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post #121 of 221
2/22/08 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by phansson View Post

I bet that it will look better on my system. I had an original HD D1 which had no 1080p/24 output.

I hadn't realized how much I had gotten used to 24hz output. The motion blur with "transformers" on HD DVD was pretty noticeable on my system.

Can't wait for the PCM track.

Without a doubt it will look better on my PS3 than my HD-A3 if they used the same encode.

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post #122 of 221
2/22/08 at 11:07am
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Originally Posted by Bailey151 View Post

Just ask Sony how it feels to go from market leader to also ran in the display market

What are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by Calamus View Post

Well, we don't really know that they will re-encode all their titles to take advantage of Blu-ray's greater storage and bandwidth. If they don't do it on Transformers I bet I know at least one person that will be a little upset. Care to guess

Word is that the encode for Transformers was already done a while ago and it was indeed optimized for BD. That doesn't mean that all of their back-catalog titles will be, though.

Brandon
post #123 of 221
2/22/08 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

Word is that the encode for Transformers was already done a while ago and it was indeed optimized for BD. That doesn't mean that all of their back-catalog titles will be, though.

Brandon

I don't think there's much reason to assume that the same encodes will be used for any title from Paramount or Dreamworks. Paramount, unlike Warner, were quite solidly in the camp of separate encoding, and are a primary source of information for discussion about AVC vs. VC-1 vs. MPEG-2 encoding since they often used completely different codecs to produce the Blu-ray versus the HD DVD versions of their films.

The only exceptions might be the handful of titles released over the past six or so months. Given the level of agitation from Michael Bay, I don't think there's any chance of Transformers not getting a better encode, or he's going to look awfully silly (which remains a possibility - though a small one).
post #124 of 221
2/22/08 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by briankmonkey View Post

The Blades of Glory blu-ray discs have PCM tracks.

not officially released yet therefore doesn't count.

i also said "they have not given" in which case they havent, since BoG was never released.
post #125 of 221
2/22/08 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 View Post

not officially released yet therefore doesn't count.

i also said "they have not given" in which case they havent, since BoG was never released.

A few copies did sneak out into the wild. Missions acquired a few copies and posted plenty of proof.
post #126 of 221
2/22/08 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 View Post

not officially released yet therefore doesn't count.

i also said "they have not given" in which case they havent, since BoG was never released.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ5JiaJawvU

Brandon
post #127 of 221
2/22/08 at 3:49pm
um... i know a few copies were out. but paramount never gave them to us, they were leaked out. paramount was simply unsuccessful in pulling every single copy off the shelves.
post #128 of 221
2/22/08 at 4:05pm
I never cancelled my pre-order from Amazon for Blades of Glory on BD. Every month or so, I just need to keep authorizing them to continue waiting. Last time I had to authorize, it gave me a shipping estimate of March 19, 2008.
post #129 of 221
2/22/08 at 6:56pm
So much for the contention that HD-DVD owners are going Blue..
post #130 of 221
2/22/08 at 7:14pm
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Originally Posted by cityscapex5 View Post

So much for the contention that HD-DVD owners are going Blue..

There are two types of dead format owners:

(1) The dead format owners who genuinely love movies. They will go Blu no matter what, it's just a matter of time. I would imagine that 95%+ of category (1) will be Blu by this Christmas, especially if the rumored $200 Profile 2.0 players come to pass. The remaining 5% will be Blu before Christmas 2009 when players reach the $150 or less range. I would imagine that out of the 730,000 dead format players sold, at least 95% of those people are in category (1).

(2) The dead format owners who love formats. They will not go Blu because they never cared about the movies, they just cared about hating Sony or worshipping Toshiba/Microsoft or whatever it is they were doing. These people will not go Blu unless they break the bounds of their cultlike devotion. Fortunately the people in category (2) are much fewer than the people in category (1), so in essence they don't matter one iota in the long run because there's probably a few thousand people in category (2) at most.

Well, technically there is a category (3), the people who already went Purple before the end of the war. But since they are already Blu this categorization doesn't really apply to them.
post #131 of 221
2/22/08 at 7:27pm
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Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel View Post

There are two types of dead format owners:

(1) The dead format owners who genuinely love movies. They will go Blu no matter what, it's just a matter of time. I would imagine that 95%+ of category (1) will be Blu by this Christmas, especially if the rumored $200 Profile 2.0 players come to pass. The remaining 5% will be Blu before Christmas 2009 when players reach the $150 or less range. I would imagine that out of the 730,000 dead format players sold, at least 95% of those people are in category (1).

(2) The dead format owners who love formats. They will not go Blu because they never cared about the movies, they just cared about hating Sony or worshipping Toshiba/Microsoft or whatever it is they were doing. These people will not go Blu unless they break the bounds of their cultlike devotion. Fortunately the people in category (2) are much fewer than the people in category (1), so in essence they don't matter one iota in the long run because there's probably a few thousand people in category (2) at most.

Well, technically there is a category (3), the people who already went Purple before the end of the war. But since they are already Blu this categorization doesn't really apply to them.

Nailed it.
post #132 of 221
2/22/08 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel View Post

There are two types of dead format owners:

(1) The dead format owners who genuinely love movies. They will go Blu no matter what, it's just a matter of time. I would imagine that 95%+ of category (1) will be Blu by this Christmas, especially if the rumored $200 Profile 2.0 players come to pass. The remaining 5% will be Blu before Christmas 2009 when players reach the $150 or less range. I would imagine that out of the 730,000 dead format players sold, at least 95% of those people are in category (1).

(2) The dead format owners who love formats. They will not go Blu because they never cared about the movies, they just cared about hating Sony or worshipping Toshiba/Microsoft or whatever it is they were doing. These people will not go Blu unless they break the bounds of their cultlike devotion. Fortunately the people in category (2) are much fewer than the people in category (1), so in essence they don't matter one iota in the long run because there's probably a few thousand people in category (2) at most.

Well, technically there is a category (3), the people who already went Purple before the end of the war. But since they are already Blu this categorization doesn't really apply to them.

Why would anyone love a format?
post #133 of 221
2/22/08 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

Nailed it.

There's also another type - the type who loves movies, so will get Blu-ray, but will also keep buying HD-DVD because he likes collecting dead formats too... I'm that type of person.
post #134 of 221
2/22/08 at 7:32pm
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Originally Posted by Disclord View Post

There's also another type - the type who loves movies, so will get Blu-ray, but will also keep buying HD-DVD because he likes collecting dead formats too... I'm that type of person.

Coleco cartridges still work.
post #135 of 221
2/22/08 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by HDDVDRocks View Post

Why would anyone love a format?

Isn't it a bit ironic that someone with the username "HDDVDRocks" would ask that question?

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Originally Posted by Disclord View Post

There's also another type - the type who loves movies, so will get Blu-ray, but will also keep buying HD-DVD because he likes collecting dead formats too... I'm that type of person.



post #136 of 221
2/22/08 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by Disclord View Post

There's also another type - the type who loves movies, so will get Blu-ray, but will also keep buying HD-DVD because he likes collecting dead formats too... I'm that type of person.

Speaking of which, where are the super crazy fire sales for $5 each? Amazon is still charging regular price, and all the B&M stores are status quo. Outside of the Hollywood Video 2 for $20 offer, there's nothing going on.

I can tell you that for $5 apiece I would definitely stock up on some HD DVD movies which were catalog titles or not eye-candy action titles where I didn't care too much about lossless audio.
post #137 of 221
2/22/08 at 7:52pm
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Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel View Post

Speaking of which, where are the super crazy fire sales for $5 each? Amazon is still charging regular price, and all the B&M stores are status quo. Outside of the Hollywood Video 2 for $20 offer, there's nothing going on.

I can tell you that for $5 apiece I would definitely stock up on some HD DVD movies which were catalog titles or not eye-candy action titles where I didn't care too much about lossless audio.

I would guess that they realize that there may still be some demand for HD DVD software. Certainly more so than hardware. I wouldn't necessarily expect to see those fire sale type of prices for the software anytime soon.

$5 each? Yeah, I would consider picking up HD DVD titles at that price!
post #138 of 221
2/22/08 at 9:20pm
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Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel View Post

(1) The dead format owners who genuinely love movies. They will go Blu no matter what, it's just a matter of time.

Some of them went Blu before the Warner announcement
post #139 of 221
2/22/08 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel View Post

Speaking of which, where are the super crazy fire sales for $5 each? Amazon is still charging regular price, and all the B&M stores are status quo. Outside of the Hollywood Video 2 for $20 offer, there's nothing going on.

I can tell you that for $5 apiece I would definitely stock up on some HD DVD movies which were catalog titles or not eye-candy action titles where I didn't care too much about lossless audio.

From what I hear the studios and Toshiba are deciding they'll take back and what will get cleared out and providing credits for the latter. Basically I don't think (m)any retailers are selling at a loss yet. Maybe if one retailer starts a real firesale the bottom will drop out, but I suspect the studios might get more generous with returns rather than let that happen. They're trying to keep it graceful rather than eat major losses. As we know from number crunching, inventory isn't cheap.
post #140 of 221
2/23/08 at 12:58pm
Enough.
post #141 of 221
2/23/08 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by HDDVDRocks View Post

If you read my earlier posts, I bought an HD DVD player (actually just an upconverting DVD player) trying to get into HD. After posting about how great I thought the picture quality was, people on this board told me that not only was my player not HD, my TV WAS NOT HD. I bought it from a neighbor who told me it was HD, and it wasn't cheap.

So anyway, I don't necessarily love a "format" but when your wife is constantly on your you know what about your purchase, you would get a little excited.

Now I have the XA2 and will enjoy it for as long as I can. Sorry if this offends anyone, probably shouldn't with all of the biased reporting about Blu Ray

Oh, my gosh, that's too funny! Not for you, because you spent the money and probably got ripped off by a 'friend' - it's just funny because of the real-world example of the confusion "HD" up-converting players cause. It happened to someone I know too - my partners boss - I had been raving to him about how great King Kong on my A2 looked and a few weeks later he told me he had decided to take the plunge and buy an HD player - I asked him if he bought HD-DVD or Blu-ray? He looked at me funny and said "It's an HD player." Later, I went upstairs and looked at it - it's a simple up-converting player - with "High-Definition 1080P" emblazoned across the front! I felt bad telling him that he wouldn't be playing any of the neat HD-DVD or Blu-ray titles that he had on his shelf - you see, the guy who sold him the player ALSO sold him some BD/HD discs! BOTH formats! At home, looking at the red and blue jackets and the logos at the top, he just figured they were studio logo's that didn't really mean anything to him, kinda like the custom "Disney DVD" logo. I felt SO INCREDIBLY BAD telling him what the reality of the situation was.

I really think the confusion would be eliminated if native High-Definition products and broadcasts were called "Hi-Vision", like HD is called in Japan. And up-converting HDMI DVD players and up-converted broadcasts would NOT be allowed to carry the name or logo. I believe that it would work, and work well.
post #142 of 221
2/23/08 at 7:10pm
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Originally Posted by eci View Post

I can't wait to see the better colors on Transformers since every frame will be personally color timed by Michael Bay.

Please dont go there. Bay is the Transformer god now since hes responsible for there creation now. (SARCASM)
post #143 of 221
2/23/08 at 7:34pm
Paramount's Transformers?

Sorry to say but me and the kids were so bored with this movie, a with most newer movies esp Bay ones, we had to remove it from the player.

Whats with the stipid horn sounds and fake helicopter sounds throught?

Good thing I rented it.

Recent movies are so lame brained, reflects current culture.
post #144 of 221
2/23/08 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by Disclord View Post

Oh, my gosh, that's too funny! Not for you, because you spent the money and probably got ripped off by a 'friend' - it's just funny because of the real-world example of the confusion "HD" up-converting players cause. It happened to someone I know too - my partners boss - I had been raving to him about how great King Kong on my A2 looked and a few weeks later he told me he had decided to take the plunge and buy an HD player - I asked him if he bought HD-DVD or Blu-ray? He looked at me funny and said "It's an HD player." Later, I went upstairs and looked at it - it's a simple up-converting player - with "High-Definition 1080P" emblazoned across the front! I felt bad telling him that he wouldn't be playing any of the neat HD-DVD or Blu-ray titles that he had on his shelf - you see, the guy who sold him the player ALSO sold him some BD/HD discs! BOTH formats! At home, looking at the red and blue jackets and the logos at the top, he just figured they were studio logo's that didn't really mean anything to him, kinda like the custom "Disney DVD" logo. I felt SO INCREDIBLY BAD telling him what the reality of the situation was.

I really think the confusion would be eliminated if native High-Definition products and broadcasts were called "Hi-Vision", like HD is called in Japan. And up-converting HDMI DVD players and up-converted broadcasts would NOT be allowed to carry the name or logo. I believe that it would work, and work well.

So I'm not the only one...
post #145 of 221
2/23/08 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

I would guess that they realize that there may still be some demand for HD DVD software. Certainly more so than hardware. I wouldn't necessarily expect to see those fire sale type of prices for the software anytime soon.

$5 each? Yeah, I would consider picking up HD DVD titles at that price!

There has been a little motion on prices. Amazon had Zodiac for 5 dollars less than the same set on SD-DVD. Catalog titles will creep down a bit in price but I would expect newer releases to stay higher( for ever long as there are new releases). Anyone good with a crystal ball
post #146 of 221
2/25/08 at 7:11am
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Originally Posted by Bailey151 View Post

Just ask Sony how it feels to go from market leader to also ran in the display market

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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

What are you talking about?

Off topic, but an answer - Sony = 6th place in the current display sales, out of 6 (US market)..............who gained their share? Vizio........pricing.
post #147 of 221
2/25/08 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by briankmonkey View Post

Without a doubt it will look better on my PS3 than my HD-A3 if they used the same encode.

On your system? Definitely. If you are a fan, it's worth a BluRay re-dip.

To the avg reviewer who might compare both using similar playback/viewing criteria? My $$ says no.

Whether you liked the film or not, TRANSFORMERS is a pretty awesome HD demo & would be on either format.

I do think that the VISUAL aspect of a Blu version will not see any perceivable gains---maybe "on paper", but not to most human eyes. AUDIO, however, will surely see a lossless track, maybe even a new mix.

Wouldn't be shocked if it even gets some new bonus material & even a new Bay Blu-exclusive commentary - so he can espouse on how great both BluRay & Michael Bay are (the latter? I have my doubts in terms of greatness).
post #148 of 221
2/25/08 at 8:20am
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

Exactly. I paid $350 for my A30 last october, and I already thought it wasn't a bad deal... We can already get BD players for $400. People who seriously think an HDM player should just cost a few dollars more than a SDDVD player are not living in the same world.

And your A30 is complete. Fini. Good to go. No need to ever buy another player regardless of what discs are published.

Please point me to the same for Blu.

HD DVD is still available for reasonable prices. I would advise anyone looking to buy to get HD DVD players and titles at firesale prices and wait for Blu to catch up.
post #149 of 221
2/25/08 at 8:28am
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Originally Posted by foghorn2 View Post

Paramount's Transformers?

Sorry to say but me and the kids were so bored with this movie, a with most newer movies esp Bay ones, we had to remove it from the player.

Whats with the stipid horn sounds and fake helicopter sounds throught?

Good thing I rented it.

Recent movies are so lame brained, reflects current culture.

No offense dude, but man your kids are strange.

Every single kid I talked to watched that movie 10 damn times.
post #150 of 221
2/25/08 at 8:34am
OK ... so when can I get Angelina?

Beowulf is out tomorrow. Maybe they will blow out the HD DVD so I'll just get that ...
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