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EA strikes back, Skate 2, Burnout 5, new NFS, and the ruination of Mass Effect.

post #1 of 50
2/12/08 at 5:59pm
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/6185908.html

Got to love EA, cannot wait to see the bastardization that will now be Mass Effect.
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post #2 of 50
2/12/08 at 6:30pm
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Noting that sales of last year's Need for Speed ProStreet didn't live up to EA's hopes for the game, Gibeau said he thinks it was because the series drifted too far from what consumers expected. ProStreet had dropped the tuner culture and police evasion aspects of previous installments in favor of perfectly legit closed track racing. For the next Need for Speed, Gibeau promised that the series would be getting back to its roots with a number of features, including open-world racing and a new highway battle mode.

Nice!

Thanks for the linky.
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post #3 of 50
2/12/08 at 6:31pm
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Its sad, I actually loved Pro Street and rather another version of it than Most Wanted or Underground.
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post #4 of 50
2/12/08 at 6:46pm
Awesome, what could have been an amazing epic Sci-Fi trilogy will now be just that and then bastardized with unnecessary new installments. Thanks EA!
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post #5 of 50
2/12/08 at 6:56pm
ROFL. BioWare will be left alone to do their thing and we now have a chance of getting the series on PS3, and you guys think it's bad news. Keep smokin' it boys.
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post #6 of 50
2/12/08 at 7:03pm
I pretty much come to the realization that any news from EA is bad news... they buy out their competion with the purchase of sports licences, purchase developers only to drive out the talent then force them to keep pumping out the same games year after year, and feed us excuses as to why they are still having trouble developing games for the ps3
Skate was a decent game, but knowing EA, they will somehow puchase the rights to use skateboards in videogames, forcing Tony Hawk out of the genre.
Also, I enjoyed Mass Effect, despite its flaws, but I would love to see more projects from BioWare then just Mass Effect 1-5
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post #7 of 50
2/12/08 at 7:08pm
Seriously? That's the best you can come up with? Skate is a breath of fresh air in a genre that is dominated by the Madden-like Tony Hawk. The suggestion that EA will somehow force TH/Activision out of the skateboard market is ludicrous. Skate outselling TH on next-gen consoles is the best thing that could have happened to push TH to be a better game.

Criterion/Burnout Paradise are a great example of EA doing something right (although the beginning was definitely rocky). EA has stated they intend to be more hands-off with acquisitions in the future; obviously that remains to be seen and needs to be proven though.

Anyway, sorry to derail the latest "EA SUXORRS AND ARE A BUNCH OF LAMERS!!!!" thread, please feel free to return to your latest whiny rant thread.
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post #8 of 50
2/12/08 at 7:52pm
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Originally Posted by Abaddon View Post

ROFL. BioWare will be left alone to do their thing and we now have a chance of getting the series on PS3, and you guys think it's bad news. Keep smokin' it boys.


No there not, he confirmed that Bioware's original plan to do a trilogy is scrapped and that it will now be a unending franchise. If they were going to leave Bioware to do their own thing, they would of done so and kept it as Bioware's planned Trilogy, instead of making it one of their keystone franchises as they have now done.
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post #9 of 50
2/12/08 at 8:21pm
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No there not, he confirmed that Bioware's original plan to do a trilogy is scrapped and that it will now be a unending franchise. If they were going to leave Bioware to do their own thing, they would of done so and kept it as Bioware's planned Trilogy, instead of making it one of their keystone franchises as they have now done.

How do you figure? Sounds like they're releasing the original 3 and then continuing on from there. I don't think there's anything saying that games past the third one would involve the same characters or story inside the universe that is created. [sarcasm]This plan has really ruined Square Enix and Final Fantasy in a lot of peoples' eyes, so that precedent should absolutely be ignored.[/sarcasm]

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From the very first time now EA-owned developer BioWare showed it off in 2005, the role-playing game franchise was touted as a trilogy. Gibeau's presentation today suggested it may not end there. He told analysts that it "will be a franchise for [EA] for a very long time."
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post #10 of 50
2/12/08 at 8:27pm
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How do you figure? Sounds like they're releasing the original 3 and then continuing on from there. I don't think there's anything saying that games past the third one would involve the same characters or story inside the universe that is created. [sarcasm]This plan has really ruined Square Enix and Final Fantasy in a lot of peoples' eyes, so that precedent should absolutely be ignored.[/sarcasm]


Its the idea of the thing, EA is now forcing Bioware to do something that they did not plan on, and this could impact the series. Will BW keep their plan as is, or will they now release water downed versions of ME 2 and 3 so that they can stretch out the series. Or worse let, will EA just farm it out to someone else. These are things to keep in mind. ME is not FF, FF was planned to be one game and after its success, the series continued on but as totally seperate stories that have little to do with each other. ME on the other hand has set beginning, middle, and end story arc that will now have to be tampered with.
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post #11 of 50
2/12/08 at 8:56pm
The funny thing is that Bioware teamed up with Pandemic in the first place to create a large, powerful developer that would not need to be acquired. Unfortunately, they didn't count on good old John Riccitello to leave Elevation Partners (a PE firm that funded BIoware-Pandemic) for EA and take a lot more than just his office chair with him.

Riccitello has recently said EA screwed up in the past handling their acquired developers, and are now doing things differently. I can see evidence of this, Criterion has been left more or less alone (though they don't sell Renderware anymore, obv, but they don't need to). I am still highly highly skeptical but I think it's too early to say MASS EFFECT RIP.
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post #12 of 50
2/12/08 at 9:03pm
Since when do the words "suggested" and "may not" turn into "Bioware will have umpteen sequels?"
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post #13 of 50
2/12/08 at 9:13pm
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Since when do the words "suggested" and "may not" turn into "Bioware will have umpteen sequels?"

Is this really a honest question? Seriously, anyone that has been gaming even 10 years knows that when EA "suggest" we may see more of a series, we can expect 20,000 sequels to it just based on what EA's history has shown us. But look on the bright side, with EA behind it now, ME2 is sure to have some awesome EA Trax stuff on it. Nothing like visiting the Citadel in in the Normandy, while Avril Lavigne pumps out the ships speakers.
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post #14 of 50
2/12/08 at 9:29pm
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Is this really a honest question? Seriously, anyone that has been gaming even 10 years knows that when EA "suggest" we may see more of a series, we can expect 20,000 sequels to it just based on what EA's history has shown us. But look on the bright side, with EA behind it now, ME2 is sure to have some awesome EA Trax stuff on it. Nothing like visiting the Citadel in in the Normandy, while Avril Lavigne pumps out the ships speakers.

I know this may sound like an amazingly novel idea, but how about we wait and see what happens?

This forum has turned into ladies playing bridge and reading gossip magazines instead of good video game discussion.
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post #15 of 50
2/12/08 at 9:31pm
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I know this may sound like an amazingly novel idea, but how about we wait and see what happens?

This forum has turned into ladies playing bridge and reading gossip magazines instead of good video game discussion.

Except in this case, the gossip as it applies to EA is 100% correct, you name me a decent selling EA series that they haven't whored out and I'll eat my cat.
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post #16 of 50
2/12/08 at 9:44pm
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Except in this case, the gossip as it applies to EA is 100% correct, you name me a decent selling EA series that they haven't whored out and I'll eat my cat.

Not saying that they haven't, but contrary to popular belief, videogames are a business. Name me any franchise that does well that doesn't pump out a sequel to try and keep the ball rolling.
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post #17 of 50
2/12/08 at 9:53pm
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Not saying that they haven't, but contrary to popular belief, videogames are a business. Name me any franchise that does well that doesn't pump out a sequel to try and keep the ball rolling.

Now this is true, my concern is that instead of allowing Bioware to really work on the sequals and fleshing them out and letting the series it evolve, they will do their usual BS and try to push one out every year. For some types of games like Racers and Sports, this can sorta of work, but ME is a massive RPG that takes place in a fully realized world and RPGs like this by nature take years of development to really be quality, so I am hoping EA realizes that a new one every year isn't going to work.
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post #18 of 50
2/12/08 at 10:02pm
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Now this is true, my concern is that instead of allowing Bioware to really work on the sequals and fleshing them out and letting the series it evolve, they will do their usual BS and try to push one out every year. For some types of games like Racers and Sports, this can sorta of work, but ME is a massive RPG that takes place in a fully realized world and RPGs like this by nature take years of development to really be quality, so I am hoping EA realizes that a new one every year isn't going to work.

Well, it took several posts in this thread, but you did manage to get to something sensible. Yes, if EA tries to force Bioware to churn out sequels without giving them reasonable time then it will be a failure, for sure. I will take a "wait and see" approach instead of a "woe, the sky is falling" approach, personally.
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post #19 of 50
2/13/08 at 5:28am
yeah ea sux...
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post #20 of 50
2/13/08 at 5:50am
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Originally Posted by Abaddon View Post

Well, it took several posts in this thread, but you did manage to get to something sensible. Yes, if EA tries to force Bioware to churn out sequels without giving them reasonable time then it will be a failure, for sure. I will take a "wait and see" approach instead of a "woe, the sky is falling" approach, personally.

Agreed. Can it suck? Of course.


But, chicken little scenarios are not very becoming and lead to needless agita.
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post #21 of 50
2/13/08 at 6:07am
Well, hopefully they are referring to Mass Effect universe licensed games. I'd love to see a space combat game based in that world. There is so much detail about space combat stuck in the codex I can only imagine Bioware had some aspirations for that anyway. I can also see a RTS game as well as a mass effect themed version of puzzle quest (only slightly joking about that last one, puzzle quest is an AWESOME game .
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post #22 of 50
2/13/08 at 6:23am
I dislike alot of the things EA has done to the video game industry but recently I had to applaud them for standing up for Bioware and Mass Effect against Fox News and other idiots that were spreading all the misinformation about the game.

Hopefully Bioware will still be able to produce/design Mass Effect the way they want...and EA can handle all the BS business and publishing side of things.

But yesterdays announcement of Mass Effect being ported to the PC has EA written all over it.
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post #23 of 50
2/13/08 at 7:02am
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But yesterdays announcement of Mass Effect being ported to the PC has EA written all over it.

Yeah, because Microsoft Game Studios never ports 360 games to the PC... oh, except Halo... oh and Halo 2... er, then there was GeOW...

Seriously, there's plenty you can come up with to diss EA legitimately, and you guys keep coming up with this junk?
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post #24 of 50
2/13/08 at 7:09am
I don't have a 360 and I don't want to spend 400 dollars on one just to play 3 games, namely Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Gears of War (and I've already played every one of those except Mass Effect), so any news of it coming to a different platform is better than no news at all. I agree that EA has a way of destroying franchises, but it should at least be good for a couple more installments. Still not sure it will be on PS3, though, probably not. EA has a way of porting trash onto PS3, anyway.
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post #25 of 50
2/13/08 at 7:12am
I didn't want Pro Street because the demo was uncontrollable! I couldn't keep a car going straight, and trying to turn in the right direction was futile.
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post #26 of 50
2/13/08 at 7:15am
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Originally Posted by Abaddon View Post

Well, it took several posts in this thread, but you did manage to get to something sensible. Yes, if EA tries to force Bioware to churn out sequels without giving them reasonable time then it will be a failure, for sure. I will take a "wait and see" approach instead of a "woe, the sky is falling" approach, personally.

They sure gave Spore plenty of time.
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post #27 of 50
2/13/08 at 8:23am
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They sure gave Spore plenty of time.

I think that's because Will Wright made the best selling PC game ever and has made EA billions of dollars literally. Bioware... has not done that.
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post #28 of 50
2/13/08 at 8:28am
mass market effect here we come
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post #29 of 50
2/13/08 at 9:05am
A little info about EA that people might be interested in knowing.

I studied computer science in college here in Orlando...EA has a software development office (mostly doing EA Sports, Madden related work) locally.

So EA is one of the more popular places where folks like me looked toward when we were getting ready to graduate or looking for co-op work, etc.

I personally ended up working in military simulation development, however several of my friends applied for and some took jobs as software designers for EA. The longest anyone of those folks lasted was 1year. Working "conditions" at EA are horrible compared to what software engineers are used to elsewhere.

There is a reason EA has pretty much become a publisher instead of a game designing company. Over the past several years they have lost alot of their "homegrown" software development talent. They seem to no longer be growing talent inhouse and instead buying up smaller game design companies.

I am saying all this because...I hope EA does not take a very involved role in how Bioware does its job from a technical standpoint. It would be bad for the folks at bioware..and the ultimate result would be less and less qualified software designers working for BW and EA.

Same applies to some of the other companies EA has acquired.
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post #30 of 50
2/13/08 at 9:14am
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I think that's because Will Wright made the best selling PC game ever and has made EA billions of dollars literally. Bioware... has not done that.

EA gave Criterion plenty of time to develop Burnout Paradise from scratch. EA has also recently delayed Warhammer Online (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6182177.html), Battlefield: Bad Company and Mercenaries 2: World in Flames, all to ensure quality releases.

Oh yeah, on Mass Effect being ported to PC: it's going to release in May 2008, which means EA had nothing to do with the port as it clearly must have started well before EA acquired BioWare.

Honestly, the amount of FUD on this forum is unreal.
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