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post #1051 of 2196
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Golfugh -

Out of curiousity, what was the amp / preamp being used with the Revels when you listened to them?

Tim

I heard the Studio 2 through an Integra pre/pro with Sherbourn 7/2100A amp, Kaleidescope audio/video server, and Synergistic Research Tesla cables.

The Salon2 was through Halcro dm 10 pre, dm 88 amp, EC 800 disc player, and Synergistic Research Tesla cables.

The Halcro stuff was awesome. Way out of my price range.

Take a look at the T+A electronics. I heard these in Miami on the Avalon Ascendants and Dynaudio Sapphires. I was thoroughly impressed with the T+A equipment. T+A electronics; A1530 amp, P1230R pre, and the Music Player - FLAC through an Apple server. The T+A gear tends to the warm side in a good way and the transport is rather nice.

Mark
post #1052 of 2196
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Originally Posted by golfugh View Post

Tim

I heard the Studio 2 through an Integra pre/pro with Sherbourn 7/2100A amp, Kaleidescope audio/video server, and Synergistic Research Tesla cables.

The Salon2 was through Halcro dm 10 pre, dm 88 amp, EC 800 disc player, and Synergistic Research Tesla cables.

The Halcro stuff was awesome. Way out of my price range.

Take a look at the T+A electronics. I heard these in Miami on the Avalon Ascendants and Dynaudio Sapphires. I was thoroughly impressed with the T+A equipment. T+A electronics; A1530 amp, P1230R pre, and the Music Player - FLAC through an Apple server. The T+A gear tends to the warm side in a good way and the transport is rather nice.

Mark

Thanks! Seems like the Studio2's were at a distinct disadvantage in terms of the quality of the gear driving them.

Heck, I've got mine running off of all Lexicon gear, and even I think that there is room for improvement to my front end.

What do you plan on using to drive your new speakers?

Oh and thanks for the recommendation on the T+A gear.
post #1053 of 2196
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Originally Posted by golfugh View Post

I've got an audition set up for the KEF Reference 205/2 at Park Avenue Audio in NYC on Monday 18 Aug. This should wrap up my auditions and then it's down to making a decision....

Wish me luck
Mark

Awesome! Those speakers are also on my audition list. Does it ever stop?
post #1054 of 2196
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Thanks! Seems like the Studio2's were at a distinct disadvantage in terms of the quality of the gear driving them.

Heck, I've got mine running off of all Lexicon gear, and even I think that there is room for improvement to my front end.

What do you plan on using to drive your new speakers?

Oh and thanks for the recommendation on the T+A gear.

The Studio2's were at a disadvantage, but we went from PSB Synchrony One to the PL-300 to the Studio's on the same gear. The Salon2's were on their own setup.

I really liked the T+A electronics, as did the dealer - Gustavo. I just didn't care for their speakers.

Currently have Odyssey Mono Extreme SE+ (special) monoblocks and the Odyssey Candela tube pre. I've got an Odyssey HT-3 (3 channel amp) on preorder with an Extreme SE+ center channel to match the monoblocks. Pre/pro is on the horizon, when things are worked out.

Not to say this won't change in the future, but I've been very impressed with the Odyssey amps. I wouldn't get the base ones, but the extreme specials are phenomenal high current amps. They are remakes of the Symphonic Line German amps with all Symphonic Line caps. They just are not the best looking in the world.
post #1055 of 2196
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Awesome! Those speakers are also on my audition list. Does it ever stop?

Hopefully, this audition will allow me to make a decision. I'm down to the Salk HT-3, Revel Studio2, and depending on the audition the KEF 205/2. I like the fact I can get in-walls/in-celings for surrounds with the Revels and KEFs. If I go with the Salks I'll be looking for another companies in-wall or in-ceiling for surrounds??? That is my only issue with the Salks. Suggestions???

The Avalon's are out due to no matching center, that is a shame as it is a phenomenal speaker. Why they don't make I matching center I'll never know.

That doesn't mean I'll stop auditioning, I just won't be buying....I think.
post #1056 of 2196
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Originally Posted by golfugh View Post

The Studio2's were at a disadvantage, but we went from PSB Synchrony One to the PL-300 to the Studio's on the same gear. The Salon2's were on their own setup.

I really liked the T+A electronics, as did the dealer - Gustavo. I just didn't care for their speakers.

Currently have Odyssey Mono Extreme SE+ (special) monoblocks and the Odyssey Candela tube pre. I've got an Odyssey HT-3 (3 channel amp) on preorder with an Extreme SE+ center channel to match the monoblocks. Pre/pro is on the horizon, when things are worked out.

Not to say this won't change in the future, but I've been very impressed with the Odyssey amps. I wouldn't get the base ones, but the extreme specials are phenomenal high current amps. They are remakes of the Symphonic Line German amps with all Symphonic Line caps. They just are not the best looking in the world.

Small world. I've been over on he Audio Asylum Forum asking about how to get a smoother sounding midrange, and one of the suggestions was to go with the Odyssey line of amps. I may give them a try at some point, but I'm going to give the Bel Canto Ref1000's a shot first. Should have them next week sometime.

How does the sound of the Odyssey amps compare to more mainstream offerings like Parasound Halo? In other words, what were the sound qualities that drew you to the Odyssey amps. Also, what have you compared them to and what were the major differences? Sorry for the 20 questions. Just trying to narrow down my choices.
post #1057 of 2196
Tim
Please post your impressions of the Bel Canto's on the amp thread. I'd like to hear what you have to say. I've heard Rydenfan's Spectron and was very impressed. It be nice to hear more than just the Sterophile review on the Bel Canto's.
Mark
post #1058 of 2196
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Originally Posted by golfugh View Post

I've got an audition set up for the KEF Reference 205/2 at Park Avenue Audio in NYC on Monday 18 Aug. This should wrap up my auditions and then it's down to making a decision....

Wish me luck
Mark

What time? My office is near and mebbe I can eavesdrop.
post #1059 of 2196
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

What time? My office is near and mebbe I can eavesdrop.

I get into JFK the evening prior and am planning on heading over around 1100 AM. They were open to whatever time I can get there. I fly back out that evening and am flying all night so I need to catch a nap in the afternoon. (Too much information)

Let me know if a better time would work out for you. Hope you can make it, it would be nice to meet you Kal.
Mark
post #1060 of 2196
I will see how the day goes, but 11AM seems OK.

Kal
post #1061 of 2196
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Originally Posted by golfugh View Post

Tim
Please post your impressions of the Bel Canto's on the amp thread. I'd like to hear what you have to say. I've heard Rydenfan's Spectron and was very impressed. It be nice to hear more than just the Sterophile review on the Bel Canto's.
Mark

Will do. I have high hopes because they sure seem well-liked by many and the description of their sound is generally in line with what I'm after.
post #1062 of 2196
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Small world. I've been over on he Audio Asylum Forum asking about how to get a smoother sounding midrange, and one of the suggestions was to go with the Odyssey line of amps. I may give them a try at some point, but I'm going to give the Bel Canto Ref1000's a shot first. Should have them next week sometime.

How does the sound of the Odyssey amps compare to more mainstream offerings like Parasound Halo? In other words, what were the sound qualities that drew you to the Odyssey amps. Also, what have you compared them to and what were the major differences? Sorry for the 20 questions. Just trying to narrow down my choices.

Sorry missed your questions. To be honest I ordered the Odyssey's unheard...doh. After talking with Klaus, I was hooked, plus he had a 30 day return policy. They are extremely smooth in the midrange with a lot of lower end punch. The midrange is the biggest thing I've noticed over other electronics I've heard. The bass took a while, initially a bit bloated but with about 300 hours they are excellent. (Klaus admits the bass is bloated initially) Nothing harsh in their presentation. They are extremely cool running for an A/B amp. I've been impressed with their performance so far - clear, clean, with no glaring traits!

I haven't heard a lot of amps (trying to remember all I've heard), but I like them better than many I've auditioned: Anthem, Sherbourn, Carver/Sunfire, Musical Fidelity and would actually say Classe'. I felt the Classe' was outstanding, but a bit analytical as was the Carver/Sunfire and Musical Fidelity. The Anthem was extremely harsh.

The only other SS amp I've heard that I felt sounded close to the Odyssey was the NAD M25, but it doesn't have the bottom end umph of the Odyssey monoblocks, and I also felt it was a little rolled off in the highs. It is a 7 channel amp though.

Now the T+A's were extremely impressive, I felt better than the Odyssey's. Overall warm presentation with nothing harsh or bloated, with a lot of bottom end umph. I'd also say the Halcro was incredible and matched extremely well with the Salon2's, but they are way out of my price range.

I really liked the Spectron. Best I've heard in my limited experience. If I was in the amp market...I might be headed that way.

This is all my opinion and could have easily been affected by a lot of variables. I hope that all made sense.
Mark
post #1063 of 2196
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Small world. I've been over on he Audio Asylum Forum asking about how to get a smoother sounding midrange, and one of the suggestions was to go with the Odyssey line of amps.

Waaaa? I thought your system was completed and perfect? What happened?
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Originally Posted by golfugh View Post

Hopefully, this audition will allow me to make a decision. I'm down to the Salk HT-3, Revel Studio2, and depending on the audition the KEF 205/2. I like the fact I can get in-walls/in-celings for surrounds with the Revels and KEFs. If I go with the Salks I'll be looking for another companies in-wall or in-ceiling for surrounds??? That is my only issue with the Salks. Suggestions???

The Avalon's are out due to no matching center, that is a shame as it is a phenomenal speaker. Why they don't make I matching center I'll never know.

That doesn't mean I'll stop auditioning, I just won't be buying....I think.

If you end up preferring the Salk's, I am sure Jim could make something for you. I mean heck, the guys basically created an entirely new speaker and crossover for me, so I am sure he could work out in-ceiling surrounds. Speaking of which, why do you need in-ceiling/in-wall surrounds?

You've got a lot of fun ahead of you, as well as some seriously researching and thinking to do. In the end it will all be worth it. I wish you the best in finding the "one" that is right for you. And to answer my own question, it never ends.
post #1064 of 2196
Mark, wish you well on your listening to the Kefs, looks like your with good company that day

I am surprised you thought the Musical Fidelity was analytical, although I guess it could be a model I have not listened to.
Any chance you can remember the model of the MF and Classe gear, cheers bud.

DT
post #1065 of 2196
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Originally Posted by golfugh View Post

Sorry missed your questions. To be honest I ordered the Odyssey's unheard...doh. After talking with Klaus, I was hooked, plus he had a 30 day return policy. They are extremely smooth in the midrange with a lot of lower end punch. The midrange is the biggest thing I've noticed over other electronics I've heard. The bass took a while, initially a bit bloated but with about 300 hours they are excellent. (Klaus admits the bass is bloated initially) Nothing harsh in their presentation. They are extremely cool running for an A/B amp. I've been impressed with their performance so far - clear, clean, with no glaring traits!

I haven't heard a lot of amps (trying to remember all I've heard), but I like them better than many I've auditioned: Anthem, Sherbourn, Carver/Sunfire, Musical Fidelity and would actually say Classe'. I felt the Classe' was outstanding, but a bit analytical as was the Carver/Sunfire and Musical Fidelity. The Anthem was extremely harsh.

The only other SS amp I've heard that I felt sounded close to the Odyssey was the NAD M25, but it doesn't have the bottom end umph of the Odyssey monoblocks, and I also felt it was a little rolled off in the highs. It is a 7 channel amp though.

Now the T+A's were extremely impressive, I felt better than the Odyssey's. Overall warm presentation with nothing harsh or bloated, with a lot of bottom end umph. I'd also say the Halcro was incredible and matched extremely well with the Salon2's, but they are way out of my price range.

I really liked the Spectron. Best I've heard in my limited experience. If I was in the amp market...I might be headed that way.

This is all my opinion and could have easily been affected by a lot of variables. I hope that all made sense.
Mark

Thanks Mark! I have owned both the NAD Masters Series 7 Channel Amp and the Anthem A5 and looking back on it now, I really liked the NAD. I could sense an ease and smoothness in the NAD that wasn't in my system before it. I wouldn't call the Anthem harsh, but certainly sterile and slight sharp/bright. The differences seemed pretty minor to me back then, but my system wasn't the caliber back then that it is now. Now, I think those "subtle" qualities have become much more important to me.
post #1066 of 2196
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Waaaa? I thought your system was completed and perfect? What happened?

Well, in short, I got what I set out to get--technically perfect sound, but now I'm finding that it sounds like I'm doing some sort of lab experiment on the music rather than enjoying it. So while the speakers are perfect, the sound *system* is not. So now I am delving into the dark and twisted world of subjective audiophildum and will be auditioning new amps to see if I can inject a bit of "sweetness" and "liquidity" into the sound of my system. If that doesn't work, then maybe a tubed CD or even a tubed 2Ch preamp with HT bypass.
post #1067 of 2196
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Well, in short, I got what I set out to get--technically perfect sound, but now I'm finding that it sounds like I'm doing some sort of lab experiment on the music rather than enjoying it. So while the speakers are perfect, the sound *system* is not. So now I am delving into the dark and twisted world of subjective audiophildum and will be auditioning new amps to see if I can inject a bit of "sweetness" and "liquidity" into the sound of my system. If that doesn't work, then maybe a tubed CD or even a tubed 2Ch preamp with HT bypass.

That's what i got after treating my room, change amps and cables, and perfectly positioning my speakers. It sounds like i listen to my music in a lab or recording studio. Dry,sterile and uninvolving.
I think of tearing everything apart and going back to my old habits.
post #1068 of 2196
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Originally Posted by golfugh View Post

I get into JFK the evening prior and am planning on heading over around 1100 AM. They were open to whatever time I can get there. I fly back out that evening and am flying all night so I need to catch a nap in the afternoon. (Too much information)

Let me know if a better time would work out for you. Hope you can make it, it would be nice to meet you Kal.
Mark

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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

I will see how the day goes, but 11AM seems OK.

Kal

That would be very cool if you guys were able to meet up. I for one would be truly interested in both of your impressions.
post #1069 of 2196
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Well, in short, I got what I set out to get--technically perfect sound, but now I'm finding that it sounds like I'm doing some sort of lab experiment on the music rather than enjoying it. So while the speakers are perfect, the sound *system* is not. So now I am delving into the dark and twisted world of subjective audiophildum and will be auditioning new amps to see if I can inject a bit of "sweetness" and "liquidity" into the sound of my system. If that doesn't work, then maybe a tubed CD or even a tubed 2Ch preamp with HT bypass.

I knew I would get you into tubes one way or another

The NAD M25 is certainly a nice amp and could work well for you. I would also like to see Tim audition the Butler Audio 5150 Amp. It will certainly give you a different sound. As to what you would prefer, well that is another story...

http://www.butleraudio.com/tdb5150.php

As for a tube cd player that can play CD, SACD, and high-rez multi-channel I think the best choice would be the Modwright modified Denon 3910. An incredible piece.
post #1070 of 2196
Tim
I've mentioned it to you before. I agree with Rydenfan, you need a tube preamp... Don't buy an amp, get a Modwright LS 36.5 and place it in the chain for 2-channel music!!! So help me, you will not be disappointed! It will smooth out your midrange and provide you with an incredibly musical listening experience. I mean this wholeheartedly!
Mark
post #1071 of 2196
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

I knew I would get you into tubes one way or another

The NAD M25 is certainly a nice amp and could work well for you. I would also like to see Tim audition the Butler Audio 5150 Amp. It will certainly give you a different sound. As to what you would prefer, well that is another story...

http://www.butleraudio.com/tdb5150.php

As for a tube cd player that can play CD, SACD, and high-rez multi-channel I think the best choice would be the Modwright modified Denon 3910. An incredible piece.

Rydenfan; I agree. Imagine that. Tim if your going to buy an amp get the Butler. You need the tube sound and they also have a 30 day audition policy. Yes, I talked with them a lot before I bought the Odyssey's.
Mark
post #1072 of 2196
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Originally Posted by DulcetTones View Post

Mark, wish you well on your listening to the Kefs, looks like your with good company that day

I am surprised you thought the Musical Fidelity was analytical, although I guess it could be a model I have not listened to.
Any chance you can remember the model of the MF and Classe gear, cheers bud.

DT

DT
Here you go:

Classe' CDP-502, SSP-600 through a CA-5200 passively bi-amped.
Halcro dm 10 pre, dm 88 amp, EC 800 disc player.
Musical Fidelity A5 Integrated, A5 CDP
Mark
post #1073 of 2196
OK
I need some help. I've done absolutely no research/auditioning for in-ceiling/in-wall surrounds. If I decide on the Salk's which ones do I look at???

This is a WAF issue for those who've asked.

I've tried the Triad thread and haven't gotten any help. Seems if I'm not going all Triad they don't want to give you a hand. Any input?

Thanks
Mark
post #1074 of 2196
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

If you end up preferring the Salk's, I am sure Jim could make something for you. I mean heck, the guys basically created an entirely new speaker and crossover for me, so I am sure he could work out in-ceiling surrounds. Speaking of which, why do you need in-ceiling/in-wall surrounds?

You've got a lot of fun ahead of you, as well as some seriously researching and thinking to do. In the end it will all be worth it. I wish you the best in finding the "one" that is right for you. And to answer my own question, it never ends.

Nuance
I spoke with Jim and he will not do an in-ceiling/in-wall. He will make a "built in speaker floor to ceiling column with whatever veneer I want to place the HT-1's." Give him the exact measurements and he will build it, but won't do an in-celing/wall. Now we're getting into Revel $$$ territory. My wife said "you've got to be kidding , I'll give you the coffins, but not this."
Mark
post #1075 of 2196
Thread Starter 
Mark-
Ask Jim what he would prescribe. I know he has done some "on wall" one-offs, that would certainly pass the WAF... If you have a drop ceiling in your listening room, I am sure he could design an enclosure the same size as a tile for easy drop in. Or at least recommend a single driver to mount in ceiling... send him an e-mail and ask what he thinks about your situation. And, while your at it, ask him if there is any new news on the new HT3 woofers, for me. I feel bad bugging him so much but am anxious to get my speakers...

I look forward to reading about your KEF impressions.

Tim- I've gotta agree with these guys. pick up a tube pre, or MW transporter and go the server route... I'm a little surprised you haven't explored that option yet...

Have a great weekend-
Funk
post #1076 of 2196
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by golfugh View Post

My wife said "you've got to be kidding , I'll give you the coffins, but not this."
Mark

LOL.. guess you've already checked into it
post #1077 of 2196
Funk
I'll send him an e-mail and ask about the woofers, etc. I'm at a lose on the surrounds though. He has already stated he won't do an in-ceiling/wall. Solid drywall ceiling.
Mark
post #1078 of 2196
Thread Starter 
I talked with Dennis a bit about surrounds and still consider a pair of Jim and Dennis' MBOW1/CAOW1. Dennis voices everything in a similar fashion. Of course the best match would be the HT1. For in/wall ceiling stuff I am at a loss too. Not really an option for me, until I get my own house. I really think just about anything would be fine for movies, and would really only be concerned try to get an exact tone match for multi channel music (of which I have none).

Sorry I couldn't be more help...

-Funk
post #1079 of 2196
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Originally Posted by golfugh View Post

Tim
I've mentioned it to you before. I agree with Rydenfan, you need a tube preamp... Don't buy an amp, get a Modwright LS 36.5 and place it in the chain for 2-channel music!!! So help me, you will not be disappointed! It will smooth out your midrange and provide you with an incredibly musical listening experience. I mean this wholeheartedly!
Mark

I'm focusing on amps right now because I want everything that is played through my system to sound smoother and less analytical, even movies . . . and music that I listen to in Logic 7.

I'm not one of those guys that you see posting here that tells people that there are different expectations for the sound quality of an HT system vs. one for music. Movies have plenty of music in them, and just as important, the human voice. I want these things to sound just as natural and realistic in the movies I watch as I do in the music I listen to. I want it all to sound good . . . no, make that fantastic!

If I can't get the sound of my system to improve to my satisfaction with new amps, then I will resort to a 2CH preamp. But I am going to be kicking and scratching the whole way. I don't want to give up my Logic 7 for music.
post #1080 of 2196
Copy all, and no disagreement! Wish you all the luck.
Mark
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