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post #1711 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Air Supply View Post

Hmm, I can't just add another layer of sheetrock. So, what are my options?
Aside from major structural work there's nothing you can do to stop bass transmission. Insulation in the walls will damp the midrange and highs, but even six inches of fiberglass will have no effect below 100Hz. Neither will so-called sound deadening boards. Stopping bass requires staggered double studded walls and at least an inch of sheet rock on either side. Single stud walls will transmit the bass through the studs, and a half inch of sheet rock doesn't stop bass, it radiates it.
post #1712 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

Aside from major structural work there's nothing you can do to stop bass transmission. Insulation in the walls will damp the midrange and highs, but even six inches of fiberglass will have no effect below 100Hz. Neither will so-called sound deadening boards. Stopping bass requires staggered double studded walls and at least an inch of sheet rock on either side. Single stud walls will transmit the bass through the studs, and a half inch of sheet rock doesn't stop bass, it radiates it.

Hey Bill. Thanks for the reply.

That's good to know. I guess I'll just tough it out then.
post #1713 of 1791
Alright, I am building a house to be done by the end of the year. The house was currently pre-wired for two speakers and 1 volume control at the rear patio and
two speakers and 1 colume vontrol on the second story loft. I went in and added two speaker in the 1st story great room which I will use for surround L/R speakers. I am looking at getting four 8" (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10837&cs_id=1083703&p_id=4104&seq=1&format=2&ref=cj) speakers for the in ceilings (both in the great room and loft) and two (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10904&cs_id=1090405&p_id=6971&seq=1&format=2) for the two outside speakers. I have a sub and front L/C/R speakers now. Am I thinking along the right lines for speakers or do I need something a little better for the great room surround speakers? The loft and patio speakers will mostly be for playing music.

Floor plan Rev 1.pdf 108k .pdf file


post #1714 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Air Supply View Post

Hmm, I can't just add another layer of sheetrock. So, what are my options?
They make sound board for this type of application. It is a very dense fiber material. It gets installed like sheetrock, then metal spacers are insalled on top of it, then sheetrocks is installed and mounted to the metal spacers perpendicular to the orientation of the sound board. We had a contractor do it for us when we finished off our basement. He recommended its use on ceilings when the floor above is a hardwood floor to deaden the noise from people walking.

I think this was the material. Maybe something different.
http://www.buildgp.com/product.aspx?pid=1071
post #1715 of 1791
If adding a second layer of drywall is a consideration, you might consider the use of "Green Glue" between the layers of drywall.

http://www.greengluecompany.com/
post #1716 of 1791
First off thank you all for this wonder thread. It has taken me more than a week, but I have read the entire thread.

I currently have a Denon AVR2313 Running 5.1 system that is made up of a hodge podge of speakers. I have a set of 12" 3 way floor speakers for L/R, a satellite for center, and two satellites for the rears. The center and rear are mounted on the wall. The LCD is mounted above the fireplace. I have contemplated many different speaker options including the mp in wall and in ceiling speakers. My concern is we use the stereo for music every weekend. The floor speakers sound great and get loud. I am concerned in walls will not hold up in comparison. Any thoughts or opinions?

Does anyone use their 5.1 for music as well? What are your speakers of choice? How do you accomplish this equipment wise?

I also use the AVR zone 2 to drive a speaker selector for 8 zones. This is a temporary setup until I can find the best way to complete a finished whole house audio system. Again I have looked at many options but can't find the right pieces. The multi zone controllers are very expensive and I am not sure what to get here. I want to complete the work myself so no control4, etc. I want to use iPhone to control. My speakers for this include outdoor in three areas, three bookshelf sets, and two additional satellite pairs. Again, this is all temporary until i can decide on the speakers for each room. I keep going back in forth for the audio only rooms between 6" and 8". My wife is not thrilled about large obtrusive speakers in the ceiling. But I do not want it to sound hollow because they are to small. No room will have a sub. What are the most room filling speaker options?

Just as a note, I have had two professional installer estimates and they ranged from 23k to 27k. Of course the speakers were not monoprice, but rather speaker craft, paradigm, and niles. I would REALLY appreciate any and all suggestions. Just to be clear I have NO intention of spending anywhere near that much on my system. However I do know the multiroom controller will be the most expensive piece.
post #1717 of 1791
Yeah, I guess you probably can't power 16 speakers using the zone 2 amp. Seems there'd be a powerful enough amp that can push all of them, and then you just run some line-level knobs in each room and control them there. I use iRule but honestly a little knob next to the light switch would be fine for the whole house system. The automation doesn't have to control them separately, just the amp.

I'm running some monoprice in wall speakers for my 5.1 setup and they sound like **** at high volumes, distortion, rattle, etc. For normal use they are ok.

I'm running a 5.1+projector, 2.1+tv, and zone 3 audio all off my Denon amp btw. And different sources through them all at the same time. On the cheap! I could probably run 4 speakers (2 rooms) safely off zone 3 and maybe add some line level knobs to control them separately.
post #1718 of 1791
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Originally Posted by CentralCoaster View Post

Yeah, I guess you probably can't power 16 speakers using the zone 2 amp. Seems there'd be a powerful enough amp that can push all of them, and then you just run some line-level knobs in each room and control them there. I use iRule but honestly a little knob next to the light switch would be fine for the whole house system. The automation doesn't have to control them separately, just the amp.

I'm running some monoprice in wall speakers for my 5.1 setup and they sound like **** at high volumes, distortion, rattle, etc. For normal use they are ok.

I'm running a 5.1+projector, 2.1+tv, and zone 3 audio all off my Denon amp btw. And different sources through them all at the same time. On the cheap! I could probably run 4 speakers (2 rooms) safely off zone 3 and maybe add some line level knobs to control them separately.

So do I have to add separate speakers in the living room and master (each have 5.1) to play music through? And I guess even more importantly the mono price would not work for WHA? We tend to crank the volume up on the weekends.
post #1719 of 1791
Got mine installed and painted. Had to cut and brace a stud so the center channel would fit. 8" 3 ways up front, the big center and 8" rears in the ceiling.

post #1720 of 1791
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Originally Posted by braves1fan77 View Post

So do I have to add separate speakers in the living room and master (each have 5.1) to play music through? And I guess even more importantly the mono price would not work for WHA? We tend to crank the volume up on the weekends.

That depends. Both rooms are fed by the Denon? Is your other 5.1 zone fed by the Denon zone 1 preouts, or by another amp the Denon is passing through?

For playing stereo music in my 5.1 zone I just use multi-stereo mode and I get stereo out of the FR,FL,RR,RL speakers to help fill the room. I just today in fact found I can seperately tune the speaker levels for stereo mode vs 5.1 mode. To keep them balanced. If you had some impressive LF,RF speakers I wouldn't bother, as the surrounds probably wouldn't be worth listening to.

I'm not sure how the 2nd 5.1 system fed by the preouts would work.

Now obviously if you want zone 1 and zone 2 to play the same source you've got to pick both of them individually. I have a button on my iRule screens that will expand the current source to my other zone(s). I'd think a big chunk of that contractor price is to do the automation. The iRule is definitely a DIY system, but it's pretty damn cool and customizable if you put the time into it (and use the feedback). It cost me about $200 for the full app and builder with feedbacks and 2 pieces of hardware to control my IR and network devices. Do you really need automated control of each speaker zone though? If not you can hook it all up to a stereo amp with enough power, and just use line level controls at each entrance next to the light switch. You can get a 12 channel amp for about $1K right? 1 of those and you've got 6 rooms covered. And you don't even necessarily need one with IR control. That's a cheap system.

As far as speakers, I can't answer that for you, depends on what you listen to and what your standards are. I'm sticking ceiling speakers in the office for my 3rd zone, she's content with crappy computer speakers so even a monoprice will be a nice upgrade for her.
post #1721 of 1791
I just bought 4 of the 4929 8 inch angled in-ceiling to use as side and rear surrounds. The grills look like they will be a challenge to remove. Just had a few questions for folks that have these.

1) Does everyone set the crossover switch (0db,-3db, -6db) at 0 and let the amp handle it?
2) If I can get the darned grill off (I was hoping to point the tweeters a little more in my seating position), I saw that one person removes the "dust cloth" that the Monoprice instructions say to replace. Does everyone really do that?

Thanks all - hoping these will work out.
post #1722 of 1791
They provide a tool to remove the grills. It's easy. No worries.

I left my settings at 0 and let my receiver handle the adjustments.
post #1723 of 1791
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Originally Posted by Air Supply View Post

They provide a tool to remove the grills. It's easy. No worries.

I left my settings at 0 and let my receiver handle the adjustments.

The grills on my 4929s were a bitch to remove with or without the tool. They were in there so tight that it bent the screen slightly around a few holes tugging on it just to get it started. That and the paint is too thick on most of it so you have to force the tool in. I'm gonna bend out the tabs a little so the next removal (while on a ladder) goes easier.

This of course after I get an exchange, the box was not packed well and took a nasty hit in transit. Broke the circuit board on one of the speakers right where the terminals go. Playing in mono mode now in zone 3, lol.

I will probably leave the white felt out of these. I left it in my wall speakers because they help cover up the bright yellow cones. IDK why the hell anyone would put bright color cones on an in wall speaker.

I'm not exactly a fan of monoprice right now. And my VGA connector for my projector has loose connections inside the plug. I found this out after fishing it through the wall.


I'm thinking I might set these at +3db. The Denon has way too many volume steps and makes it a long process to change the volume in irule. Increasing the speaker volume would mean using less volume steps on the receiver. I don't need 40 different volume levels!
Edited by CentralCoaster - 10/4/13 at 8:36pm
post #1724 of 1791
Setting it to +3 will increase the level of the tweeter not the level of the entire speaker. This will change the frequency response and make the speaker sound "brighter". This could be useful if the speaker is installed in a location that tends to absorb a lot of the high frequency sounds. Using the -3 position does just the opposite and could be used in a location with a lot of reflective surfaces that tend to make the speaker sound too "bright". I'd say that the best plan would be to experiment and figure out what you think sounds the best in your installation. Whatever works best is what works best.
post #1725 of 1791
great forum guys. has anyone used the 8 inch angled speakers (4929) across the front ( L C R )? the wife only wants ceiling speakers. would these angled to the seating area sound good as a front stage? has anyone done this?

thanks!
post #1726 of 1791
Yes, I have two setups, each with 5 4929s for L C R as well as rear speakers. Surprised how well it worked being ceiling speakers. Note the tweeters can be pointed as well to angle even further toward the sitting area. Happy with the directionality but didn't have enough bass though so I upgraded to a polk psw505 sub and it sounds good for both movies and listening to music.
post #1727 of 1791
I have 4929s in one of my rooms. I would not recommend them for use with video, I think the directional is still obvious they're on the ceiling. I guess the further back your viewing distance the better, but I think it would be distracting, especially the center channel vocals.
post #1728 of 1791
I watched TV again to make sure and the vocals do seem to come from the TV and not from above. Perhaps it's because of the large 65" TV which is higher and also forces the couch to be farther back away from the speakers. But the audio direction didn't seem to be a problem before I upgraded from the 50" TV.

I guess it depends on the room setup.
post #1729 of 1791
Yeah I guess it depends. Some people stick their TV way up high, it strains the neck to watch. I have my projector as low as possible, the bottom is 2 feet from the floor, would've went even lower if I didn't have to put the center channel below it. The screen about 5' high.
post #1730 of 1791

Anybody have an extra 7604 they want to sell?  I was planning on using it as a center channel.

post #1731 of 1791
Quick question as I'm intrigued on using these Monoprice speakers for my living room in a new house we are building.

Situation: Our living room is high 20-foot ceiling and open-back to the kitchen. I have a separate Media Room, so I'm not looking for this to be home theater quality - just want GOOD TV sound and decent surround sound. Planning on 5.1 and will have a good sub. Will occasionally listen to music through all speakers.

So my question: How do I decide which size/configuration of speakers from Monoprice? I see 8" 2-way, 8" 3-way, 6.5" 2-way, and 6.5" 3-way. Getting 5 of any of these are in my budget, but don't want to spend the money if it's overkill.

Thoughts on which to consider or factors that would/should determine my choice?
post #1732 of 1791
I have the 6035's in a 7.1 configuration with a 6317 as a center channel. I drive it with a Yamaha receiver and I have the Monoprice 12 inch subwoofer. I've had this for close to a year now and my room is about 25X16 with an 8ft ceiling. In my opinion the center channel is the most important speaker for TV or movie watching and I like the 6317 reasonably well. It does a good job with dialog. If my room was larger I think I would go with the 7604's all around including the center, I can't see how it would fail to satisfy.
post #1733 of 1791
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Originally Posted by 2ndvizio View Post

Yes, I have two setups, each with 5 4929s for L C R as well as rear speakers. Surprised how well it worked being ceiling speakers. Note the tweeters can be pointed as well to angle even further toward the sitting area. Happy with the directionality but didn't have enough bass though so I upgraded to a polk psw505 sub and it sounds good for both movies and listening to music.
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Hello, I know this is an older post but I just ordered the 4929s for my front R/L speakers since inceiling is my only option for my setup. Are you happy with using the 4929 as your center? My biggest concern is being able to hear the vocals when watching movies. And is there a certain distance from the couch to get the best sound from the speakers? Should the 4929s be placed closer to the tv? Or more towards the center (somewhere between the tv and the couch)?
post #1734 of 1791
I would recommend a compromise depending on your viewing distance and ceiling height. You want the perception that the sound is coming from the front, but the tweeter angle is limited and ideally it should be pointed towards your head.
post #1735 of 1791

If anyone is looking for a single Monoprice 7604 speaker please PM me. Thanks.

This is no longer availabe.
Edited by arkhi - 2/15/14 at 5:57am
post #1736 of 1791
Hi there,

I am looking for some help in choosing in-ceiling speakers. My room is probably about 17x20 with 8ft ceilings. We will be having recessed lights in the room as well.

We are mounting the TV over the fireplace. The fireplace wall is not square to the room, it is angled. I have basically no room for in wall speakers at the front, we will be using to TV and movie watching...

So I am thinking 6.5 or 8" in-ceiling speakers

I hear the 8" are best, but will 6.5 do the job with my size of room Thoughts ?

Also should I put some in wall speakers at the rear ? Or will this not sound too good.

I haven't decided on the sub yet. What cable is used for in-wall wiring for a sub ?

Thanks in advance any help would be greatly appreciated.

tiberius
post #1737 of 1791
Monoprice is a good place to get all the wiring you need. make sure its rated for in wall installation if you ever get it inspected.

keep in mind they also have in-wall subs that are supposed to be good.
post #1738 of 1791
Thanks - I already have the wire from Monoprice. I am wondering about the speakers, specifically - 4619 (6.5") or the 4929 (8")
post #1739 of 1791
It sounds like you are planning on using in cieling speakers as fronts. In that case I would definitely go with the 4929s.
post #1740 of 1791
I am rebuilding my theater and I've purchased the 7604's (Dual Woofer with Micro Flange In- Walls for my 4 surrounds and 2 wide speaker locations.

I want to build a cabinet for each of them to put in my columns. Has anyone build cabinets for them? Would you line the cabinets a bit or put in a bit of fill?

Also, has anyone else used these for surrounds and how were they? I know a few people have used them as mains and have liked them. I'm looking for feedback on these. I'm beginning to get second thoughts and have debated going DIY and building some Fusion 8's from DIYSoundgroup, but those will be nearly $200 a piece and I paid $320 for 6 of these from Monoprice.

I've not hooked them up yet to listen to them, so I'm looking for reviews here and specifically from anyone who put them in columns (with our without a cabinet)


Efficiency of the speakers should not be an issue for me, as I'm driving them with a Sherbourn Amp @ 350 W/Ch
Edited by Jeff in Canada - 1/18/14 at 5:03pm
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