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post #6421 of 10058
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Originally Posted by scruffy7 View Post

ii like some of them, StartOver is handy to catch top of the hour news and i like the Columbia forecast on the Weather Channel (although the audio level is too low). the author's argument is only valid if he can prove that these features are coming instead of HD channels which i don't think he does.


FYI for everyone - These features are absolutely NOT coming instead of HD channels. The engineers who work on these features are worlds away from the lawyers who do the programming deals.
post #6422 of 10058
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Originally Posted by bdfox18doe View Post

Same here. I just want to watch the duggum tv. Same for the cell phone, drop all the interactive crap and give me a phone that works RELIABLY..


Charlotte doesn't even have any ITV features launched....
post #6423 of 10058
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Originally Posted by DianaTWCSC View Post

Were already ahead of them with a fatter pipe, so I don't really follow you...

Wait a moment, here's part of that piece:
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Right now, in terms of network architecture, Verizon Communications is best equipped to deliver multiple HDTV streams. The phone company is building a network that extends fiber directly into homes, giving people almost limitless bandwidth capacity. Adding more HDTV streams over this infrastructure shouldn't be an issue.

Are they lying (OK, exaggerating) about Verizon's available bandwidth? With no completely compression-speckle-free HDTV showing up from TWC yet, I think 'almost limitless bandwidth' makes for a much better ad campaign...
post #6424 of 10058
Lets just call it an aggressively optimistic spin.

Think about it this way... unless its fiber to the TV, there is the same 'bandwidth limit' for either product.

PS - is that buildout to every house in every neighborhood......
post #6425 of 10058
Well, I expect a new fibre cable will push through the wall to each HDTV box involved. Whatever "cable" modem gets included would also have fibre directly to it. I see they upped their Internet service to 10Mb/2Mb back in May, and have higher speeds for the needy.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1956454,00.asp

With fat enough cables, I imagine shotgunning stuff through multiple strands would come into play. There'a an awful lot of light you can pack into a cable that still bends enough to install in a wall...
post #6426 of 10058
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Originally Posted by mikepaul View Post

Well, I expect a new fibre cable will push through the wall to each HDTV box involved. Whatever "cable" modem gets included would also have fibre directly to it. I see they upped their Internet service to 10Mb/2Mb back in May, and have higher speeds for the needy.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1956454,00.asp

With fat enough cables, I imagine shotgunning stuff through multiple strands would come into play. There'a an awful lot of light you can pack into a cable that still bends enough to install in a wall...


I think your expectations for their service is beyond what will be delievered.

Bottom line - you will not be able to tell the difference between service we provide Fiber to the Ped or they provide Fiber to the home. the 30 to 60 feet just don't make a discernable difference.
post #6427 of 10058
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Originally Posted by mikepaul View Post

Are they lying (OK, exaggerating) about Verizon's available bandwidth? With no completely compression-speckle-free HDTV showing up from TWC yet, I think 'almost limitless bandwidth' makes for a much better ad campaign...

you can read their spin on it here:

http://www22.verizon.com/content/fio...ut+fios+tv.htm

the channel lineup does look pretty good...

http://www22.verizon.com/Content/FiO...nel+Lineup.htm
post #6428 of 10058
When will Verizon be offering home HDTV cable service in Columbia?
post #6429 of 10058
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Originally Posted by kevinivey View Post

When will Verizon be offering home HDTV cable service in Columbia?

when LexHiDef's dream of free market cable competition comes true.
post #6430 of 10058
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Originally Posted by mikepaul View Post

Are they lying (OK, exaggerating) about Verizon's available bandwidth? With no completely compression-speckle-free HDTV showing up from TWC yet, I think 'almost limitless bandwidth' makes for a much better ad campaign...

No exaggeration. Verizon is fully capable now in the FIOS areas of offering 644Mbit internet d/l bandwith to each customer without affecting the video and phone side of FIOS. They currently don't as there is nothing out on the internet that requires that amount of speed (yet). However they do offer a 30Mbit d/l package that costs less than TWC Premium RR
post #6431 of 10058
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Originally Posted by kevinivey View Post

When will Verizon be offering home HDTV cable service in Columbia?


Not unless we can get Bellsouth (now back to ATT) to release their *monopoly* on Columbia.

Sumter, MB, and other SC areas that currently has Verizon home phone service "may" see FIOS rollouts next year. Of course it will have to be cleared by the local governments.
post #6432 of 10058
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Originally Posted by scruffy7 View Post

you can read their spin on it here:

http://www22.verizon.com/content/fio...ut+fios+tv.htm

the channel lineup does look pretty good...

http://www22.verizon.com/Content/FiO...nel+Lineup.htm

The channel lineup IS damn good and will only get better.

Reason...... Verizon doesn't do much of the BS "negotiation" routines that other companies do. It's pretty much "We want it...how much does it cost?"
post #6433 of 10058
It one thing to have a market, and it's entirely a different thing when your trying to establish one.

TWC will most likely add these channels shortly. The reason why is it now makes good business sense. The sales of HDTV has boomed, and they need to keep the customers they have, and they need to add more customers.
post #6434 of 10058
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Originally Posted by kevinivey View Post

It one thing to have a market, and it's entirely a different thing when your trying to establish one.

TWC will most likely add these channels shortly. The reason why is it now makes good business sense. The sales of HDTV has boomed, and they need to keep the customers they have, and they need to add more customers.

IMO, Time Warner and Disney will probably come together at some point (in Disney's favor). It will happen when TWC figures they will keep/add more subs than they will lose when they do add ESPN-2. If I remember correctly what has been written here at AVS in the past, Disney is bullying TWC given the ESPN-2 fee schedule is based upon a total subscriber basis and not just HD-Tier subs. I (like many I suspect) are neutral/ambilvilent in regards to TWC adding ESPN-2 to the lineup..... as long as it does not cost me money. Raise MY monthly bill by $4 to $5 (or whatever) so you can have that one extra HD channel would (will) raise my ire quite a bit. YMMV but some of do have a ceiling of what we will send to TWC each month. Now as to why they have not added some of the other channels given they have SDV, not sure.. especially for those that are subscription/premium services.
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Bruce
post #6435 of 10058
I suspect little or no channel changes before August. Time Warner plans to spin off Time Warner Cable as a separate publicly traded entity after the Adelphia transaction closes, expected by July 31.
post #6436 of 10058
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Originally Posted by bdenman View Post

....I (like many I suspect) are neutral/ambilvilent in regards to TWC adding ESPN-2 to the lineup...

You must not be a soccer fan...The world cup has been amazing in HD via Directv. Even today during all the rain
post #6437 of 10058
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Originally Posted by Rich_SC View Post

You must not be a soccer fan...The world cup has been amazing in HD via Directv. Even today during all the rain

NO, he is just like the other 90% of Americans that think Soccer sucks!
post #6438 of 10058
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Originally Posted by DianaTWCSC View Post

For example - ESPN Scheduling put together a stunt once for ESPN Classic in which there were a series of Clemson v Carolina games on - all of which Clemson won. They came to us and asked if we would hype it. We said no - it has to be at least 50/50 on the outcome or we will get killed. They didn't care, they didn't understand why we wouldn't partner with them and they aired the games as they had already scheduled them even though we were about a month out.

Sorry but there just isnt that much footage of games where carolina actually beats Clemson. Blame carolina for that not ESPN.
post #6439 of 10058
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Not unless we can get Bellsouth (now back to ATT) to release their *monopoly* on Columbia.

Sumter, MB, and other SC areas that currently has Verizon home phone service "may" see FIOS rollouts next year. Of course it will have to be cleared by the local governments.

I wouldnt expect to see it in Sumter any time soon, the telephone infrastructure there is so outdated. They cant even offer DSL service there, except to a limited few.
post #6440 of 10058
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Originally Posted by kjpjr View Post

...It appears that we will go another season without ESPN2HD football and NFL Network football games but I got my start over that I never use so that must be good because TWC corporate cares about me

I couldnt agree more with every single word you just said.

TWC is a joke. Until there is actually some competition you will get what they want you to have or what is finacially beneficial to them to give to you. I mean who really gives a rip about the interactive info or start over? I've never used either one of them.... ever. I too, want more channels. Is TWC too blind to see that if you give us more channels we'll all be happy instead of spending all that money on the other crap that no one gives a rats azz about?

And I know Diana is a wonderful person who is kind enough to help us all out, but take what she says with a grain of salt when it comes to the Verizon or cable over telephone lines issue. She is Director of Marketing for TWCSC not Verizon or an indepent company. She's not going to say "Oh yeah Verizon will kick our azz if they ever get to come into SC but we are spending millions lobbying the legislature so that never happens." Shes doing what cable companies have always been good at, using what I call cable-speak. Rightfully so though, TWCSC is her employer and its her job to defend them and bend facts to make them look better.
post #6441 of 10058
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Originally Posted by Nucleartiger View Post

NO, he is just like the other 90% of Americans that think Soccer sucks!

Soccer doesnt suck. And there is no way that 90% of Americans think that. Youth soccer is second to little league baseball in sports participation. Its like golf though, great sport to play, terrible sport to watch on tv. Has to be the more fun to watch paint dry than to watch a soccer match on tv. Then they play the American game during the middle of the day, while everybody's at work.
post #6442 of 10058
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Originally Posted by D-rock0030 View Post


TWC is a joke. Until there is actually some competition you will get what they want you to have or what is finacially beneficial to them to give to you. I mean who really gives a rip about the interactive info or start over? I've never used either one of them.... ever. I too, want more channels. Is TWC too blind to see that if you give us more channels we'll all be happy instead of spending all that money on the other crap that no one gives a rats azz about?

so because you've never ever used any of the interactive features or start over nobody should be interested in them, right?

once again, the validity of your argument is dependent on the premise that it is an either/or thing and i don't see what they have to do with adding HD channels.

it seems like everyone is indulging in idle speculation, so i guess i will too...the deals are made at the corporate level and cover all TWC systems. i don't know how many have switched video and can afford the bandwidth yet but i'd guess it's not the majority. maybe they are not making these deals until most systems can add the channels when the deals are made? i dunno, but sounds as reasonable as anything else.

and i'll side with Bruce on being neutral/ambivalent about ESPN2-HD...i only watch the occasional baseball game on ESPN and more than enough of my monthly bill goes to them already...
post #6443 of 10058
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Originally Posted by D-rock0030 View Post

"Oh yeah Verizon will kick our azz if they ever get to come into SC but we are spending millions lobbying the legislature so that never happens."

Perhaps you should educate yourself about the COPE Act before you babble on much further.
post #6444 of 10058
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Originally Posted by DianaTWCSC
For example - ESPN Scheduling put together a stunt once for ESPN Classic in which there were a series of Clemson v Carolina games on - all of which Clemson won. They came to us and asked if we would hype it. We said no - it has to be at least 50/50 on the outcome or we will get killed. They didn't care, they didn't understand why we wouldn't partner with them and they aired the games as they had already scheduled them even though we were about a month out.



Sorry but there just isnt that much footage of games where carolina actually beats Clemson. Blame carolina for that not ESPN.

Not to worry Carolina fans, CSS never shows a Clemson game in which they win!!!!
post #6445 of 10058
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Originally Posted by D-rock0030 View Post

I wouldnt expect to see it in Sumter any time soon, the telephone infrastructure there is so outdated. They cant even offer DSL service there, except to a limited few.


You can blame the Sumter government for that.
post #6446 of 10058
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

Perhaps you should educate yourself about the COPE Act before you babble on much further.

What does the COPE Act have to do with Verizon FIOS coming to Columbia?
post #6447 of 10058
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

What does the COPE Act have to do with Verizon FIOS coming to Columbia?

The thinking is video, voice and data markets will open up without local franchising as you now know it.
post #6448 of 10058
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

The thinking is video, voice and data markets will open up without local franchising as you now know it.

Local franchising? You're kidding right? TWC has a strangle hold on Columbia and will not allow any other "smaller" cable co enter this market if they want to use TWC lines. Same goes for Bellsouth (now ATT).

Verizon has the cash and will power to lay their own lines, but have to deal with local governments and the local 'competition" regarding that buildout.

Shouldn't the COPE Act be directed to TWCSC and ATT?

If I'm missing something, please enlighten me.
post #6449 of 10058
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Local franchising? You're kidding right?
If I'm missing something, please enlighten me.

The COPE bill (passed the House, in the Senate) would replace local cable franchises with national franchises (FCC). Do the research.
post #6450 of 10058
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Not unless we can get Bellsouth (now back to ATT) to release their *monopoly* on Columbia.

Sumter, MB, and other SC areas that currently has Verizon home phone service "may" see FIOS rollouts next year. Of course it will have to be cleared by the local governments.


Its being installed in NMB now, the fiber is already in the ground in some places. Its going to be turned on in area's from what I understand, but I'm not sure of the timetable. It will be phone and internet at first, then video sometime later.

Verizon doesn't appear to be pushing the video all that hard for now except where its already on. I think they are still working on everything trying to make sure its like they want, before they have too many subscibers. There are rumors they want to change cable boxes from Motorola to a tivo based unit, with 6 tuners.

There is plenty of information about how verizon's FIOS really works, one just has to read in the right places. A verbal war has been going on for quite awhile between Comcast and Verizon, about fiber to the home. Its been kind of amusing actually.

Verizon is installing FIOS for the future, finally replacing the copper. The only real way for existing cable to actually compete is with new technology, like SDV and other things. Its true they're already doing more with copper than anyone thought possible just a few years ago.

Of course the bandwith isn't limitless but they can offer high speed internet, like 30mb/5 (and faster) with hundreds of HD channels, without doing the tricks cable is having to already do. Also they were running CAT5 wire and still will, but they can use existing coxa.

Of course the bottom line is its still just a picture to the TV so it will be interesting to see how it works out. Verizon won't be everywhere anyway. I would like to see that COPE bill past myself, plenty of states already have their on version of it. SC has something going on like that , but I don't know where it stands now, because of course there are some against it.
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