The Official INTEGRA DTR-7.8 Thread - Page 3

You see my post of the copy of the email i got from integra CS?
They are calling it a firmware upgrade.
And i did ask again about a firmware update...

"Thank you for the resopnse.
Will there be any need for a firmware update?"

"Rob,
If you are having an issue with playing DTS-HD MASTER AUDIO than you would need to do the update.
Bob Elder"

I'm no expert on this, but I'll take a stab at it. One variable in this situation is the Double Bass function. If you have it set to ON, according to manual it will "feed front left and right channel bass sounds to the subwoofer in addition to the LFE channel bass". If you don't have it turned on (set to OFF), then the sub will only output LFE channel (page 98 in the manual)

The way you have it set up, depending on your DoubleBass settings, I would assume the following- if you have DoubleBass enabled (On), you're getting LFE plus some bass from the FR/FL channels sent to your sub. If you have DoubleBass turned off, then what you stated sounds correct- anything below the crossover to your surrounds is being funneled to your sub.

If you drop the sub, according to the manual, the fronts will be fixed at Full Band in the Speaker Setup (page 97).

Hopefully this makes some sense, I always have to reread my replies a few times before posting them, haha.

-Tyler

Tyler,

Double bass was waaaaayyyyyyy too much bass w/ the lfe and 7002s doing double duty.
It'd be nice to drop the sub, and have the xover go to the 7002s, which i guess i had at one point, w/ my lfe being split, and sent to 7002s. 7002 set to large also.
Ok... i'm gonna stop cuz i'm dizzy.

Loving my 7.8.

In my opinion the THX certification doesn't really mean much. The way I understand it, THX certified speakers are manufactured in a way that a crossover of 80Hz produces the "best" performance out of THOSE speakers since they're probably tailored to overlap/blend the best at that frequency. I bet that this doesn't apply to the other 95% of the speaker market that isn't THX certified. More than anything it's what sounds best to you. For me, during music I run my mains full band with double bass on and then for movies I run them at 60Hz and look, they still perform just fine

As far as what crossover sounds good, like I said, just experiment and see what sounds the best. I did a quick search and your speakers are specified as 36Hz-20kHz +/-3dB, so I honestly think you could drop that crossover even lower if you wanted to...like I mentioned earlier, I have different configurations for music and movies since music (usually) doesn't contain as much punishing LFE as movies do. Just remember that the higher the crossover, the more your sub's sound can become localizable over your mains...in your case you shouldn't have any problems with a crossover lower than 80Hz for music.



The OSD is still confusing to me even after reading the manual. On page 107 it says for the OSD setup "Even if On is selected, operation details are not output if the input source is connected to a COMPONENT VIDEO IN or HDMI IN." However, after doing some Google searching, I came across this thread from a while back on AVS, where someone said you can only show the OSD at 720p resolution and lower, which is somewhat disappointing. I have mine hooked up to a 720p display, so that might be why I can see the OSD. Do you have yours hooked up to a 1080p display? That unfortunately might be the reason why you don't see anything from the OSD, sorry


The HD camps are divided over what "is better", PCM (internally decoded by the player) or Bitstream (receiver does the decoding). The DACs in the Integra 7.8 are not cheap by any measure- they're fairly high-end Burr Brown models. Again, this may come down to personal preference- I would switch back and forth and see which one sounds better to you. Of course if you bitstream an HD codec to the Integra you get the additional benefit of seeing something impressive like "DTS-HD Master Audio" pop up on the display on the receiver

One word of caution- if you are planning to run bitstream, I would urge you to perform the DSP update that has been mentioned in this thread a few times. Apparently there is a problem with DTS-HD tracks where people have experienced a "bomb" or loud pop on that track that could damage equipment/speakers, and this DSP update fixes that. It is very easy to accomplish, you just need a CD-R to burn the update to and a CD player with an optical cable to Opt 1 IN on the Integra.

Good luck to you, hope this helps. If not, post back and I can always try again

-Tyler

Actually I made an error in my earlier post, the manual on page 98 says that Double Bass can only be enabled if you have the sub enabled as well, so DB isn't an option if your sub is disabled. What do you have your LPF for LFE set to right now? If it's any higher than 80Hz, maybe try lowering it? I also just thought of something, since your speakers are running full band, they theoretically should (try to) reproduce any frequency thrown at them, so if there's no sub, then your 7002's SHOULD playback everything in the soundtrack since they don't have a crossover.

Since your surrounds DO have a crossover, I assume they would "drop" anything below the crossover, which is currently picked up by your 7002's. So yeah, i think you have it right If you have the sub disabled, the 7002's and anything else marked as "Full Band" will take over bass frequency duty below the point where your surrounds roll off.

So one more time so I might get this right! If your LCR are Full Band and are spec'd for example as being 40Hz-20kHz, surrounds lets say are 60Hz-20kHz and crossover listed as 80.
--> With the subwoofer ON and DoubleBass ON, LCR gets the full range signal and plays it down to 40Hz in addition to sending some FR/FL bass to the sub, surrounds get everything down to 80Hz, send the rest to the sub
--> With the subwoofer ON and DoubleBass OFF, LCR gets full range signal and plays it down to 40Hz but DOES NOT send FR/FL bass to the sub, surrounds get everything down to 80Hz, send rest to the sub.
--> With the subwoofer OFF, LCR gets full range signal including any LFE/bass responsibilities, surrounds get everything down to 80Hz, anything below that would be the responsibility of the LCR down to the 40Hz limit since there is no sub.

Whew! I think I got it right that time around...maybe :P

Tyler

This is from page 96-98 of the manual.
Specify Full Band for speakers that can output low-frequency
bass sounds adequately, for example, speakers
with a good sized woofer. For smaller speakers, specify
a crossover frequency. Sounds below the crossover frequency
will then be output by the subwoofer instead of
the speaker. Refer to your speakers’ manuals to determine
the optimum crossover frequencies.
It states sounds below the xover are sent to the sub, but what if you have sub set to 'no'. I cant find where it says that those lower frequencies are sent to the mains, which are set to large.

Double Bass
With this setting, you can boost bass output by feeding
front left and right channel bass sounds to the subwoofer.
This setting can only be made if the Subwoofer setting in
step 4 is set to Yes, and the Front setting in step 5 is set
to Full Band.
The bass in my LCR is real nice. With it being doubled to the LFE sub, was way too much.

And i'm not sure what the LPF of the LFE would do w/ double bass.
Low-Pass Filter for the LFE Channel
With this setting, you can specify the cutoff frequency of
the LFE channel’s low-pass filter (LPF), which can be
used to filter out unwanted hum. The LPF only applies to
sources that use the LFE channel.

I guess in the end it really shouldn't matter, cuz my system's kickin' @ss!

The way I think of it, when you set the sub to "no", the mains are automatically set to "full band" which to me says that basically any and all frequencies of sound are sent to the speakers, and they will try to reproduce it. When you have a crossover, it drastically rolls off the signal below that crossover point.

So I guess what I'm saying is that when your subwoofer is disabled and your mains are set to full range/band, all of those frequencies normally diverted by a crossover to the sub are now being sent in full to your main speakers. I think it's all about whether or not you have "limiters" enabled via the crossover. When you disable the sub, mains are switched on to full band, so these "limiters" are removed (no crossover), and the bass/LFE signals normally diverted by the "limiter" to the sub are now sent to the mains. Granted the mains probably can't reproduce those lower tones as efficiently/loudly as the sub, but nonetheless they are now receiving those signals instead of the sub.

Tyler, i get what your thinking.
I'm guessing that theory is right... i'd be surprised if they just let the freq's below the xover drop away if no lfe sub was 'on'.

btw, i'm running Def Tech 7002s(15 Hz – 30 kHz) w/ built in subs, and a center CLR3000(19 Hz – 30 kHz)w/ built in sub... so they carry the base plenty. My surrounds BPX (38 Hz – 30 kHz).
The sub i have hooked up is when i had a satelite system, 18 Hz – 150 Hz.

Try calling Integra Tech Support. That's quick fix.

I recently upgraded my TV from an old Sony WEGA to the Pioneer Elite 110FD 50" Plasma which is BEAUTIFUL, but I am having trouble getting my Nintendo Wii to show up properly when running it via my Integra DTR 7.8. I have a PS3, HD Digital Cable, and HTPC all successfully running into the Integra and then out to the Plasma via Audioquest-X HDMI 1.3 cable. I have tried running the Nintendo Wii running into the DTR 7.8 via the composite AND the component video cable, but the picture comes out *VERY* white-washed out and the colors are extremely off (I am not nitpicking here, the colors are THAT BAD).. I have already tried hooking the Wii up dirctly to the plasma panel and it works fine, so I know the problem definitely has something to do with the Integra hook-up or configuration. I've tried using all 3 component hook-ups via the Integra and have the GAME/TV assigned to each of them, as well as the composite hook-up, and it still won't come out properly. Can anyone describe exactly how they have their Wii running through their Integra receiver and give me any possible information on settings to adjust to anything else I can try to get this to work?

Thanks much!

icfame, my wii runs to my 7.8 via composite and out to my PJ via hdmi.
The 7.8 rescales to 720 via hdmi.
My colors are just fine, but the picture is in 4:3.
Try running component to the elite, and see how the 7.8 handles composite to component.

Update on my DTR-7.8 component issue.. Hopefully someone can help..

Here's what works:

Wii - - DTR-7.8 - Pioneer 110FD
Wii - - DTR-7.8 - Pioneer 110FD
Wii - - DTR-7.8 - Pioneer 110FD
HD Digital Cable - - DTR-7.8 - Pioneer 110FD

Here's what DOES NOT work (picture comes out VERY whitewashed):

Wii - - DTR-7.8 - Pioneer 110FD
HD Digital Cable - - DTR-7.8 - Pioneer 110FD

Based on these tests, it looks like I've isolated the issue to running a component IN to the DTR-7.8, while running HDMI OUT to my panel TV. The picture does come out 16:9, unlike the issues some other folks were having. Based on my setup (TV mounted on wall), I only have the HDMI running out from the DTR, and I don't want multiple cables. It seems that the issue has to do with when I am running a component in, and an HDMI out. Does anyone have any ideas to fix this?

Thanks much!

The 1.08 Main firmware Onkyo 805/Integra 7.8 is available for download (my signature)
Apply through the rear RS232 port and enjoy

Hey All --

Just wanted to ask this simple question -- anyone have any opinion on which is a better unit?

I have a loyal Pioneer Eliter receiver guy for many years and my local AV installer is trying to convince me (very softly) that this would be a better option for me.

I have compared the specs and features ad naseaum. Its mostly a trade-off. Get something better in one, lose another feature from the other.

I am mainly concerned about the quality the unit, so thoughts or opinions are greatly appreciated...

BK

I've had two Integra units, an older 7.2 and my present 7.8. I have found not one thing to be wanting or lacking in either of my Integras. In terms of bang for the buck, I couldn't be happier.

Plus, I have to say it, on the list of "dumbest reasons ever to like one product over another", I actually like that the Integra has white lights on the front display and not orange coloured ones. Yes, truly lame.

One of the biggest differences is in the weight of the receivers. The Integra weighs twice as much as the Pioneer and I believe that is almost exclusively down to the difference in power supplies. The Integra ain't monkeying around.

I looked at the Pioneer Elite 92 when I was upgrading and when push came to shove, the Integra just had more of what I wanted for a better price. If your AV guy is quietly pushing you towards the Integra, you might want to ask him why he's doing so and what the benefit is to you.

But all in all, I'm quite the happy Integra owner.

hey guys great site i found this the other day and am very happy to be part of it. I myself going to buy a integra 7.8 too i feel its about the right one for my needs went onto the web site found local dealers seems none want to sell me the thing no replies from e-mail so i was wondering if any of you would refer me to the sales guy or company you used and send me private message on what price i should try to get here is my e-mail as well thanks. madmaxmad1966@yahoo.com

Surprising to hear that dealers aren't responding to your inquiries.

However, if you're relatively close to any of the dealers, I'd recommend going in and listening to the receiver personally first before trying to purchase it. One of the reasons that you might not be hearing back from the dealers is that most prefer to deal with clients in person.

Just a hunch. Plus, Integra dealers aren't allowed to deal over the Internet so far as I know.

one got back too me and come to find out we both worked at a hi fi company back in the early 90s he gave me a fair price and he also is selling me his integra hd dvd player i thought that would be a nice match even though blu ray won the war there still is a great collection of movies to get so for me ill start with hd dvd then in fall i buy the panasonic bd 50 when its out im picking up the hd dvd player tomorow and the reciever later.

thanks for the feedback. Out of curioisty, is anyone else using the 7.8 with a Samsung BDP-1400 blu-ray. I am having a strange problem with my Elite 92 and am returning it for the 7.8.

Any time the resolution changes on the Blu-ray I lose synch with the HDMI and need to change inputs. This is so annoying. Curious if anyone else has seen or heard of that...

Thanks...

bk, i'm having something similar...
The signal from my HD DVR cable box is not making it through upon start up.
If i pull the cable out from the 7.8 and back in, it works fine.
I'm using a monoprice 28awg 3ft hdmi 1.3a.
I spoke to monoprice CS and they said some equipment(ie: my cable box) needs a heavier awg hdmi to pass the signal.
I ordered a few more 24awg hdmi 1.3s to give it a try.
I hope to have them early next week.

Question, how come when setting system up with Audyssey, there ins't any speaker who's set up to be 0db, all my channels are on the - side, what's the focus point on the Audyssey , there should be at least one of the channel who should be 0db as reference. I'm in the -9db to - 5.5db range for my channels, so i have to crank up the volume to 74 to fill my 10'x19' room

Thanks

Sacha

Ugh! Anyone seen this before after the 1.08 update through the R232? It only flashed on the screen for a moment and then goes away. Doesn't seem good though...

Nevermind. Found it in the post #1506 in the Integra Firmware upgrade thread...

Pshhhew...

I was not impressed at all w/ the audessy in my room (13x18) so i just did it manually... sounds great now!

My Audessy gave me some absolutely whacky readings and had me 8 feet further away from the speakers than I actually was. I'll rerun it again just for fun, but this time with the Audessy on a tripod to do it a bit more precisely. That's what a friend of mine did and he got readings almost exactly to what he had tape measured previously.

I am considering getting one of these second hand, not sure what the deals you guys are getting on it, comparable to the new price of the 805? What would be a good used price on the 7.8?

Also is the 3-year warranty going to be honored if I buy it used?

Hi all,
Im interested in the Integra 7.8 and am upgrading from a pioneer elite 47tx. I have 2 front towers each with a 12" subwoofer in them and am running them to my 47tx receiver's Sub preouts(2 of them). Im curious if the Integra 7.8 has 2 sub preouts on it?

Thanks

todd2112, it only has 1 sub pre-out.
I have DT 7002s w/ built in subs and dont run any LFE-RCA to them, just the speaker wire. I've tried it both ways, and dont hear the benefit of the RCA.

rr30i, might I ask how you have your speakers hooked up to your receiver. It sounds like we have a similar setup as I have the DT 2002s. Mine are biwired with the LFEs going to the Preouts on the receiver. Im not using a separate sub. I have the same center channel as you as well. Are you using a separate sub along with your towers?

Okay guys. I am on the 7.8 bandwagon. Just got mine set up a couple of days ago and am having issues with the HD audio formats. I am using a PS3 for my Blu-ray player. I have HDMI going from the PS3 to the 7.8. I can get all the normal DD,DD EX, DTS, DTS-ES audio formats but none of the HD ones, am I doing something wrong?

Make sure ps3 is set to lpcm. Also set the 7.8 is set to multichannel.