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post #781 of 2196
6/6/08 at 5:01pm
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Who changed the TV from the Speaker channel to the Vatican channel?


RayJr

I am not Catholic.
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post #782 of 2196
6/6/08 at 10:23pm
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Nam Myoho Renge Kyo....

Here's to hoping that my HT3s are like Shakamuni in his later years...

Simply, enlightened.

...and we all know that Satan likes the Blues...

Hifi- how 'bout "like listening through God's ears" for a Revel experience.

or if you want to stay on the Buddhist tack : May the Revels show you the true nature of your recordings, and let them allow you to forgive the recording engineers for using so much compression on the master.
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post #783 of 2196
6/6/08 at 10:44pm
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Originally Posted by funkmonkey View Post

Hifi- how 'bout "like listening through God's ears" for a Revel experience.

So then what, instead of music, when I fire the Revels up all I would hear is the desperate prayers from people in trouble? Um, no thanks.

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or if you want to stay on the Buddhist tack : May the Revels show you the true nature of your recordings, and let them allow you to forgive the recording engineers for using so much compression on the master.

Now that sounds about right.
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post #784 of 2196
6/6/08 at 10:56pm
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I'm old and getting forgetful , but this is approximately what happened. A few years ago, when I was an nubile audio innocenti, I began researching loudspeakers. I found a thread in some local forum, now long lost to my memory where it was. But a certain fellow had been on a mission such as yours, Brandon's, and Tim's. (I wouldn't be surprised if he were an AVS member.) He had gone through many thousands of dollars in speaker acquisition and auditioning in his search for the ultimate monitor. He had found each and every candidate wanting in some irritating (to him) way. His search led to a planned A/B order/comparo of SP Technologies Timepieces and the Salk HT3's (a bit of a large 'monitor'). The Salks arrived at his house a week before the Timepieces were scheduled to arrive. You know what? In that week, he fell so totally head-over-heels in love with the Salks that he disappointed all of us who wanted the comparison review. He just cancelled the Timepiece delivery. If I remember his comments correctly, he said, "There was absolutely NO reason to search any further. The HT3's are everything I've ever wanted or conceived of wanting in a loudspeaker. They are faithful to the input as an angel unto god (or something perhaps a bit less poetic, lol)...."

I believe your wait will be worth it, my friend!

Great story Mud. This is from the Salk website:
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...one last detail
We feel it only fair to mention the following:

Our speakers feature a level of accuracy, clarity and detail that will bring out subtle nuances normally hidden in great recordings. (Which means you can actually "re-discover" detail in vintage recordings you have enjoyed in the past.) At the same time, they will lay bare any deficiencies in poor recordings. There is no hiding where our speakers are concerned.

Along those same lines, deficiencies in source components (CD and DVD players, amplifiers, etc.) may be painfully evident as well. But there are three positive things that can be said in this regard:

First, our speakers will elicit the best possible performance from your current source equipment.
Second, the path to even better sound is always available should you decide to upgrade your source equipment.
And finally, you should never need to upgrade your speakers. These are the last speakers you will ever need to purchase.

So, RJ, I think that you are right. Thanks. The comment about feeling as though there was no need to search any further, rang particularly true with me (in regards to my HT3 audition).

Cheers guys have a great weekend!
Greg
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post #785 of 2196
6/7/08 at 2:07pm
Funk you have a PM

golf
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post #786 of 2196
6/7/08 at 2:29pm
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Originally Posted by funkmonkey View Post

Nam Myoho Renge Kyo....

Here's to hoping that my HT3s are like Shakamuni in his later years...

Simply, enlightened.

...and we all know that Satan likes the Blues...

Hifi- how 'bout "like listening through God's ears" for a Revel experience.

or if you want to stay on the Buddhist tack : May the Revels show you the true nature of your recordings, and let them allow you to forgive the recording engineers for using so much compression on the master.

LMAO! Very well put!
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post #787 of 2196
6/7/08 at 6:27pm
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Lucifer was an angel and betrayed God; he is now Satan, God's enemy. Sorry, couldn't resist knocking the analogy.

I hope the HT3's are more faithful than Lucifer was.


Funny thing is I grew up around crazy religious yahoos, that would say that Lucifer was in charge of the choir and had great talent with sound, and any thing that had to do with music. Supposably had an amazing voice that would make Whitney Huston sound like a crack head. Well he/she was made to serve God with an incredible voice and musical talent!

Well the whole point of these childhood horror bedtime story was that music had power and influence over people no matter what type of musical genera.

As a teen and in alter states in a NYC clubs I would give into paranoia, and ponder those childhood stories. watching sea of people swaying to the same beat which seamed in a trance...Ala' Matrix Reloaded Rave scene!Simply beautiful....

And think yup the Devil is at work here...

Must be why I can't live without music...


Djoel
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post #788 of 2196
6/7/08 at 7:24pm
Funk, et all

During your speakerquests which did you prefer and what were your impressions in comparison of the Adiago's and ST's?

I'm going to listen to some ST's in Gainesville this summer and am heading to Orlando/Miami area in July to hear some others including the Adiago's. I like the idea of the round ribbon in the Adiago's. I spoke with Robert Lee (no relation, ha!) the other day on the phone and he was great to speak with.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Mark
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post #789 of 2196
6/7/08 at 8:03pm
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Mark-

This is actually a very astute question, as I really like both of these speakers, and they both share a transmission line cabinet, and have their drivers arranged in an MTM layout. Though the Adagios cost a bit more than twice as much, they are actually quite similar in design. SongTowers are rear ported, the Adagios, front. This in itself may be a factor if proximity to the back wall is a problem for your space. Then again Jim may be able to come up with a front ported version of the ST for you if you were to ask (then again maybe not, since the cabinet itself acts as part of the speaker a front port may entail a complete re-design...) Still something to consider with these two models.

Let me start by saying that I heard these two speakers in vastly different rooms, driven by vastly different electronics so YMMV...

The Adagios are extremely fast, and tight. Across the board. To my ears the ribbon tweeters give a more extended high end, and the mid-bass drivers used in the Adagios extend lower than those in the SongTower. The SongTower's however, win the prize in the midrange! Both are very musical speakers and performed very well with the music that I used to audition them. If you like heavily percussive music I would pick the Adagios, hands down. If you are more into vocalists, you might prefer the SongTower. I think the SongTower's are a better value than the Adagio's, but then again if cost is not an issue...

Even though they are a similar design, and are both quite neutral and uncolored in sound, they each have their own character. Adagio's are the more the dynamic speaker, the ST's are the smoother.

In the end it would come down to your own personal preference, and budget. Both are exceptional and could make even the pickiest guy(or gal) happy for a long time to come. If you are interested in the Adagio's I would suggest looking on Audiogon, as I have seen a few pairs up for sale there for a decent price. Funny thing about that is that more than one person said that they picked up a pair of Adagio's to listen to until their uber-expensive speakers arrived...

One last note on the two is the finish. The Salks you get a nearly infinite selection since each is custom built to order. The Adagios only offer four available finishes. Both speakers look great in person, and have a similar stature.

Both Robert Lee, and Jim Salk are great guys to deal with, very friendly and helpful. I get the impression from both that they are genuinely happy to help you out.

If you have the chance to listen to both speakers, please do so and let the rest of us know what you thought. Anybody else had a chance to hear the two? Care to share your opinions?

Hope that helps you out.

Cheers,
-Funk
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post #790 of 2196
6/7/08 at 8:42pm
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post


Well the whole point of these childhood horror bedtime story was that music had power and influence over people no matter what type of musical genera.

As a teen and in alter states in a NYC clubs I would give into paranoia, and ponder those childhood stories. watching sea of people swaying to the same beat which seamed in a trance...Ala' Matrix Reloaded Rave scene!Simply beautiful....

lmfao, those childhood stories indeed often stay with us forever
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post #791 of 2196
6/8/08 at 7:22am
Heeeyyy Funk. This has nothing to do with speakers, front or rear ported, but did anyone ever say that you write really well? I used to teach English composition, so that sort of thing jumps out at me. Nice to see such clarity on the Net.
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post #792 of 2196
6/8/08 at 7:47am
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Heeeyyy Funk. This has nothing to do with speakers, front or rear ported, but did anyone ever say that you write really well? I used to teach English composition, so that sort of thing jumps out at me. Nice to see such clarity on the Net.

And here I was, so proud of "they are faithful to the input as an angel unto God". I guess I better keep on practicing.
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post #793 of 2196
6/8/08 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by Mudslide View Post

And here I was, so proud of "they are faithful to the input as an angel unto God". I guess I better keep on practicing.

That's dang good, but I assumed it was a direct quote from Frank Van Alstine. I'll give you both an honorable mention. Anyhow, does your real name sound like anyone famous? Maybe we could use that one on the Salk Site.
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post #794 of 2196
6/8/08 at 9:32am
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Heeeyyy Funk. This has nothing to do with speakers, front or rear ported, but did anyone ever say that you write really well? I used to teach English composition, so that sort of thing jumps out at me. Nice to see such clarity on the Net.

Wow, thanks teach. English was always one of my least favorite subjects perhaps I get better (at writing) with age.
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post #795 of 2196
6/8/08 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

That's dang good, but I assumed it was a direct quote from Frank Van Alstine. I'll give you both an honorable mention. Anyhow, does your real name sound like anyone famous? Maybe we could use that one on the Salk Site.

No, I made it up.

Was it Frank that did that HT3/SP Tech thing? I couldn't remember.

I'm sorry to say, Dennis, my real name isn't, nor sounds anything similar to anyone with the slightest bit of fame attached. Mudslide is reasonably descriptive of me (), so feel free to use that.
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post #796 of 2196
6/8/08 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by Mudslide View Post

No, I made it up.

Was it Frank that did that HT3/SP Tech thing? I couldn't remember.

I'm sorry to say, Dennis, my real name isn't, nor sounds anything similar to anyone with the slightest bit of fame attached. Mudslide is reasonably descriptive of me (), so feel free to use that.

I know he announced he would be conducting a search for a demo speaker for his amps and named quite a few. I think the SP Tech was one of them. And then he called the whole thing off after he got the HT3's.
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post #797 of 2196
6/8/08 at 1:23pm
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

I know he announced he would be conducting a search for a demo speaker for his amps and named quite a few. I think the SP Tech was one of them. And then he called the whole thing off after he got the HT3's.

I get the feeling that that kind of thing happens a lot. ...A guy like me, or Frank, goes on a quest for their ideal speaker, and we may or may not hear a whole pile of other speakers before we get to the HT3's, but once we hear them... that's it. Search is over. Done. IMO they do everything that I could want out of a speaker, and they do it exceptionally well. After hearing them, you just know that for something to sound significantly better than the HT3 you are going to have to spend ridiculous amounts of money... and even then, I am not sure that they would be significantly better.

Nice job Dennis and Jim... by the way, how is your quest coming to build something better?
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post #798 of 2196
6/10/08 at 9:14am
anyone with any experience with Von Schweikert VR-4 SR MK II or VR-4 JR Mk II? I've been in contact with Albert and he has a 90 day in-home demo.

Thanks for any info
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post #799 of 2196
6/10/08 at 9:27am
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Originally Posted by golfugh View Post

anyone with any experience with Von Schweikert VR-4 SR MK II or VR-4 JR Mk II? I've been in contact with Albert and he has a 90 day in-home demo.

Thanks for any info


I had the JR MKI's and they were pretty decent. Sold them to a guy who now has the MKII's and he really likes them much better. I went to the HT3's after the VSA's. I'm told the bass is tighter and the top end smoother in the MKII version. That's all I can offer.
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post #800 of 2196
6/10/08 at 10:13am
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

That's dang good, but I assumed it was a direct quote from Frank Van Alstine. I'll give you both an honorable mention. Anyhow, does your real name sound like anyone famous? Maybe we could use that one on the Salk Site.

Hey Dennis....I can offer you a picture of my wife decked out in a spiffy Salk Sound T-shirt Jim sent a while back! After all, she is my inspirational angel and WAF auto-approver. Will that help with the marketing?
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post #801 of 2196
6/10/08 at 10:45am
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Originally Posted by golfugh View Post

Funk you have a PM

golf

When reading quickly "funk you" never looks right
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post #802 of 2196
6/10/08 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by Mudslide View Post

Hey Dennis....I can offer you a picture of my wife decked out in a spiffy Salk Sound T-shirt Jim sent a while back! After all, she is my inspirational angel and WAF auto-approver. Will that help with the marketing?

Uh--why don't you send that pic over to me for a look see. Just want to make sure there are no typos on the T-shirt.
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post #803 of 2196
6/10/08 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Uh--why don't you send that pic over to me for a look see. Just want to make sure there are no typos on the T-shirt.

I'll ask her and see how hard she pummels me.
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post #804 of 2196
6/10/08 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by mziegler View Post

When reading quickly "funk you" never looks right

LOL!
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Uh--why don't you send that pic over to me for a look see. Just want to make sure there are no typos on the T-shirt.

HA! Nice!

So how did you get a shirt. RJ? You partake in the naming contest?
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post #805 of 2196
6/10/08 at 4:59pm
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

LOL!


HA! Nice!

So how did you get a shirt. RJ? You partake in the naming contest?

That I did, mate. I've been trolling the Salk board over on audiocircle for years, now. Some guys ogle babes. I ogle beautiful speakers. (That's all my wife will allow me to ogle, by the way. ))
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post #806 of 2196
6/10/08 at 5:42pm
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Funk you too.

what can I say? I guess I'm just a Funkhead!
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post #807 of 2196
6/10/08 at 5:49pm
It's like a freakin' Salk channel over here! Every time I check in on this thread it's Salk this and Salk that. It's all Salk all the time!



Speaking of Salk, so Funk when you getting 'em?

BTW - maybe you should change your name to SalkMonkey.
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post #808 of 2196
6/10/08 at 8:26pm
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

It's like a freakin' Salk channel over here! Every time I check in on this thread it's Salk this and Salk that. It's all Salk all the time!



Speaking of Salk, so Funk when you getting 'em?

BTW - maybe you should change your name to SalkMonkey.

LOL ...

Not sure when they will show up... I think Jim is still waiting for the new woofers to be ready. Then, from what I understand, a sample will go to Dennis to confirm that they are a drop-in replacement or he will perform any necessary tweaks to the crossover, then when Jim is happy with everything I get my speakers finished

***Perhaps we should start calling you Hi-fiTornado!***
considering how fast you are ripping through speakers these days. You actually seem to be accelerating.



Well, it sounds like you are about to be getting your Revel on pretty soon. I cannot express how much I hope that they work out for you, seriously. Man, I popped a woody when I saw the pics in Nuance's thread! Those are the same that your getting, right???



Knowing you you will be getting one of these too:


...and a pair of these:
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post #809 of 2196
6/10/08 at 10:13pm
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Originally Posted by funkmonkey View Post

LOL ...

Not sure when they will show up... I think Jim is still waiting for the new woofers to be ready. Then, from what I understand, a sample will go to Dennis to confirm that they are a drop-in replacement or he will perform any necessary tweaks to the crossover, then when Jim is happy with everything I get my speakers finished

You seem to be taking it in stride, which I find amazing. Waiting 8+ weeks for my first attempt at dream speakers (the Focals) was maddening. Luckily the wait for all of the subsequent speakers has been much shorter.

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***Perhaps we should start calling you Hi-fiTornado!***
considering how fast you are ripping through speakers these days. You actually seem to be accelerating.

It's certainly been a "whirlwind" adventure. I went through this exact same process when I first tried to upgrade from my M&K's. You wouldn't think that it would be too tough to find speakers better than the M&K's but I struggled as much back then as I am now, hence the speaker graveyard in my signature. It will work out in the end, but it just takes me a while to get there.

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Well, it sounds like you are about to be getting your Revel on pretty soon. I cannot express how much I hope that they work out for you, seriously. Man, I popped a woody when I saw the pics in Nuance's thread! Those are the same that your getting, right???

You know, while I'm excited about the potential sound quality of the Revels, I find their design rather uninspired. Kevin Voeks is proud of the fact that they did not hire an industrial designer to design the cabinet, that it is purely form follows function, but I think they should have consulted someone considering that they are a high-end speaker. But I've got a solution for their rather pedestrian appearance. If I like the way they sound, I'll have them custom painted by a friend that works at a local auto finishing shop. How's that for dedication to the hoby?
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post #810 of 2196
6/11/08 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

It's like a freakin' Salk channel over here! Every time I check in on this thread it's Salk this and Salk that. It's all Salk all the time!



Speaking of Salk, so Funk when you getting 'em?

BTW - maybe you should change your name to SalkMonkey.

But yet you refuse to listen to them. ZING! HAHA, I couldn't resist. J/K you cabinetry whore!
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