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post #301 of 2196
Funk - Good luck on your continuing search for the right speaker. I hope you soon find one that truly captivates you.

If you want to see what the end of the road looks like, check it out here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post13368810

post #302 of 2196
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Congratulations buddy, I am truly happy for you, not to mention a bit jealous...
post #303 of 2196
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Originally Posted by funkmonkey View Post

Congratulations buddy, I am truly happy for you, not to mention a bit jealous...

tell me about it, all I have are a crappy pair of GS60s.
post #304 of 2196
Congrats on your new speakers, Tim! I am very happy for you.

Well, I've reached the point in my speaker quest to where I am now just burned out. I am going to take a break from all of this because it driving me insane.

Funk, I hope you find and purchase your perfect speaker before you reach the stage I have. Hopefully my motivation and desire will be re-kindled when I take my second trip to craigsub's home this spring/summer...
post #305 of 2196
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Congrats on your new speakers, Tim! I am very happy for you.

Well, I've reached the point in my speaker quest to where I am now just burned out. I am going to take a break from all of this because it driving me insane.

Funk, I hope you find and purchase your perfect speaker before you reach the stage I have. Hopefully my motivation and desire will be re-kindled when I take my second trip to craigsub's home this spring/summer...

I hear ya, it can be exhausting. This is the point that you need to put the obsession aside, go buy some new music and enjoy what you have. This is the point after all.
post #306 of 2196
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tell me about it, all I have are a crappy pair of GS60s.

Awwwwwwww, I will trade you for my "Digital Audio Pro's"
post #307 of 2196
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Congrats on your new speakers, Tim! I am very happy for you.

Well, I've reached the point in my speaker quest to where I am now just burned out. I am going to take a break from all of this because it driving me insane.

Funk, I hope you find and purchase your perfect speaker before you reach the stage I have. Hopefully my motivation and desire will be re-kindled when I take my second trip to craigsub's home this spring/summer...

Thanks for the encouragement Nuance, I hope so too. Remember spring is right around the corner I grew up in Detroit so I can totally relate to the late winter blues that I think you may be suffering from... Believe it or not sunny and seventy gets old too Enjoy what you already have, I know now that the "journey" never ends.... just ask Tim
post #308 of 2196
It's funny, I'm pretty much made up on either the Spendor S8es or the Dynaudio Focus 220s.

I used to own some Focal Bookshelves (Chorus 707S), and they were good, but obviously at their price (~695) they weren't comparable to my present speakers.

Last time I bought speakers I was deciding between the Focal Chorus 826Vs and the Dynaudio Audience 62s

The Focals had one major problem for me: I thought the midrage was recessed, as if the signer were 20 feet away from me. Even though the Dynaudios are, admittedly, a warmer sounding speaker, the midrange IMO is great, and it what I'm primairly looking for in a speaker.

The Chorus Vs have the legendary inverted tweeter, and the bass I thought was good indeed... but the midrange totally put me off.

I'll be pulling the trigger soon too and still am not leaning for either of my two choices above.
post #309 of 2196
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Hey Chris,
If you are truly looking for an outstanding mid-range I would suggest that you persue an audition of the Salk SongTower's. They are half the price of the Focus 220's and every bit as good. I am leaning heavily toward them, myself, with the addition of a sub they would still be less than the Dyn's and I have no doubt that the combination would provide a much better listening experience than the Focus 220's. Don't get me wrong, the Dynaudio's are great speakers, I just think they are over priced for what they offer... wait a minute, was it you that is doing the trade-in/up with your current Dynaudios?
post #310 of 2196
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Hey Chris,
If you are truly looking for an outstanding mid-range I would suggest that you persue an audition of the Salk SongTower's. They are half the price of the Focus 220's and every bit as good. I am leaning heavily toward them, myself, with the addition of a sub they would still be less than the Dyn's and I have no doubt that the combination would provide a much better listening experience than the Focus 220's. Don't get me wrong, the Dynaudio's are great speakers, I just think they are over priced for what they offer... wait a minute, was it you that is doing the trade-in/up with your current Dynaudios?

I definitely need to find some Salks in Chicagoland. I'm auditioning Dynaudio, Paradigm, Dali, and Revel tomorrow. With new prices Focus is in my price range and Contour 3.4s are within range used.
post #311 of 2196
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I definitely need to find some Salks in Chicagoland. I'm auditioning Dynaudio, Paradigm, Dali, and Revel tomorrow. With new prices Focus is in my price range and Contour 3.4s are within range used.

Cool, good luck with your auditions, be sure to let us know what you think..
Man, I wish I could hear some Revels...
post #312 of 2196
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Awwwwwwww, I will trade you for my "Digital Audio Pro's"

I will find a way to live with them.
post #313 of 2196
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Originally Posted by funkmonkey View Post

Hey Chris,
If you are truly looking for an outstanding mid-range I would suggest that you persue an audition of the Salk SongTower's. They are half the price of the Focus 220's and every bit as good. I am leaning heavily toward them, myself, with the addition of a sub they would still be less than the Dyn's and I have no doubt that the combination would provide a much better listening experience than the Focus 220's. Don't get me wrong, the Dynaudio's are great speakers, I just think they are over priced for what they offer... wait a minute, was it you that is doing the trade-in/up with your current Dynaudios?

Yeah, I'm trading up so I have to stick with Dynaudio, Elac, Montior Audio, Acoustic Zen, Vandersteen, Gallo and Spendor.

I'd LOVE the ELAC 210s like my father, but at 6k+ they are out of my range...

So yea... :-)
post #314 of 2196
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Yeah, I'm trading up so I have to stick with Dynaudio, Elac, Montior Audio, Acoustic Zen, Vandersteen, Gallo and Spendor.

I'd LOVE the ELAC 210s like my father, but at 6k+ they are out of my range...

So yea... :-)

Have you listened to the Acoustic Zen's yet??? If so I am really curious what you thought of them. I was impressed with how they sounded in a warehouse and very curious how they would sound in a better room.
post #315 of 2196
Funk -

You'll get a kick out of the irony here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post13381808

post #316 of 2196
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Funk -

You'll get a kick out of the irony here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post13381808


Now that is funny !!!
post #317 of 2196
Funk - Have you considered the Salk V3? I know you have a potential interest in the ribbon tweeters. There is a jump in price to $3,500 for the standard cabinet. Any V3 owners do a comparison with the Song Towers?
post #318 of 2196
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I am interested in the V3 but haven't found out much about them. Tomorrow I may be going for a listen to the HT3's. I also just heard that the price of the SongTowers is going up in a couple of weeks, I hope it is not too much of an increase. While we are on the subject, the price of Totem's products went up as well, and I heard that Aerials prices are also going to increase in the near future. Most of this is due to the ever weakening US dollar, and rising fuel costs and the fact that so many drivers and cabinets are made overseas.
post #319 of 2196
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So, after some long and thoughtful consideration about sound quality, cost, and aesthetics, I thought I should make a general statement as to where I am at in my quest, at the close of another week.

For the last couple of days I have been leaning heavily toward purchasing a pair of SongTowers, plus a SongSub. I think that this combination would give me a very rewarding listening experience for 2 channel listening, and the performance : price ratio is very hard to beat. That would be my greatest value choice, and I doubt that it can be beat in the bang for the buck category.

The Dali Helicons are also very intriguing to me right now. The 300's that I heard do not have the bass I want, but coupled with a sub they may be a decent compromise. I am much more interested in the 400 model or the 800, even though I haven't been able to hear either. The ribbon tweeters, and Dali's hybrid, get very close to "real" sounding cymbals, and the Helicon line seems to smooth out any harshness better than the other ribbons that I have heard.

Along those lines I also like the Acoustic Zen Adagio's. They excel with percussion sounds and go low enough for me to run without a sub for 2 channel listening. The other thing they do really well is their portrayal of an acoustic bass, making them a favorite of mine for Jazz, which I listen to quite often. Their only drawback for me is in the pure mid-range, it's just not quite as lush as I would like. And the fact that these have an msrp of over $4 grand.

Totem Hawks are still in the running as solid performers across the board, but my infatuation with them is slowly fading as I listen to more speakers, especially those that cost more. Their street price puts them borderline on my original budget. If I decide to break that, I am much more tempted to go big rather than just slightly over.

In the "just go for it" category I love the sound of the Aerial 7B's, and the T+A Criterion TS 300. The Aerial's warm smooth sound reminds me of what Hi-fi is "supposed" to sound like, but I also have an appreciation for the T+A's added dynamics. Used, would be the best way for me to get into the Aerials, and the T+A's relative non-existence in the American market would make them a hard sell should I ever decide to replace them, not to mention their inflated US price tag...

In the last couple of days I have also come across two amazing deals on some even higher-end speakers. First one is a pair of Revel F-50's brand new in box, that I could get very near to dealer cost. The second is on a pair of dealer demo Dali MS4's. I haven't heard either of these speakers, and frankly I am a little afraid to, because my credit card nearly jumped out of my wallet when I heard the $5g speakers, I can only imagine what it would do when tempted with new $8 or $10g speakers at used prices...

So, at this point I would like to ask you guys what you think. Out of all of my reviews which ones did you feel I was most enthusiastic about? Just off the top of your head, don't give it too much thought... Your first inclination is what I am interested in. I am curious to see what somebody outside of my own head thinks I would like the best. They don't necessarily have to be anything that I have mentioned in this post, and you can post more than one if you want.

Thanks guys,
Greg
post #320 of 2196
Like the Nike commercial says..."JUST DO IT"
as for the money.......you can always make more

RayJr
post #321 of 2196
Greg,

I've been following your thread since the beginning. While there have been many speakers that you've been enthusiastic about, i would say that you seemed to be
the most pleased with the Dali Helicons. To me, your description of the 300's seemed like it was closest to what you are looking for. From what i gather this would be the most accurate representation of live music.

Now this is just my opinion and i have not heard these speakers, but i would suggest that you find some Helicon 400's to listen to. Granted, these would put your budget up there with the most expensive you've listened to, but it seems like the next logical step.

You may not want to purchase something and have that voice in your head telling you that you still need to give the 400's a listen!

Just my .02 cents,

Doug
post #322 of 2196
Greg,

As luck would have it I have 2 showings set for my home today so I had to tend the dogs and couldn't get out. In addition I've been fighting a cold for 3 days and this isn't the best time to listen to speakers. So my auditions will have to wait a few more days.

Regarding your quest I feel like a ribbon tweeter is needed for the sound you want. Given that I would really give the Dali 400s a listen. If at all possible a Salk V3 or HT2 both of which use LCY ribbon tweeters and are around $3500. Used Dali 400 MKII can be had around the same cost. The biggest negative about the Salks, especially the V3 is lack of audition opportunities. There are some Song tower owners around me but no V3 or HT2 that I've been able to find. My current speakers were ID Axiom M60s and I've been pretty happy with them but at only $900 it was much easier to take that leap of faith.

You seem a lot like me in that if you "settle" for something in your initial budget you'll always be thinking what if and looking for the next upgrade. Given that, my initial budget was around 2k like yours but now had just about doubled.
post #323 of 2196
Funk - Your interest has seemed high for the Totem Hawks, T+A Criterion, and the Salk SongTowers. Your current budget still appears to be in flux, which seems reasonable since you are using your best efforts to choose the best posisble speaker, within different quality range.
post #324 of 2196
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Originally Posted by michael630 View Post

Funk - Your interest has seemed high for the Totem Hawks, T+A Criterion, and the Salk SongTowers. Your current budget still appears to be in flux, which seems reasonable since you are using your best efforts to choose the best posisble speaker, within different quality range.

I think M630 hit it spot on. Those are the same speakers I would have said stood out the most in your reviews. I looked over your impressions of the Dali Helicons's and it does sound like those are another possibility, HOWEVER, you mention "peircing highs" a couple of times, which concerns me. I could see this quality getting under your skin after a while. Then again, if you like the rest of what the speaker does enough, you could learn to live with the occasional bite from the speaker. I guess it just depends on how often the piercing quality comes into play.

You mention being able to get either the Dali MS4's or the Revel F50's at a price that you could afford. Those are two of my favorite speakers. I would find it hard to pass either of those up if you can afford them. IME, the Dali's are warm in the bass, a little laid back though the mids and extended and detailed up top. A bit more of a euphonic presentation. The Revels are all about accuracy. Balanced from top to bottom and more extended bass than the MS4's, but some consider them a little dry and clinical. I don't share that view.

Decisions, decisions.
post #325 of 2196
Greg,

How about this. It seems whatever choice you make will be an excellent choice. But add this factor in, what ones will have friends say "Damn those are Sexy speakers"

The average person probably can not tell the difference on the sound. I upgraded last year from NHT 2.5i to Aerial Acoustics 7b. None of my friends told me those speakers sound better, probably because their "idiots" but those are my "idiot friends". But if they looked "Sexy" they probably would have said "Damn those are nice speakers"

Just a thought to maybe help your decision.

Good luck.
post #326 of 2196
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Originally Posted by funkmonkey View Post

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(f)irst one is a pair of Revel F-50's brand new in box, that I could get very near to dealer cost.

Thanks guys,
Greg

Are these F50a's or F52's? They are both wonderful, and would seem to satisfy your desire for relatively full-range, acoustic excellence. The F52's benefit from continued Harman/Revel engineering and research efforts, of course, but the F50a is a good looking, three-way speaker with a terrific titanium tweeter (looks to be the same unit as on the newer M22 and F32 models, in fact).

As with Tim (hifisponge) and his new Focal Electra Be's, the Revels or Dalis might well quench your sonic thirst. You will certainly need some oomph in the amp department, however!
post #327 of 2196
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Greg,

How about this. It seems whatever choice you make will be an excellent choice. But add this factor in, what ones will have friends say "Damn those are Sexy speakers"

The average person probably can not tell the difference on the sound. I upgraded last year from NHT 2.5i to Aerial Acoustics 7b. None of my friends told me those speakers sound better, probably because their "idiots" but those are my "idiot friends". But if they looked "Sexy" they probably would have said "Damn those are nice speakers"

Just a thought to maybe help your decision.

Good luck.


Then again, I would prefer to hear thousands of hours' worth of better music than such a testimonial. Of course, those same friends might be saying, "Why did that idiot buy such an ugly speaker?"
post #328 of 2196
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Originally Posted by kcsupratt View Post

Greg,

How about this. It seems whatever choice you make will be an excellent choice. But add this factor in, what ones will have friends say "Damn those are Sexy speakers"

The average person probably can not tell the difference on the sound. I upgraded last year from NHT 2.5i to Aerial Acoustics 7b. None of my friends told me those speakers sound better, probably because their "idiots" but those are my "idiot friends". But if they looked "Sexy" they probably would have said "Damn those are nice speakers"

Just a thought to maybe help your decision.

Good luck.

Very-very true observation! Bravo!
post #329 of 2196
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Originally Posted by howaboutthat41 View Post

Are these F50a's or F52's? They are both wonderful, and would seem to satisfy your desire for relatively full-range, acoustic excellence. The F52's benefit from continued Harman/Revel engineering and research efforts, of course, but the F50a is a good looking, three-way speaker with a terrific titanium tweeter (looks to be the same unit as on the newer M22 and F32 models, in fact).

They are F50's, I asked about the 50/52 clarification and he said "F50, that had been replaced by the F52, brand new, in box" I may try to set something up to listen to these, or next saturday (if I don't have to work) and make the drive to the only dealer with a showroom in LA to listen (potentially 4 hours car time). They would only have the F52's, but it's supposed to be a nice store and I am sure they would have something to confuse me further.
post #330 of 2196
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Thanks for all your thoughts so far, hopefully a few more will chime in in the next few days.
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