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post #1681 of 1788
I recently moved into a new house and with the way the great room is laid out, my original surrounds aren't going to fit. At least not to my wife's satisfaction. So anyway, the room is rectangular and 24' x 17.5' (wider than it is deep) with 11' ceilings. My three fronts are AV123 X-Series Encores (pair of x-MTM mains and an x-CS center). I am running a H/K AVR 3600 with an Emotiva XPA-5 amp. For subs I have two Outlaws (one LFM-1 Plus and one LFM-1 EX). At our other house, I was running a pair of x-LS Encore bookshelfs for surrounds. Since the won't fit in acceptable locations in the new house, they will be heading to the Master bedroom.

All that being said, I have been looking at the Monoprice speakers as possible surrounds. More specifically, the 4100 2-way 6.5" model and the 7607 3-way model and installing them in the ceiling at the rear of the room. How would either of these two models compare to the x-LS Encores I have been using as surrounds and which would likely be the better choice to match with my x-Series Encore fronts?

Thanks,
Mark in GA
post #1682 of 1788
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Originally Posted by maxpower2078 View Post

I am seriously thinking about using monoprice in ceiling and some wall spots throughout my house. Is there a back/enclosure that could be put on any of them for installing into a ceiling/wall that backs up to insulation?

I want to fill in the blown in insulation over the top in the attic for example.
They are designed to be installed as is without an enclosure against insulation.
post #1683 of 1788
I am considering getting the 7604 Speakers or the 8" In walls. I might be the only one, but does that fact that you can easily see the yellow woofer behind the screen bother anybody else, or is that just me? I am considering just getting 3x 6317 center channels for my front speaker setup just because of the black cones, would I be loosing out on a lot?
post #1684 of 1788
Thanks, the reason I was asking is I don't want a spot in the 2nd story ceiling where there is not blown insulation. So is it ok to covert up the back of the speaker then with blown insulation. Or maybe I could make a makeshift enclosure.
post #1685 of 1788
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Originally Posted by MrSmegz View Post

I am considering getting the 7604 Speakers or the 8" In walls. I might be the only one, but does that fact that you can easily see the yellow woofer behind the screen bother anybody else, or is that just me? I am considering just getting 3x 6317 center channels for my front speaker setup just because of the black cones, would I be loosing out on a lot?
The speakers come with an acoustic grey foam sheet that goes between the speaker and the grille. You will only see the yellow cones if you don't keep the sheet installed (I always keep it).

These were the 6816's in our last house.




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Originally Posted by maxpower2078 View Post

Thanks, the reason I was asking is I don't want a spot in the 2nd story ceiling where there is not blown insulation. So is it ok to covert up the back of the speaker then with blown insulation. Or maybe I could make a makeshift enclosure.
The blown insulation will actually act similar to polyfil (what you find inside tower speakers). It 'tricks' the speaker into thinking it is in a larger enclosure. In essence, it should improve the sound. If you have workable access to the area above the speaker, you could come in with MDF and build an enclosure around the speaker...attaching the MDF to the joists. It is not necessary, but it would make them sound even better. If you don't have access, don't sweat it.
Edited by TXST8tj - 7/24/13 at 1:02pm
post #1686 of 1788
You can build an enclosure but I doubt it will help. These speakers were designed for operating without an enclosure (i.e. have very rigid drivers, and crossovers designed for this environment) in fact an enclosure built too small could actually make the sound worse. Since the Attic is not heated space it should be sealed pretty well already from your living space...essentially creating a very large enclosure.

I'd install it without, and I'll bet you'll be happy with the sound. If not add your enclosure later.
post #1687 of 1788
Anyone know of any issues installing in ceiling speakers in ceiling tiles for a basement?
post #1688 of 1788
Hi everyone,

I was thinking of get a some 6.5" monoprice ceiling speakers in a 5.1 configuration. The 8" look to big to me.

Are the 6.5" any good ? I see lots of talk of 8" but very little on the 6.5"

Thoughts anyone.

Thanks

tiberius
post #1689 of 1788
I installed some in 2x2 rigid tiles in my drop ceiling - so far no problems after almost a year I think. No sagging yet. These are a pretty rigid Armstrong tile - they may be a little tougher than some of the cheaper tiles out there, so YMMV. You can always cut a thin wood backer to span the width of the tile and transfer the load to the grid.
post #1690 of 1788
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Originally Posted by travisd View Post

I installed some in 2x2 rigid tiles in my drop ceiling - so far no problems after almost a year I think. No sagging yet. These are a pretty rigid Armstrong tile - they may be a little tougher than some of the cheaper tiles out there, so YMMV. You can always cut a thin wood backer to span the width of the tile and transfer the load to the grid.

Any issues with too much vibration?
post #1691 of 1788
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Originally Posted by HunteR7411 View Post

Any issues with too much vibration?

None, but I'm not driving them exceptionally hard - the ones I have in tiles are the rear surrounds in my 7.1 system, and I sadly lack a lot of 7.1 material - but I have had them sorta loud in 7-stereo mode and didn't notice any issues . Keep in mind that the speaker has enough mass in the magnet to dampen the cone movement.
post #1692 of 1788
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Originally Posted by tiberius View Post

Hi everyone,

I was thinking of get a some 6.5" monoprice ceiling speakers in a 5.1 configuration. The 8" look to big to me.

Are the 6.5" any good ? I see lots of talk of 8" but very little on the 6.5"

Thoughts anyone.

Thanks

tiberius
I have a set of 6.5" in-walls (7607) for front and rear channels ready to install in our downstairs living room, as soon as the house is finished. All of our other sets of MP in-wall/in-ceiling speakers have been of the 8" size, but our new house has a theater room, so I don't have the same need for the surround setup in the living room. I installed the same speakers in my buddy's house as well as his dad's house and they sound great.
post #1693 of 1788
I have the 6035's as rear surrounds and front left and right with the 6317 in the center. After about 6 months of use I could not be happier with the results they give on a all sorts of material. I'm using them with a Sony sub and crossing over at about 80Hz and driving them with a Yamaha V461 receiver in a 5.1 configuration. The room is about 15X25 overall with the theater set up using about 15X15 of that space and it covers it easily. Three of the 6035's are in interior walls(drywall) and in those I cut a piece of insulation and placed it behind them so that the sound would be more similar to the one that's in the exterior wall. This seems to work well.
post #1694 of 1788
I was looking at monoprice for a5.1 set up...

Should I pair the 6.5" rears (4103) with the 8" fronts (4101) and their 5 1/4" center (6317)?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=ceiling+speakers

Or would it be best to pair 6.5:" front (4100) and rears with that center channel?
post #1695 of 1788
Is anybody running the 7604's with dedicated amps? They aren't a particularly efficient speaker and i'm wondering if they sound much better with a lot more power than most receivers provide.
post #1696 of 1788
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Originally Posted by luvthefloyd View Post

Is anybody running the 7604's with dedicated amps? They aren't a particularly efficient speaker and i'm wondering if they sound much better with a lot more power than most receivers provide.
I'm just about to set up my 7604s and 7605s this week. Just got them in the mail. I'm going to be driving them with an Onkyo receiver at 100Watts. What are you driving them with?
post #1697 of 1788
A Rotel receiver 75w pc. I'm replacing it soon probably with a Marantz product but i have the feeling it won't output as much power as the Rotel.
post #1698 of 1788
We're mounting our TV above a direct vent fireplace. Anyone know if there'd be any problem with heat from the fireplace affecting the speakers from inside the wall at all? I don't know how much heat would radiate out from the "box" of the fireplace that might go up into the wall cavity area.

I was planning on using two of the 6.5" (4100) speakers on either side of the fireplace and the center speaker (4881) below the TV. I had never considered putting the center speaker ABOVE the TV but if that'd make more sense, I'd be open to that as well.

Attached is a quick mock up I made in some planning software. We'd have the TV as low as we could so we aren't craning our necks but I don't have exact dimensions of anything since none of it exists yet.



Thanks.
post #1699 of 1788
Can someone tell me how to run wires? I need to run my wires up the wall, then across the ceiling about 10 feet into my media room (My media room has an unfinished ceiling, so I have access above the ceiling). I don't need to cross any studs, but I'm curious as to how I'll grab the wires and pull them from such a long distance.
post #1700 of 1788
Try something like this (they have them in stock at Fry's Electronics if you live near one):

Electric-Fiberglass-Wire-Pull-Rods





If you are running the wire up the walls, you will have a fire stop at 48". To get through this, you will have to cut a section out of the drywall above and below the stud and drill a hole for the wires to run through. Patching of the wall can be done after you project is complete. The same goes for the ceiling joists if you run them that way.

Try YouTube as well:


post #1701 of 1788
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Originally Posted by kelemvor View Post

We're mounting our TV above a direct vent fireplace. Anyone know if there'd be any problem with heat from the fireplace affecting the speakers from inside the wall at all? I don't know how much heat would radiate out from the "box" of the fireplace that might go up into the wall cavity area.

I was planning on using two of the 6.5" (4100) speakers on either side of the fireplace and the center speaker (4881) below the TV. I had never considered putting the center speaker ABOVE the TV but if that'd make more sense, I'd be open to that as well.

Attached is a quick mock up I made in some planning software. We'd have the TV as low as we could so we aren't craning our necks but I don't have exact dimensions of anything since none of it exists yet.



Thanks.

The center above the TV will work great. As far as the temps, I suggest punching a small hole in the wall where the speakers will go, insert a thermometer, run the fireplace for 1 - 2 hours at max to get the enclosure heated up, then measure the heat.

You shouldn't have any issues as the fireplace vents are double wall insulated (if done properly in a newer home). You can also surround the speakers with fireproof insulation as a baffle. That should also prevent excess heat from affecting the speakers.
post #1702 of 1788
If anyone ends up with an extra 7604 let me know. In the market but only need one.

Thanks!
post #1703 of 1788
Question!

I'm running the following 5.1 setup. Can you guys tell me which setting to run my speakers on? I see little switches on the speakers themselves, but don't know what to switch them to?

Front Left/Right (2) 6816
Center 4881
Rear Surrounds (2) 4104
post #1704 of 1788
I left all of mine at 0.
That switch is (more or less) for systems that cannot adjust the output settings on the receiver.
With my Onkyo, I ran the Audyssey to automatically correct for any differences in sound.
It was a lot more accurate than jumping down 3db or 6db.

If one of your speakers is drastically closer than the others, you may be able to accelerate the adjustments by cutting the dbs manually but, as I said before, it's best to leave it to the machine.

Hope this helps.
post #1705 of 1788
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Originally Posted by joshua.jones View Post

I left all of mine at 0.
That switch is (more or less) for systems that cannot adjust the output settings on the receiver.
With my Onkyo, I ran the Audyssey to automatically correct for any differences in sound.
It was a lot more accurate than jumping down 3db or 6db.

If one of your speakers is drastically closer than the others, you may be able to accelerate the adjustments by cutting the dbs manually but, as I said before, it's best to leave it to the machine.

Hope this helps.

Thanks, my Yamaha V661 has the mic also, so I'll just run that and leave the speakers at 0.

Is polyfil recommended in back of the speakers?
post #1706 of 1788
I didn't use any behind the 4 on the walls as they had insulation around them anyway.
On my front three, as they are installed in an area with open attic space behind them, I bought some MDF and built boxes around them.
This really helped direct the sound out towards the room and didn't allow it to escape into the attic space (also helps due to the fact that all of our bedrooms also share that attic space).
If your walls are not insulated, you may think about adding some poly to them before installing but, keep in mind, wall speakers are designed around this fact so it may not be necessary at all.
I just like to know that the sound is "going in the right direction."
post #1707 of 1788
After much deliberation, I got my home theater setup and I thought I would share what I learned regarding the MP speakers. First, a little background.

I moved into a house with an unfinished basement 2 years ago. I decided to do in wall speakers when i finished it since I don't use them often and didnt want tower's taking up floor space. I decided to go with MP 8" 2 ways up front (4101), along with the micro flange center channel (6317). I found the 8" speakers severely lacking bass, and didn't care for the sound the center channel produced. And they are installed in an exterior wall with insulation. But, with a subwoofer, they served me well since I don't use them often.

Earlier this year, a new job took me to another new house with another unfinished basement. I wanted to go with in wall speakers again since my wife and I loved the look, but I thought I would try some different models. This time, I ended with the 3 way 8" (6816) for the front and dual woofer 6.5" (7604) for the center. The wall they are mounted in is an interior wall with 24" stud spacing (cheap builder...). I stuffed some fiberglass insulation in the wall cavities to attempt to muffle the sound on the opposite room. Once I got them wired up, they are worlds better than the 2 ways! Plenty of bass from the fronts, and much improved sound from the dual woofer 6.5" than the previous center channel speaker. The bass is so much better that I hardly use my (small) sub. Most people would still want a sub, but I have small kids who I prefer stay asleep.

As for comparing the 7604 to the 6816, the 6816 puts out way more bass, but I think the 7604 is a little clearer. In my experience, all of the MP I have used get harsh at high volumes.

Bottom line, I was not thrilled with the setup in my last house, but my current setup I am completely happy with. Hope this helps someone else out there. I apologize for typos, on a mobile device.
post #1708 of 1788
The only reason I'm curious about insulation or polyfill is because I want to dampen the sound in the next room. Will that help and if so, which is better insulation or polyfill? About about putting sound deadening on the inside wall?
post #1709 of 1788
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Originally Posted by Air Supply View Post

The only reason I'm curious about insulation or polyfill is because I want to dampen the sound in the next room. Will that help and if so, which is better insulation or polyfill? About about putting sound deadening on the inside wall?

Neither. Reducing sound transmission is whole different thing than cutting down reflections. Usually the rooms are built with the necessary features put right into the walls.

http://home.howstuffworks.com/home-improvement/repair/block-neighbor-noise1.htm
post #1710 of 1788
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

Neither. Reducing sound transmission is whole different thing than cutting down reflections. Usually the rooms are built with the necessary features put right into the walls.

http://home.howstuffworks.com/home-improvement/repair/block-neighbor-noise1.htm

Hmm, I can't just add another layer of sheetrock. So, what are my options?
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