db more level overall and it came alive. This could be due to my placement which is about 3ft off the floor and 3 inches under the TV. If the 6317 had a tweeter that was aim able I might have not had to EQ. Crossover to the sub is at 80hz and maybe I could raise that to 150hz or so but it seems to sound fine.

When I installed the speakers into interior walls I cut some fiberglass insulation and placed that in the wall cavity behind the speaker thinking that it might help dampen reflections and make all of the speakers sound more uniform and I think it might have helped.
post #1596 of 1791
Thanks for all the great information everyone. I went with 7604's all around, which means I will have an extra 7604 if anyone is interested. Let me know.
post #1597 of 1791
Here are two setups I'm contemplating.

Option A:
Center: 4881
L/R: 6816
Surrounds: 7607

Option B:
Center: 6317
L/R & Surrounds: 7604

Option A is the more "powerful," while B is a bit sleeker. Will be powered by a Denon AVR 1613, and used with a 10" Insigna sub that I'm happy with for now.

Anyone see any issues with either option and my receiver? I'm definitely a relative noob, and I'm not sure if the power requirements of Option A would pose a problem of my receiver. Could the sleeker Option B get the job done regardless?

Thank you.

EDIT: As I look again, I'm starting to wonder if the 6 Ohms impedance on the 7604 would present a problem with the receiver. I remember having a problem with low impedance speakers with a prior Denon model. Never mind on that.
Edited by jspeciner - 3/13/13 at 4:30pm
post #1598 of 1791
Ok I just ordered the 8 Inches Kevlar 2-Way In-Ceiling Speakers.
post #1599 of 1791
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Originally Posted by ProfD View Post

Ok I just ordered the 8 Inches Kevlar 2-Way In-Ceiling Speakers.

If you don't like them you can wear them as a bullet proof vest!
post #1600 of 1791
anybody have an extra 6816 for sale? need one for my center....if not i will just buy a pair and hopefully someone else on here needs one for a center, thanks!
post #1601 of 1791
Hey, everyone; been reading up through this thread, a lot of great information. Here is what I am thinking for a system, primarily home theater and less often for music.

Fronts (4929): http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10837&cs_id=1083703&p_id=4929&seq=1&format=3#specification
Surround (4619): http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10837&cs_id=1083702&p_id=4619&seq=1&format=2#description
Center (6317): http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10837&cs_id=1083704&p_id=6317&seq=1&format=2#description
Sub: Active Infinity for bass/LFE (left over from last system, just upgrading to hidden ceiling speakers in new home)

Thoughts? My primary concern is if everything matched pretty good and that the 5.25" center isn't to small; with the active sub would it be better to downsize the fronts? These are all running off a fairly capable Sony receiver/amp in a fairly large living room.

Thanks for the assist.

bp
post #1602 of 1791
The choices of the 4929s and 4619 seem really odd to me.

The 4929s are in cieling angled speakers. They are great speakers, but typically for home theather your fronts should be on the wall about ear height. If you are forced to go in ceiling for your left/rights these are the best options you have. Just curios why you decided on this route? Seems odd that you'd use on-wall center, with in ceiling left/rights.

The 4619s are dual voice coil speakers meaning that one speaker can play both the left and right channels. I don't know why you would ever want to use those speakers in a home theater application. There designed to put a single speaker in a room, and have it play back stereo music.

Your sub and receiver should work fine with whatever you choose, just wondering why you chose those two (4929 and 4619s)?
post #1603 of 1791
The TV is in a nook at the bottom of a stair case so there just isn't any wall or structure to mount them both at TV level like I would prefer, but there is just enough wall space directly above the TV for optimum placement of the center channel. Good catch on the dual voice speakers, hadn't really paid attention to that point. I think these should be more appropriate for the application as surrounds: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10837&cs_id=1083702&p_id=4103&seq=1&format=3#specification.
post #1604 of 1791
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Originally Posted by bpglen View Post

The TV is in a nook at the bottom of a stair case so there just isn't any wall or structure to mount them both at TV level like I would prefer, but there is just enough wall space directly above the TV for optimum placement of the center channel. Good catch on the dual voice speakers, hadn't really paid attention to that point. I think these should be more appropriate for the application as surrounds: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10837&cs_id=1083702&p_id=4103&seq=1&format=3#specification.
The 4103s will work great for surrounds, I have them in my basement system and have been very pleased.
post #1605 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Daniel Smith View Post

The 4103s will work great for surrounds, I have them in my basement system and have been very pleased.
+1 I have these for my surrounds and they perform great!
post #1606 of 1791
For the Monoprice in ceiling speakers, am I supposed to keep the foam inside the grill after I set them up? Or is that foam just for protection during transport?
post #1607 of 1791
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Originally Posted by ProfD View Post

For the Monoprice in ceiling speakers, am I supposed to keep the foam inside the grill after I set them up? Or is that foam just for protection during transport?
I took them out.
post #1608 of 1791
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Originally Posted by BornSlippyZ View Post

I took them out.

Did you notice that they sounded dramatically better?
post #1609 of 1791
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Originally Posted by ProfD View Post

Did you notice that they sounded dramatically better?

Not dramatically, but maybe I can 'hear' the speakers better...or it could be a placebo effect. I have always took out my in-ceiling speakers in my past homes and to me they sounded better (had speakercraft in ceiling). I would think anything in front of a speaker will dampen the sound just a bit.

Edit: one day I want to make covers for the rear portions of the speakers to see if that makes the sound 'better', but for now I am happy with these speakers more than my Speakercraft ones.
post #1610 of 1791
Thanks for this awesome thread, it has been really helpful. I've read but still a newbie and saw the posts but was still looking for solutions for placement of a center speaker when mounting above a fireplace.

In the room I'm looking to do surround, there's not really room for the center to go above or below the TV (65 inch TV that is 35 inches in height, and with 41 inches of space above the fireplace to mount) and I don't think it would look right to try to jam a speaker in the limited space. Would I need to do 1 speaker on one side close to the TV or if that would be too skewed and it would be better to, if possible, flank the TV with two centers. I read one post that said it could be problematic to have two centers but both are less than ideal. If we had two centers to the left and right of the TV, the left front speaker wouldn't have much room on that side of the TV. Perhaps the center could go lower than the fronts. Or perhaps I need to go all in-ceiling or pick another wall.

Detail of the setup I'm looking to assemble, any opinions welcome. No audiophile here. Looking for a good basic setup with good quality that won't require replacement for few years, will last, good value for the $, sleek not huge, high WAF. Originally wife wanted in-ceiling but I could do in-wall if it didn't dominate the room (like my old stand-alone speakers did).

Receiver:
Onkyo TX-SR507 5.1-Channel A/V Surround Home Theater Receiver (already own)
80 Watts per Channel at 8 Ohms, 20 Hz–20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 Channels Driven, FTC; 90 Watts per Channel at 8 Ohms
Speakers considering:
LCR in-wall (2 pairs)
7604 Monoprice 6-1/2 Inches Dual Woofer- Micro Flange In-Wall Speaker

Surround in ceiling:
4929 Monoprice 8 Inches Kevlar In-Ceiling Speakers (Pair) - w/ 15 Degree Angled Woofer (do I need angled for the rear and could/should I go smaller to get the sleek factor while still retaining good surround?)

Subwoofer: I I have an old Infinity Sterling Series powered subwoofer that I would use if it would work in this setup.

I don't know if I need a passive subwoofer.

Thanks a lot for any input.

post #1611 of 1791
I have actually settled on the same speakers for the rears (4929) so I can try to bounce some sound off of the walls to diffuse it a little. Even though I am going with PSB fronts, front what I remember in my old house I think that they will blend very well. I dont listen to music in 5.1, so I am not worried about timbre matching. In my townhouse, I used 4101 for mains, 4881 for the center, and 4104's for the rear (inceiling). Just a word of warning on the center channel....it is wider that the actually standard stud spacing, so when I built my "false wall" to hide all the wires in it, I made sure the spacing was bigger in the center. In your set-up, you would probably end up having to cut a stud...which isnt a big deal other than the labor required to do that.

PERSONALLY, I would use the speakers that I listed, or even smaller 6.5" inceilings, and get a stand alone center channel (ie-Martin Logan Motions 8 or 6 which have awesome clarity for dialogue) or I heard Polks match pretty well (not a big fan of their speakers, but newegg has the 15C, as you are trying to stay "short" to fit the TV, for $80!). Try it out.
post #1612 of 1791
I have spent the last 2 hours reading this amazing thread.

Background: I have used the Monoprice in-walls 3 times in home theaters for 3 of my buddies and have been very impressed with the quality. Now I am getting ready to purchase Monoprice in-wall/ceilings for my new house which is getting built.

What I need:
A. 7.1 speakers for the home theater with my Paradigm 12" subwoofer. I will be purchasing a new AV receiver as my Denon 3806 HDMI went out. The front 3 speakers will be behind an audio transparent screen (120"). I have read the 7604 vs 6816 debate and am leaning towards the 6816 as I have used them multiple times and I think they are excellent. Thoughts?

B. 10 total rooms of "whole house" audio. In one of the rooms I will be re-using an old pair of Polk bookshelf speakers. The other 9 rooms (hearth room, dining room, master bedroom, 2 pair on the back covered patio, bonus room, garage and 2 pair in t he basement) will be in the ceiling. These will be powered by a HTD amplifier and my old Denon 3806 (analog). I am thinking of using the 6.5" 4103 as they have excellent reviews on AVS and on Monoprice. These speakers will mainly be for music during parties or for audio during big games (Super Bowl, Final 4, etc).

So to recap:

Home Theater: 4 pairs (7 channels) using the 6816 8" 3-way in-walls.

Whole house audio: 5 pairs of 6.5" 4103.

Let me know what you think and if you would change anything. Thanks in advance!
post #1613 of 1791
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

I have spent the last 2 hours reading this amazing thread.

Background: I have used the Monoprice in-walls 3 times in home theaters for 3 of my buddies and have been very impressed with the quality. Now I am getting ready to purchase Monoprice in-wall/ceilings for my new house which is getting built.

What I need:
A. 7.1 speakers for the home theater with my Paradigm 12" subwoofer. I will be purchasing a new AV receiver as my Denon 3806 HDMI went out. The front 3 speakers will be behind an audio transparent screen (120"). I have read the 7604 vs 6816 debate and am leaning towards the 6816 as I have used them multiple times and I think they are excellent. Thoughts?

B. 10 total rooms of "whole house" audio. In one of the rooms I will be re-using an old pair of Polk bookshelf speakers. The other 9 rooms (hearth room, dining room, master bedroom, 2 pair on the back covered patio, bonus room, garage and 2 pair in t he basement) will be in the ceiling. These will be powered by a HTD amplifier and my old Denon 3806 (analog). I am thinking of using the 6.5" 4103 as they have excellent reviews on AVS and on Monoprice. These speakers will mainly be for music during parties or for audio during big games (Super Bowl, Final 4, etc).

So to recap:

Home Theater: 4 pairs (7 channels) using the 6816 8" 3-way in-walls.

Whole house audio: 5 pairs of 6.5" 4103.

Let me know what you think and if you would change anything. Thanks in advance!

As you may have seen, I am using 6816s as front, surround and rear surrounds in my 11.1 HT. The centres (x4) and wides are 6317s, and the height speakers are 4101s. It sounds amazing in that room, and nobody believes the price I paid for 14 speakers. If I were to change anything, it would be the location of the height speakers, and possibly using in-ceilings with angled tweeters for them. I might also have gone with 7604s for the centres and wides, but the room was made before I had seen any reliable accounts of the 7604s, and I was familiar with the 6317s already. I'm afraid that I don't have any experience whatsoever with the 7604s. However, my HT has pretty decent bass even with the sub off. due to the power handling and 8" woofers of the 6816s

My dining room is also a 7.1 in-wall with 4101s (which I bought before the 6816s were available) and two of the older 4-Ohm 6317 equivalents in series as centre speakers. The 6816s of my HT blow the 4101s away, even though the latter don't sound bad at all. The dining room is used for music only, but we set it up for 7.1 in case the next owners (or we) later wanted to use the room as the living/TV room, as it was originally. My Media/living room is also 11.1, but uses floor standing and bookshelf speakers. If I didn't have these already and I was aware of how good the monoprice speakers could sound, I'd have in-walled that room too!

In my opinion, one of the reason my HT sounds incredible, to even many picky listeners, is because I invested a lot on using sonopan sound-proofing behind the drywall and in the ceilings. The floor is also covered with tessellating mats bought from Costco, at a ridiculously low price for floor coverage. These tiles are very soft underfoot and absorb a lot of bass, I think, for about 50c per square foot. They don't look bad either, and under them is plain plywood.

I would suggest that while the house is being built you invest another $150 - $200 in speakers and a little on cables and prepare for 11.1 sound for HT. DTS-NEO X is fantastic, and more and more mid-high end receivers will include it, not to mention Dolby Atmos and MDA around the corner for home use too. Even if you don't use all 11 speakers with the very next AVR you buy, at these prices it's better to future-proof before the dry-wall goes up.

Overall, I think your plans are good, except I'd go 11.1 on the HT. I also must reiterate that I am biased towards the 6816s from experience, without having heard the 7604s. I also have no experience with any of the in-ceiling speakers.
post #1614 of 1791
I need some advice on my 5.0 basement setup (no sub). The speakers have to be ceiling mounted and although my ceiling is at 9' the speakers are going into a ~1.5' thick "bulkhead" (1 in front, 1 in back) which puts them at ~7.5' off the ground. I think I narrowed it down to 4929s all the way around or 4929s+4104s. So my questions are:
1) Any reason why I shouldn't do 4929s all the way around? Should I split them up? If so, 29s in a front or back?
2) Any benefit in "doubling up" the center channel (2 speakers side by side)?

On a bit unrelated note, I'm also putting up some background music speakers (4102s) all over and was wondering if there is any way I could sync those up to my outdoor speakers. The outdoor speakers are hooked up to zone 2 of the Onkyo 609 which is in my living room (1 floor up) and there is no way to run the wires to it so it needs to be wireless so:
3) Is there any way to "capture" what's being played on my outside speakers and transmit it wirelessly to my basement speakers? Most of my listening is Net based (Pandora, etc.) so I don't think this could be done with 2 receivers.

Thanks a lot for your help/suggestions!
post #1615 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Goear View Post


3) Is there any way to "capture" what's being played on my outside speakers and transmit it wirelessly to my basement speakers? Most of my listening is Net based (Pandora, etc.) so I don't think this could be done with 2 receivers.

So I've done some digging around and may have found something that might work for #3. Something like Amphony 1540 wireless audio transmitter/amp
http://www.amphony.com/products/wireless-amplifier.htm
My intent would be to run this through the speaker/volume selector connected to zone 2 on Onkyo 609 and splitting the signal on the receiving end to 4 Monoprice 4102s. Any issues with that approach?
Thank you
post #1616 of 1791
I have 7604's all the around 5.1 with a klipsch 12in sub ($299 from Newegg on sale) and if I had to do it all over again I would not change a thing. Instead of deciding between the 5 1/4 or 6 1/2 you get the best of both worlds and I like how the smaller speakers reproduce the vocals. Me personally I don't see a need for 8's up front unless you don't plan on running a sub but that's just my .02 cents. For anyone that is on the fence I would say go ahead and get them, you will be very glad you did!

I think the monoprice speakers sound great as they are but a dedicated sub is what brings them to life. Once I let people hear them no once can believe what I actually paid for them.As far as the foam sheets are concerned I listened with and w/out them and didn't notice a real difference so I left them which hides the yellow kevlar 6 1/2 cones.
post #1617 of 1791
I have 7604's all the around 5.1 with a klipsch 12in sub ($299 from Newegg on sale) and if I had to do it all over again I would not change a thing. Instead of deciding between the 5 1/4 or 6 1/2 you get the best of both worlds and I like how the smaller speakers reproduce the vocals. Me personally I don't see a need for 8's up front unless you don't plan on running a sub but that's just my .02 cents. For anyone that is on the fence I would say go ahead and get them, you will be very glad you did!

I think the monoprice speakers sound great as they are but a dedicated sub is what brings them to life. Once I let people hear them no once can believe what I actually paid for them.As far as the foam sheets are concerned I listened with and w/out them and didn't notice a real difference so I left them which hides the yellow kevlar 6 1/2 cones.
post #1618 of 1791
With all of this talk about the three/two way in wall speakers, I wonder how would they do in the ceiling? I like my 4103's but I wonder how much better the three/two way 7604, 7607 or 6816?
post #1619 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Goear View Post

I need some advice on my 5.0 basement setup (no sub). The speakers have to be ceiling mounted and although my ceiling is at 9' the speakers are going into a ~1.5' thick "bulkhead" (1 in front, 1 in back) which puts them at ~7.5' off the ground. I think I narrowed it down to 4929s all the way around or 4929s+4104s. So my questions are:
1) Any reason why I shouldn't do 4929s all the way around? Should I split them up? If so, 29s in a front or back?
2) Any benefit in "doubling up" the center channel (2 speakers side by side)?

On a bit unrelated note, I'm also putting up some background music speakers (4102s) all over and was wondering if there is any way I could sync those up to my outdoor speakers. The outdoor speakers are hooked up to zone 2 of the Onkyo 609 which is in my living room (1 floor up) and there is no way to run the wires to it so it needs to be wireless so:
3) Is there any way to "capture" what's being played on my outside speakers and transmit it wirelessly to my basement speakers? Most of my listening is Net based (Pandora, etc.) so I don't think this could be done with 2 receivers.

Thanks a lot for your help/suggestions!

It can be done with two AV receivers, or one AV receiver and one amplifier - just connect the outputs of one to a Bluetooth transmitter, and connect the BT receiver to an input of the other.
post #1620 of 1791
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Originally Posted by fitbrit View Post

It can be done with two AV receivers, or one AV receiver and one amplifier - just connect the outputs of one to a Bluetooth transmitter, and connect the BT receiver to an input of the other.

I'm sorry but I'm a bit of an AV noob so could you explain that a bit more? I'm planning on having a receiver in the basement for my entertainment area so if I got another Onkyo 609 and wanted to sync zone 2 from receiver_1 to zone 2 of receiver_2 I would use a Blutooth receiver & transmitter? Why BT? Any pros/cons of BT vs. traditional wireless (2.4/5.0 Ghz)?

Thanks
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