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post #61 of 11020
2/21/08 at 3:37am
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not to get too off topic but is it more difficult for amps to produce good music vs good HT?

Not really, could have to do with frequency response. A softer high-end is often thought of as "musical", etc. The concept of "musicality" is also closely tied to brand name perception, so there's a strong bias in sighted tests. Basic room treatments will have a far greater sonic effect than slight differences among receivers.

As Dawg90 advised above, use your ears to judge. Not that easy to do once the eyes get involved, though. A fact.
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post #62 of 11020
2/21/08 at 4:23am
J&R has it listed as coming soon at a slight discount!!
For what it is worth I contacted Yamaha and they replied it should hit the streets in about a month.
We shall see!!
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post #63 of 11020
2/21/08 at 4:42am
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I think it is like having 7.1 in the main zone and zone 2 being active at the same time.

Hmm. The manual states that if you choose "bi-amp", the surround back speakers are set to "none" (p. 109). It also states that "Presence" and "Zone 2" aren't available choices if "bi-amp" is set to "on" (p. 33). I'm thinking that all of those options use the same pair of amps, and that the surround backs/7.1 and presence speakers can't be active simultaneously.
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post #64 of 11020
2/21/08 at 5:02am
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Not really, could have to do with frequency response. A softer high-end is often thought of as "musical", etc. The concept of "musicality" is also closely tied to brand name perception, so there's a strong bias in sighted tests. Basic room treatments will have a far greater sonic effect than slight differences among receivers.

As Dawg90 advised above, use your ears to judge. Not that easy to do once the eyes get involved, though. A fact.

10 years ago, I used a classical piano CD to shop between receivers, and settled on the Yamaha V793, which clearly reproduced the sound better than the competition (Denon, Sony etc). I had a hard time telling the difference with home theater or non-acoustical music.
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post #65 of 11020
2/21/08 at 7:04am
Does anyone know if you can have 2 different crossover settings for the subwoofer outputs? Or can you set one for LFE only?
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post #66 of 11020
2/21/08 at 7:12am
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Originally Posted by Ub3r-L33ch View Post

Hey guys I just got the Yamaha 1800 for $862. Would there be any benefits for exchanging and getting the 663? I see that it does OSD over HDMI, that would be nice but it's not that important to me. Would the 663 with an amp really sound better than 1800?

Anyone?
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post #67 of 11020
2/21/08 at 7:18am
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Does anyone know if you can have 2 different crossover settings for the subwoofer outputs? Or can you set one for LFE only?

The two subwoofer outs are identical (p. 34).
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post #68 of 11020
2/21/08 at 7:36am
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Hey guys I just got the Yamaha 1800 for $862. Would there be any benefits for exchanging and getting the 663? I see that it does OSD over HDMI, that would be nice but it's not that important to me. Would the 663 with an amp really sound better than 1800?

I think those who would insist it would, that changing ss amps has a large sonic impact, might also be the ones who would advise judging by ear. As such, no real answer can be given as no one's heard the 663. If you have very difficult loads to deal with, perhaps a high-current amp would help.
I really see no point in getting rid of the 1800, but if you really want to know, maybe you should try a separate amp with the 1800 and see if you can hear a difference.
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post #69 of 11020
2/21/08 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by Citat3962 View Post

figures I'd pull the trigger on the 661 and they'd come out with a model that solves all my complaints about the 661.

No OSD on HDMI
No Upconversion of analog sources to HDMI
No Sirus input
No HD Radio Tuner

looks like the new remote might be backlit better than the 661's

Looks like a nice improvement on an already solid design.. I'd say I wish I had waited for this one but I'd rather save 149$ and have my receiver now instead of 30 days from now

I do kinda wish I could get the HD radio tuner...

No HD Radio tuner on the 663. The 863 and I think the 6180 will have it. On the website it shows and HD tuner on the 6160 though which is interesting. Also more power on the 6160? Would love to get clarification on those specs. I would have thought the 6160 and 663 would have been identical (same for 6180 and 863).
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post #70 of 11020
2/21/08 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by Jack Gilvey View Post

I think those who would insist it would, that changing ss amps has a large sonic impact, might also be the ones who would advise judging by ear. As such, no real answer can be given as no one's heard the 663. If you have very difficult loads to deal with, perhaps a high-current amp would help.
I really see no point in getting rid of the 1800, but if you really want to know, maybe you should try a separate amp with the 1800 and see if you can hear a difference.

Thanks.

Any other differences besides that? As in advantages the 663 has over the 1800? Basically, if price wasn't an issue, which would be better between the 2?
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post #71 of 11020
2/21/08 at 8:59am
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not to get too off topic but is it more difficult for amps to produce good music vs good HT?

Ideally an amplifier amplifies signals. It doesn't care what they are. But some people may be more sensitive to distortion in music than movies.

Buy a good receiver, don't run it into clipping, and you should be happy for both music AND movies.

Of course, some people are pickier than others.
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post #72 of 11020
2/21/08 at 9:50am
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Originally Posted by Ub3r-L33ch View Post

Thanks.

Any other differences besides that? As in advantages the 663 has over the 1800? Basically, if price wasn't an issue, which would be better between the 2?

The 1800. Be happy!
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post #73 of 11020
2/21/08 at 11:06am
I can't find this receiver on Yamaha's site. Am I missing a link?
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post #74 of 11020
2/21/08 at 4:39pm
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Originally Posted by RCbridge View Post

J&R has it listed as coming soon at a slight discount!!
For what it is worth I contacted Yamaha and they replied it should hit the streets in about a month.
We shall see!!


JR and http://www.4electronicwarehouse.com/...a/rx-v663.html were the only ones I was able to come up with. I called 4electronic to ask about it, $499 preorder and will ship to custs mid march
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post #75 of 11020
2/21/08 at 10:02pm
Not sure if anyone cares, but unless I read the manual wrong, it seems the 663 will not output 1080p component over HDMI.

Personally, I'm not a fan of transcoding anyways.
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post #76 of 11020
2/22/08 at 4:35am
I think you read it right (p. 19). No 1080p component sources here, though.
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post #77 of 11020
2/22/08 at 6:08am
It looks like Yamaha took the new receivers off of the site. They are no longer showing up and the link on the first page is now broken.
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post #78 of 11020
2/22/08 at 7:00am
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Originally Posted by mpgxsvcd View Post

It looks like Yamaha took the new receivers off of the site. They are no longer showing up and the link on the first page is now broken.

I think they realized that the new lineup will affect clearance of the "#61" lineup.
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post #79 of 11020
2/22/08 at 7:25am
On that note, I wonder if there will be any steals on the 661...
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post #80 of 11020
2/22/08 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by kulims View Post

JR.COM though has still them in their website. If you call you get $100 less than the price on their site.

You mean JR will sell the V663 for $399 if you call?
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post #81 of 11020
2/22/08 at 8:48am
Yes, I just ordered through JR.com and got that price and free shipping.
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post #82 of 11020
2/22/08 at 8:52am
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Yes, I just ordered through JR.com and got the $400 price and free shipping.

Wow..
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post #83 of 11020
2/22/08 at 8:55am
Really should leave the specific price talk to PM's...
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post #84 of 11020
2/22/08 at 8:57am
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Really should leave the specific price talk to PM's...

Good point.. I forgot about the "no street price talk rules"

Only MSRP is allowed
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post #85 of 11020
2/22/08 at 9:04am
kulims you rule. just copied you
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post #86 of 11020
2/22/08 at 11:10am
Wow, just got same deal - amazing.
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post #87 of 11020
2/22/08 at 11:11am
Here is something I find intriguing with the unit. Speaker B terminals can be set for your second zone. Therefore all you need is an extra set of speakers. Most manufactures require that you utilize the BACK surround terminals for multi-zone outputs. By using the back surrounds you forgo 7.1 in the main theater. I think this is a great advantage.
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post #88 of 11020
2/22/08 at 12:17pm
They have taken the product info down for the new receivers. I assume that was done to make some corrections. However, you still can get the manuals by doing a search for their product numbers or by clicking the links below.

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/Docu...HTR-6160_U.pdf

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/Docu...HTR-6180_U.pdf

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/Docu.../RX-V863_U.pdf
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post #89 of 11020
2/22/08 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by bpl07 View Post

Yes, I just ordered through JR.com and got that price and free shipping.

You got the 663 or 661 for $400? I can't find the 663 on their website.
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post #90 of 11020
2/22/08 at 12:28pm
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4219055

You have to call in to get the lower price
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