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LG 32LC7D hdmi and xbox 360 problem

post #1 of 19
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I just bought an LG 32LC7D a week ago and my xbox 360 has an hdmi port and everything goes fine until i try to play a dvd or any copyrighted downloads from live marketplace. The screen will go blank and no sound. eventually i found that changing input and coming back and i'd get 'HDCP link restored' on screen and find the show had been playing for some time already. Oddly i found it only has this problem when i run the xbox in 720p or higher.. 480p doesn't have this problem, but it's a pain to switch back and forth.

i have also taken my xbox 360 to the dealer where i got my tv to try their disply model tv and it has the same problem, and tried the x360 on another tv i had been interested in the LG 32LB4D, and dvd playback worked fine in 720p.

i'm wondering if anyone else has encountered this issue, or any idea what can be done. Hoping it wouldn't be a problem with connectivity to other things such as ps3 or dvd players (don't own either yet)
I've thought about exchanging my tv for the LB4D model, except i noticed that it seems to make xbox look like crap, especially in dynamic picture mode. it seems to make areas look dithered. I didn't have much time to play with color settings, but default it doesn't look near as beautiful as the 32lc7d

also my LG 32lc7d is october 2007 manufacture date
post #2 of 19
If you have this setting...

Menu/Option/Input Label/ try setting the HDMI port to PC or GAME for the XBox. Set the input label for DVD to DVD.
post #3 of 19
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doesn't appear to help for playing dvd's from the xbox.
i will note that hdmi input from someone else's dvd player seemed to work fine thru hdmi when i tried that the other day, but i'm sure it only ran 480p mode. which the tv never had a problem with.

when playing video from xbox over component cables it'll shift from 720p down to 480p and i have to use the tv to stretch the video. when running over hdmi from the dashboard at 720p and into dvd i believe it stays in 720p, no stretching needed when i change input to tv and back to hdmi (how i get it to ever work)
post #4 of 19
You might check & try the firmware update for the TV http://us.lgservice.com/vchip_html/V..._your_set.html and also check for upgrades to the XBox. HDCP has been a PITA for many people, especially those connecting PCs to TVs.

For the LB4D... dynamic picture mode is crap on all LGs - dunno why they bothered, unless that's a "shop" mode. If you get to play with it again, look for a "Just Scan" mode in the Aspect Ratio settings to see if that fixes it.
post #5 of 19
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hrm looks like my firmware is current..
welp i may take this one back after playing with color settings on the other set to make sure i'd be happy with how it looks

interesting to find this set looks like it's running linux, that explains a few things, like why it takes a few seconds to turn it on
post #6 of 19
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while we're discussing LG, does anyone feel that LG has more input lag than others? do any other brands handle input lag faster (without game mode)?
i've had some ppl (namely walmart employees) saying LG makes the worst sets

i have noticed a difference, it seems harder to play games like call of duty 4 making a transition to lcd from a crt

and has any other LG users with my model noticed the same problems with hdmi?
post #7 of 19
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while we're discussing LG, does anyone feel that LG has more input lag than others? do any other brands handle input lag faster (without game mode)?

Any "mode" which needs frame buffering, e.g. Samsung's AMP and possibly Trumotion used by LG (dunno who Trumotion belongs to but I noticed that the new Samsung sets list a feature called Trumotion, so it's possibly the VP maker's trademark but I can't find any info on that) is going to cause delay. In general, the more video processing that gets done, the higher the delay.

As for Linux, I think that many/most(?) sets are using Linux for the MICOM OS.
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i've had some ppl (namely walmart employees) saying LG makes the worst sets

Do you really want an answer to that?
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i have noticed a difference, it seems harder to play games like call of duty 4 making a transition to lcd from a crt

Do you mean CRT->TV? For LCDs there is no general rule. There are LCD monitors, among the most expensive, which are useless for gaming but have accurate color rendition which is now close to the best CRTs; for gaming, we now have the pollution of the LCD market with a bunch of TN+film LCDs with 2ms response which make no attempt to satisfy color criteria.

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and has any other LG users with my model noticed the same problems with hdmi?

The problem with HDMI is HDCP, which is a half-baked turd of a "standard". Say thank you to Sony for that, which is one of the main reasons that I refuse to even consider their products... having purchased nothing but Sony CRT TVs for >30 years.
post #8 of 19
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ok.. so using 120hz mode on the lb4d series would actually cause more problems with display/input lag playing fast shooters?

am i better off keeping the 32LC7D, or is LB4D somehow better all around?
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by phreaked View Post

ok.. so using 120hz mode on the lb4d series would actually cause more problems with display/input lag playing fast shooters?

am i better off keeping the 32LC7D, or is LB4D somehow better all around?

Not sure about the LB4D but the LB5D (later models) has an aspect ratio setting called "Just Scan" which does a one-to-one pixel mapping to the screen so setting the source to 1366x768 should turn off any buffering and minimize any video processing. There's also the PC label for the input source, which is supposed to turn off any Trumotion according to my LBX manual.
post #10 of 19
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k, well which series is technically newer? LB4D, LB9D, or LC7D? to me it seems lb4d and lb9d would be older by the lettering and number.
but it may not be the case. i think i've seen somewhere that lc7d only has 1.2a hdmi and lb4d and lb9d are 1.3a
post #11 of 19
The LB9DF which is sold in the U.S. as LBX is the newest - released in Sept. '07. The rest I'm not sure of but I believe that the LB5D and LB4D were released about this time last year - the LC7D was not on my radar so no idea when it first appeared.
post #12 of 19
The LC7D is a 2006 model if memory serves.

I remember seeing it very early last year on special in local electronics stores here in Canada.

I believe my friend has a 26LC7D which is a 720p/1080i set. I went through his settings but did not find any "Just Scan" options.

Regards,

10e
post #13 of 19
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yah, my tv only has a 'set by program' mode.. it's as close as i can get it to 'just scan' that i've seen.. thought all LG's have that mode, don't think i've seen any with a just scan actually... thinking of going back to the dealer to possibly exchange my tv, and actually use my xbox in 480i mode thru classic video input to check the lag and see if there is a way to get the image on any sets to not interpolate to take up the full height of the screen.
one cool features this tv does have is video out (not lagged either).. so i can connect another tv to see if it's faster/slower than what i already have. that's how i was able to really see how bad input lag was at first when i set a normal tv beside the lcd and played a game.. a video splitter would do the same but i'd probably irritate the saleman hooking up several tv's to the older composites
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by phreaked View Post

yah, my tv only has a 'set by program' mode.. it's as close as i can get it to 'just scan' that i've seen.. thought all LG's have that mode, don't think i've seen any with a just scan actually

If you check the LB5D thread, from about Sept '07 build date they have Just Scan in the Aspect Ratio Menu; apparently older sets are not upgradeable by firmware for Just Scan so it's likely a hardware update. The LB5Ds are selling at greatly reduced prices so that might be your best route now.

My October 2007 build 42LBX does not have a Just Scan mode but it does have the PC Input Label which is supposed to do 1:1 pixel scan for the RGB-PC input... which I'd think the LC7D would have too.
post #15 of 19
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i just don't think i want anything larger than a 32" tho, don't really have the space for anything larger as it's in my kinda cramped bedroom
post #16 of 19
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i just took my xbox360 into a tv store and ran it in 480i mode and video split to test which tv's do better (the LG 32lc7d has a video out so comparing to it makes it easy)
my finding is that LG lcd's, inlcuding their plasma models have very bad lag compared to the rest, i was able to test a hitachi 50 inch plasma, LG 50 inch plasma, LG 32lc7d, LG 32lb4d, toshiba regza 32" lcd 67u series, and sony 32" lcd s3000.

i ran call of duty 4 to compare by aiming at objects like a car and quickly trying to aim and shoot at something else several feet away and quickly back again. the slower tv's it's very hard to do and comparing side by side you can very easily see the differences. also note i hold my own with this game, with a lagless* crt tv i have very quick aim and don't miss or overshoot and can get into top 3 in any online game mode with experienced players, once i'm warmed up. a tv with a lot of lag however, will send me to the bottom everytime with maybe one kill

the 2 plasma's i wasn't able to video split, but trying them felt about as sloppy as my own LG 32lc7d. the 32lb4d diddn't seem to do any better, i forgot to turn off trumotion for the test, but it looked like it was a frame faster. the sony and the toshiba were way faster than the LG. nothing was run in a just scan mode. to my knowledge you can't even run 'just scan' in 480i over rca composite

monday i'll be taking my tv back and i may try testing the toshiba to the sony if i can get a hold of a real video splitter.. i'm planning to buy one of those 2 now. reason i care, is i'd like to play ps2 games, and plenty of other older systems with as little lag as possible. and trying to play something like baseball on my LG it is very hard to do, very noticable in a homerun showdown, instead of homeruns to deep left centerfield i hit foul balls to right side or strikes
post #17 of 19
Just bought an XBOX 360 Elite and I'm having the same issue with my LG LC7D model. using the HDMI port.

Any thoughts/suggestions?
post #18 of 19
has anyone solved this problem? I have had my xbox 360 and LG 32lc7d for quite a while. I haven't had problems since last night. I would have to switch from different modes(TV to HDMI) to get the HDCP link back.
post #19 of 19
So how does this lag effect regular hd tv or dvd playback.Im about to buy an LG but maybe I should think aGAIN.
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