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post #1921 of 2196
Very, very nice Funk. Extremely happy for you!
post #1922 of 2196
HOLY SMOKES! I didn't know about all the fancy front-end stuff you've been hiding. Nice, Funk.

But you still must answer THE most basic question, Greg. What does the gf think of them? (This could be critical to a long-term relationship, ya know?!)
post #1923 of 2196
I believe she is his wife and not GF, so he should be fine.
post #1924 of 2196
Those are glorious, funk! I love the new look. You made my day!

Congrats brother, and enjoy!
post #1925 of 2196
Congrats Funk, they're absolutely stunning.
post #1926 of 2196
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Mudslide View Post

HOLY SMOKES! I didn't know about all the fancy front-end stuff you've been hiding. Nice, Funk.

But you still must answer THE most basic question, Greg. What does the gf think of them? (This could be critical to a long-term relationship, ya know?!)

RJ-
she is indeed my wife, and I'm a pretty straight shooter so no GF on the side that I need to impress. My wife says that they are alright, she's a bit of a tough cookie. She was hoping to get rid of the speakers all together, not get new ones that are just as big as the old ones.

For all the hard time that she gives me, she is sure to let me know that as long as I am happy with "all this audio stuff," then that is all that matters because she really doesn't care, it's my "thing" not hers.

I am happy as a clam. A processor, a powerconditioner, and a bluRay still to go, and then some surrounds... ah, 2009

Thanks to everybody for the kind words.

drab: "...but don't you think they would sound a little better if you placed them at my house?"

LOL I had a nice laugh at that one, thanks

-Funk
post #1927 of 2196
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Originally Posted by funkmonkey View Post

The first thing I played turned out to be Erykah Badu, on CD through my Oppo 983, no pre-amp direct into the Halo. It sounded good, but not the amazing jaw dropping sound that I was hoping for, and the bass seemed a little lighter than I remembered. Well, I was a little let down and perplexed by this so, naturally I turned the volume up, and there was the bass that I remembered, very tight, very clean, and very deep. big smile from me Thirsty speakers.

My one guess is that RCA analog out from an OPPO 983 is marginal as a high-end source.

Cheers
post #1928 of 2196
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Originally Posted by funkmonkey View Post

heres some pics:

I see that 5-channel Parasound Halo A51 amp. You have it in an open cabinet, but am I correct in thinking that when you put your hands on the top and/or side fins that they're hot to the touch?

What is the efficiency of the speaker? i.e. dB at 1 meter for 1 watt.

FWIW, I've got a stereo A21 but I run it completely in the open; when I put my hands on it, it feels warm (almost but not quite hot).

Same question for hifisponge, as I remember you saying that you got the A51 from him. Of course, he runs forced air cooling in his closed cabinet.

Cheers
post #1929 of 2196
Hey Funk, is your electricity that inconsistent that you need a power conditioner?
I guess my only reasoning for getting such a device like a power conditioner would be that you have alot of varying power (up and down voltage swings) or brown outs, which would be better served with a surge protector...

This is a good post to start with... http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...tml#post139001

If I'm way off base, please excuse.....
post #1930 of 2196
Holy crap Funk!

My hats off to you (and Jim as well), very well thought out and well done. Even though the pics are beautiful, I cant imagine the difference when looking at them in person. That hand rubbed finish is next to impossible to capture.

Since I too own a pair of HT3's, no need for me to discuss the audio with you. Well, wait a sec.... I like to gloat.

A person really has to experience the sound because it really is impossible to put into words just how accurate and even "4 dimensional" (check out Roger Waters-Amused to death) these speakers can be until one hears them for themselves (provided a well recorded album, a good room and the equipment "chain" is golden).

Congratulation on your purchase, you have a lot to look forward to.

Mark
post #1931 of 2196
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Originally Posted by funkmonkey View Post

RJ-
she is indeed my wife,
-Funk

Oops. I'm gettin' so old Greg, I can't remember if I'm married.

Oh wait, now I remember!!
post #1932 of 2196
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Originally Posted by habnab View Post

I see that 5-channel Parasound Halo A51 amp. You have it in an open cabinet, but am I correct in thinking that when you put your hands on the top and/or side fins that they're hot to the touch?

What is the efficiency of the speaker? i.e. dB at 1 meter for 1 watt.

FWIW, I've got a stereo A21 but I run it completely in the open; when I put my hands on it, it feels warm (almost but not quite hot).

Same question for hifisponge, as I remember you saying that you got the A51 from him. Of course, he runs forced air cooling in his closed cabinet.

Cheers

When I had the A51, it was out in open between my speakers and it was "almost hot" to the touch. I think Funk will be fine with the A51 where he has it since the back of his cabinet is open.
post #1933 of 2196
Thread Starter 
The A51 only ever got warm with my previous speakers. Same, so far, with the HT3s. I just hooked them up to be bi-amped by 2 channels for each HT3, only got warm (not hot) while watching a movie with all five channels doing some work. Like Tim mentioned the back is open and the angled top moves the heat out of the space very well. The way it is wired now the front two heat sinks are pushing the bass of the L/R, back two are the mid/treble section L/R, and back is the center channel. I actually designed the enclosure around the minimum suggested space for breathing room according to Parasound.
post #1934 of 2196
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

Hey Funk, is your electricity that inconsistent that you need a power conditioner?
I guess my only reasoning for getting such a device like a power conditioner would be that you have alot of varying power (up and down voltage swings) or brown outs, which would be better served with a surge protector...

This is a good post to start with... http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...tml#post139001

If I'm way off base, please excuse.....

Not sure about that Warp, but I have been curious about them for a while now, most people seem to like their effect when they put them in place, and then there are others that say that they don't notice any difference... I'm going to pick up a Fluke meter one of these days to have in my tool box that should give me a pretty good idea of the exact voltage running through my lines and wether or not it needs to be "conditioned."

I'm using a surge protector now, just on a strip, but nearly everything I have heard about them is that they are crap and wear out over time. Luckily lightning is very uncommon here (shoot, rain is uncommon in LA) so I'm not too concerned about that, and nothing is going to protect from a lightning induced surge anyway.

Just like the whole speaker cable, and interconnect arguments, the power conditioners have their fans and their detractors.

-Funk
post #1935 of 2196
The only way to know is to listen for yourself and decide.
post #1936 of 2196
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

The only way to know is to listen for yourself and decide.

Agreed 100%
post #1937 of 2196
Thread Starter 
Just wanted to report that for a little while there I was thinking that the sound from my HT3/HTC combo was a little veiled... not true, at all. I was listening with the grills on!!!!!! :duh: Remove the grills and the highs shine! I honestly did not expect that much of a difference grills on/off. I know that it is recommended to listen with the grills off, but somehow I forgot and left them on... I removed them today and all I can say is WOW! I seriously did not think that it would make that much of a difference, but it does. It seems to be mainly the high frequencies that are affected by the grills, the mids and bass have been excellent with them in place. The mids actually seemed a little more pronounced that I remembered, but now the highs are much more crisp and clear. I am now hearing what I have been searching for with the grills removed... Nothing harsh, just pure neutral reproduction of the original recording. Awesome!

Get those grills off and listen naked!!!!!!

peace,
Funk
post #1938 of 2196
Yeah thats what you get with a good ribbon - flawless lifelike treble.
post #1939 of 2196
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Originally Posted by funkmonkey View Post

Just wanted to report that for a little while there I was thinking that the sound from my HT3/HTC combo was a little veiled... not true, at all. I was listening with the grills on!!!!!! :duh: Remove the grills and the highs shine! I honestly did not expect that much of a difference grills on/off. I know that it is recommended to listen with the grills off, but somehow I forgot and left them on... I removed them today and all I can say is WOW! I seriously did not think that it would make that much of a difference, but it does. It seems to be mainly the high frequencies that are affected by the grills, the mids and bass have been excellent with them in place. The mids actually seemed a little more pronounced that I remembered, but now the highs are much more crisp and clear. I am now hearing what I have been searching for with the grills removed... Nothing harsh, just pure neutral reproduction of the original recording. Awesome!

Get those grills off and listen naked!!!!!!

peace,
Funk

That totally echo's my experience as well, even though I have a completely different speaker. Get those grills off, unless told otherwise by the manufacturer!

I am glad you are enjoying your new babies. I can't get over how gorgeous they look. Yowzer!!
post #1940 of 2196
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Originally Posted by funkmonkey View Post

Just wanted to report that for a little while there I was thinking that the sound from my HT3/HTC combo was a little veiled... not true, at all. I was listening with the grills on!!!!!! :duh: Remove the grills and the highs shine! I honestly did not expect that much of a difference grills on/off. I know that it is recommended to listen with the grills off, but somehow I forgot and left them on... I removed them today and all I can say is WOW! I seriously did not think that it would make that much of a difference, but it does. It seems to be mainly the high frequencies that are affected by the grills, the mids and bass have been excellent with them in place. The mids actually seemed a little more pronounced that I remembered, but now the highs are much more crisp and clear. I am now hearing what I have been searching for with the grills removed... Nothing harsh, just pure neutral reproduction of the original recording. Awesome!

Get those grills off and listen naked!!!!!!

peace,
Funk


Give yourself a slap! I didn't even order grills. All show and no go!
post #1941 of 2196
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Originally Posted by funkmonkey View Post

Just wanted to report that for a little while there I was thinking that the sound from my HT3/HTC combo was a little veiled... not true, at all. I was listening with the grills on!!!!!! :duh: Remove the grills and the highs shine! I honestly did not expect that much of a difference grills on/off. I know that it is recommended to listen with the grills off, but somehow I forgot and left them on... I removed them today and all I can say is WOW! I seriously did not think that it would make that much of a difference, but it does. It seems to be mainly the high frequencies that are affected by the grills, the mids and bass have been excellent with them in place. The mids actually seemed a little more pronounced that I remembered, but now the highs are much more crisp and clear. I am now hearing what I have been searching for with the grills removed... Nothing harsh, just pure neutral reproduction of the original recording. Awesome!

Get those grills off and listen naked!!!!!!

peace,
Funk

Good to hear
Cheers
DT
post #1942 of 2196
Funk, it is the same for me with the Kefs. They recommend removing the grills for serious listening. I never have them on It is certainly an audible difference.
post #1943 of 2196
Thread Starter 
The thing that gets me the most is that I knew that I was supposed to be listening with the grills off. I did nearly all of my auditioning with grills off. But When I got the HT3s unpacked, I stuck the grills on and never took them off until yesterday! I honestly didn't even think twice about it, and it had been bugging me that the highs were sounding a little veiled on many recordings, but when I woke up the other day I only had one dominant thought. Take the grills off you idiot!. It's kind of embarrassing to admit this whole thing, but I figured I would post about it in hopes that others may benefit from my mistake.
post #1944 of 2196
Its sounds like you're still honeymooning with your new Salk's. Awesome! I look forward to your review man. Enjoy!
post #1945 of 2196
I think it's great you enjoyed them as much as you did with their grills installed. That says a lot for your contentment. And the redwood hand-rubbed veneer is incredible. Nice stuff. Your wife's dislike of the coffin look turned out as well. Those are statement speakers.

-Michael
post #1946 of 2196
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Grenamc View Post

I think it's great you enjoyed them as much as you did with their grills installed. That says a lot for your contentment. And the redwood hand-rubbed veneer is incredible. Nice stuff. Your wife's dislike of the coffin look turned out as well. Those are statement speakers.

-Michael

Thanks Michael. Now I am glad that she insisted on a squared off cabinet, and that Jim was able to accommodate us, because I think your right, they are statement speakers. I can honestly say that they are one of a kind! Jim said that they haven't built any HT3s before mine with the squared-off cabinets, they have always been the "monkey coffins" (a term I lovingly borrow from Dennis Murphy) Now that there have been one pair made, I am sure there will be at least a few more requests in the future. Reactions have been a bit mixed to the shape... many like the rectangles, and several prefer the original shape. Thats cool, I love what I got, and it's great that we have options...

As to the sound with the grills on. They sounded good, but not great. Certainly better than what I had. They were missing the high end sparkle, the sizzle and crispness that influenced my decision to get them in the first place. I am still surprised that such a thin layer of fabric can affect the sound as it does, and that that effect is so localized in frequency.

Yesterday, I was listening to some Pixies and was amazed that I was hearing guitar tones and separation between instruments that I had never heard before. I have been a huge fan of the Pixies since about 1988 and have listened to their music on a regular basis ever since then, how could I possibly hear anything new in it? Well I did, and I have a feeling I will continue to for some time to come with the Pixies, and many other bands that I am very familiar with. Perhaps it is that very familiarity with the music that allows us to hear new things in it. I mean, unless we know the music extremely well, claiming to hear something new in a recording would be a somewhat common experience that comes with repeated listening. Not in this case. I was hearing two distinct guitars with two distinct tones with each having very much it's own character. Before, I only heard one loud wash of sound that was a blend between the two guitars. All this when I wasn't really paying attention to what was playing, and sitting well outside of the sweetspot.

Cheers-
Funk
post #1947 of 2196
Quote:
Originally Posted by funkmonkey View Post

Just wanted to report that for a little while there I was thinking that the sound from my HT3/HTC combo was a little veiled... not true, at all. I was listening with the grills on!!!!!! :duh: Remove the grills and the highs shine! I honestly did not expect that much of a difference grills on/off. I know that it is recommended to listen with the grills off, but somehow I forgot and left them on... I removed them today and all I can say is WOW! I seriously did not think that it would make that much of a difference, but it does. It seems to be mainly the high frequencies that are affected by the grills, the mids and bass have been excellent with them in place. The mids actually seemed a little more pronounced that I remembered, but now the highs are much more crisp and clear. I am now hearing what I have been searching for with the grills removed... Nothing harsh, just pure neutral reproduction of the original recording. Awesome!

Get those grills off and listen naked!!!!!!

peace,
Funk

I read this post and thought to myself, I need to try this on my speakers when I get home. A few days passed and forgot about it until tonight. And guess what? Yup, removing the grills brought the shimmer and delicacy to the treble that I felt was somewhat missing. When I auditioned my speakers I did it with the grills off the entire time, but the wife doesn't like the look. I had gotten so used to having the grills on that I forgot to take them off when critically listening. Doh!

Sometimes I forget the basics. So thanks for the reminder Funk!
post #1948 of 2196
I really wish Dennis could post some measurements with the grills on/off, so everybody can believe what you experiencing. I think Jim would never choose a fabric with such a negative impact on the sound. My speakers have grills with 50% transparency, and they don't have any impact on the sound.
post #1949 of 2196
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

Funk, it is the same for me with the Kefs. They recommend removing the grills for serious listening. I never have them on It is certainly an audible difference.

Totally agree, I'd go so far as to say a major audible difference for me. I think most speakers benefit form removing the grills, while several are designed to have the grills installed (Avalon).

The Kefs definitely are better without the grills.
post #1950 of 2196
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Originally Posted by golfugh View Post

Totally agree, I'd go so far as to say a major audible difference for me. I think most speakers benefit form removing the grills, while several are designed to have the grills installed (Avalon).

The Kefs definitely are better without the grills.

Also found the same with my B&W CM2s, and also 803s.

Hahaha, but how many of us think of removing the grills when auditioning?
I didnt.

Cheers
DT
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