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post #2161 of 2184
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Hey HT fans. For anyone that might be interested, I think I'm the first guy looking to go smaller with his media server. Bit off more than I want to chew with the BIG Norco 4220. So if anyone was thinking of picking one up, or starting their own build...it's in great shape, and we can work out a price.

Thought I had a buyer, but it looks like they're going to pass.

CD
post #2162 of 2184
Oh no, Why?? Don't use it?
post #2163 of 2184
Hey CD,

What's with the downgrading? I thought you were happy with the Norco case?

Are you selling just the case, or the whole thing MB & all?

Shame i'm not closer, as i would have taken the case. I'm looking for a bigger case, as my setup has now mushroomed into two cases!!

Look forward to hearing an update on this issue!! Can't believe your downgrading, you should of stuck with that Ark case.

Cheers
Lee
post #2164 of 2184
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Originally Posted by Cosmic023 View Post

Hey CD,

What's with the downgrading? I thought you were happy with the Norco case?

Are you selling just the case, or the whole thing MB & all?

Shame i'm not closer, as i would have taken the case. I'm looking for a bigger case, as my setup has now mushroomed into two cases!!

Look forward to hearing an update on this issue!! Can't believe your downgrading, you should of stuck with that Ark case.

Cheers
Lee

Well, that's the thing Lee; I never actually was able to move that ARK case...and I am just planning to go back to that. The only thing I wanted, that case didn't accomplish for me, was being able to hot-swap the drives.

Of course when you start looking at hot-swap, you think Norco first...and at that time, even though 20 drives seemed like more than I would need, I decided to bite the bullet and "future-proof".

Well...my streaming "strategy" has changed a bit. At that time, Internet streaming wasn't quite ready for prime time...and so the idea was to rip and stream everything I ever wanted, locally; that made the idea of 20 drives, and ~40T, appealing.

Well, recently, I've had a shift in my thinking. Online streaming has gotten much better, very quickly; both in the amount of programming available and the ease and quality. At 3 of the 4 locations I stream at, I don't need any better than 720p, and I don't need lossless audio...which are 2 areas where Internet streaming still lags behind.

But if I can stream 90% of my TV series, and say 50% (or better) of the SD movies I want to watch...that just mostly leaves the high-demand, BD streaming for the HT. That'll greatly reduce the amount of space I need, and to be honest...it's not the kick it once was. In the beginning, ripping...and having the file available...was "fun". Now? I'd rather just stream from Netflix and the like; especially TV.

I just don't know that'll I'll get beyond needing 5 drives, at 2T per (especially with 3Ts starting to show their face). That's 10, to potentially 15T...and right now, that seems like enough.

I've thought about just holding onto the Norco case...just in case (and if I don't get a decent offer, I'll have no choice). What if Netflix starts charging more for its streaming (which I think will happen eventually); what if the cable ISPs start charging more for "high-bandwidth" users (which I also think will, and already is, happening)? Then I might change my tune, and wish I'd held onto the Norco. But as it stands now, I'm getting a 5-in-3 cage for the ARK, so that the 5 data drives will be hot-swappable...and if I ever had to go bigger, there's still plenty of room inside that case for non-hot drives; or I could just always start-over with a new case.

So...the Norco really should go to a good home. Someone who knows they'll be hitting 20 drives, and was going to have to buy the case new...or has been lusting after one; they might as well get a good price on mine. Hell, I got an inquiry from a guy who was looking to pick it up as his second 20-drive Norco; so there are certainly still BIG users out there.

So no Shawn, it's not so much from lack of use; just a shift in thinking. Anyone who's interested, you know how to reach me...lol

CD
post #2165 of 2184
I hear ya CD, as we've just taken a suitable on demand media / TV recorder (BT Vision)

That pretty much covers most things, plus we have the video library & Lovefilm.com as well. (Oh yeah can't forget the cinema, that's if i want to deal with the public!!)

I'm still keeping my storage at 8tb, and mirror 8tb as redundancy backup.

But like you say with drives pushing 3TB, and SSD media getting bigger / cheaper by the day & cloud storage. The options are changing over time.

I'd still like having media storage / backup at home, but i also like the option of cloud storage for when i'm travelling!!

Just my thoughts.....

Cheers
Lee
post #2166 of 2184
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Online streaming has gotten much better, very quickly; both in the amount of programming available and the ease and quality.

I agree with that for sure. 18 months ago or so when I tried Netflix streaming I laughed at the quality wondering who in the world would watch something so crappy looking/sounding. Then a month ago I try it again and it's a night and day difference. I've been using it a lot lately, primarily for TV shows.
post #2167 of 2184
I'm not sure how it works in the US, but here you pay a fee. (£2-£6 per SD film / Program & HD is higher priced more like £5-£8)

At these prices you only get it for a few days, and then you have to pay again if you want to watch it again!!

It would be more cost effective to buy 2nd hand or bargain bucket for new items?

I suppose if you pay for an online download that's better, but then how does it work with the booklets & things like that?

That's why i like the real thing over the download, i suppose in time they will work a way round this? PDF file?

I do agree that the quality / compression techniques is getting better, but it'll be nice when you can stream 1080P / 5.1 HD audio online without stutters!!

Cheers
Lee
post #2168 of 2184
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Originally Posted by Cosmic023 View Post

I'm not sure how it works in the US, but here you pay a fee. (£2-£6 per SD film / Program & HD is higher priced more like £5-£8)

At these prices you only get it for a few days, and then you have to pay again if you want to watch it again!!

Those are the prices for Netflix? If so, yeah it's very different than in the US. In the US, it's unlimited streaming of any movie that is available for watch now. But, only certain movies and tv shows are available for streaming.

My guess is down the road when it catches on enough and starts killing Netflix's servers, they'll start charging more, or maybe even charging per viewing.

I still prefer the norco/pch/yamj combo as the AQ/PQ and functionality of it is still far superior to Netflix, but it's nice to have options
post #2169 of 2184
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Originally Posted by shawnwalters View Post

Those are the prices for Netflix? If so, yeah it's very different than in the US. In the US, it's unlimited streaming of any movie that is available for watch now. But, only certain movies and tv shows are available for streaming.

My guess is down the road when it catches on enough and starts killing Netflix's servers, they'll start charging more, or maybe even charging per viewing.

I still prefer the norco/pch/yamj combo as the AQ/PQ and functionality of it is still far superior to Netflix, but it's nice to have options

Yeah Lee; in the US, as long as you have a Netflix membership to rent discs, you get the streaming for FREE. It's a great deal actually, that I think we should enjoy while we have it...because I suspect it'll be gone soon, and I mean in the very near future.

I agree Shawn; if you watch a lot of TV, like you and I do, it's hard to beat. Saves me the space and time of ripping TV-on-DVD, which is/was a big portion of my collection.

While we're on the subject; I just recently broke down and bought a Roku. I always resisted, because I hate getting boxes that do "one thing". But after really taking to Netflix streaming, and trying PlayOn for this and that device, I decided to try one. I got an HD (not one of the newer "X" models), and I have to tell ya...for $60(!)...it's a no-brainer. It's super-small, so it's not like the additional box creates any kind of space issue; and even though it only does "one thing", it's nice...for a change...to have a device that's simple in that regard, and does the one thing it's supposed to do right. Plus, it's "one thing" is changing; rumor is it'll have Hulu Plus soon, and who knows from there.

Man; looks like everyone's doing the same thing I am. how am I going to sell my Norco this way.

CD
post #2170 of 2184
FYI on Netflix. It is only in the US for streaming and discs, and it just started in Canada for streaming. Although Canada has many fewer streaming choices.

There may be something else like Netflix in other countries, but not Netflix itself.
post #2171 of 2184
Thanks for the heads up on the Roku box, CD. Since the popbox doesn't seem to want to support Netflix, I may look toward Roku...
post #2172 of 2184
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Yeah Lee; in the US, as long as you have a Netflix membership to rent discs, you get the streaming for FREE. It's a great deal actually, that I think we should enjoy while we have it...because I suspect it'll be gone soon, and I mean in the very near future.

I agree Shawn; if you watch a lot of TV, like you and I do, it's hard to beat. Saves me the space and time of ripping TV-on-DVD, which is/was a big portion of my collection.

While we're on the subject; I just recently broke down and bought a Roku. I always resisted, because I hate getting boxes that do "one thing". But after really taking to Netflix streaming, and trying PlayOn for this and that device, I decided to try one. I got an HD (not one of the newer "X" models), and I have to tell ya...for $60(!)...it's a no-brainer. It's super-small, so it's not like the additional box creates any kind of space issue; and even though it only does "one thing", it's nice...for a change...to have a device that's simple in that regard, and does the one thing it's supposed to do right. Plus, it's "one thing" is changing; rumor is it'll have Hulu Plus soon, and who knows from there.

Man; looks like everyone's doing the same thing I am. how am I going to sell my Norco this way.

CD

Roku is definitely a solid option. I have actually been looking at them pretty hard of late for my 3rd tv location. I think the now$79 can even do the BD rips and the $99 adds the wireless that is worthless. Either way, for that price it is a no brainer. I think it smokes apple TV, but I am yet to try both, but an I-buddy of mine said to stay away from ATV, so that tells you something.

And also, PCH a-200 now supports bitstreaming, so that brings it to the front and makes me want to buy one. I just want to see if the faster UI would do anything as that is the one thing I hate about the a-110. While the internal CF speeds things up, I still hate the wait and go and wonder if that is solved in the a-200. Or is that just a waste of resources as the a-110 is more than capable. However, while I would stick with TS files, the ability to read a BDMV directory would do wonders for the demo disc...
post #2173 of 2184
I use a Roku too, had it for a couple years, it's come a long way!
post #2174 of 2184
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So...haven't had much time to troubleshoot it (in-laws have been in town), but my trusty (read: old) Parasound 1205 is starting to give me trouble. I noticed maybe a month ago that when I had all 5 channels hooked-up, one of the channels would constantly trip the fault. I disconnected one side of the Rears (as opposed to Sides) for the few movies we've had up there since, but the last time I was up there I noticed another channel is starting to intermittently fault (a loud hum for about 5 minutes, then it would stop...then come back later, etc).

Now, maybe it's just a cabling thing, or ground loop or something (although I don't think so, because I really have had this amp for a while now)...but if it turns out it's on its last legs, I'm trying to decide if it's even worth shipping back to Parasound for repair, or maybe just moving on. Tough time right now, financially, for either an expensive repair...just to hold onto this old amp, which is no great shakes to begin with...or to have to replace it.

I see Emotiva is selling its UPA-5 for $399 plus free shipping right now. That's just an insane price for a new, 125x5 amp. I know it has a lot of fans on the forum; is it really good bang-for-the-buck or just cheap sh*t, where you get exactly what you pay for?

BTW...if anyone has any ideas of what I should be looking for, with regards to what's tripping my 1205, I'm all ears. In-wall cables, with AQ bananas; I'm hoping I can track down a short or something, but on 2 channels now?

CD
post #2175 of 2184
I bought an XPA-5 and a UPA-2 during their 4th of July sale. The UPA-2 is still in the box, but I've been running the XPA-5 in the living room since then and I'm completely satisfied with it. Runs cool and quiet, and weighs a freaking TON. Build quality is very nice, also on the UPA-2 even though it's the "economy" model.

Can't comment on the UPA-5, but at that price, it's almost a no brainer for what you get, and free shipping only sweetens the deal.

Just stay away from their processor...
post #2176 of 2184
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Here's a fairly silly question: anyone taken down their Carada screen? How do you do it? It hangs on a top bracket, and then snaps onto the bottom one...so I assume it just come off in reverse; you (gently) pull back from the bottom bracket?

But I figured I'd double-check before I did something stoopid. Finally going to get that Black GOM up on the screen-wall. Pics a comin'

Still haven't pulled the trigger on that Emotiva; anyone else want to weigh in on whether its junk or not?

CD
post #2177 of 2184
CD, I just lift mine off...however, that is because Rex from Carada told me the bottom bracket wasn't really needed, so I never installed it...
post #2178 of 2184
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

But I figured I'd double-check before I did something stoopid. Finally going to get that Black GOM up on the screen-wall. Pics a comin'

Still haven't pulled the trigger on that Emotiva; anyone else want to weigh in on whether its junk or not?

CD

Glad you're tackling the GOM...FINALLY

Emotiva - never heard one in person, only repeating what someone told me when I was shopping for my amps. They said they are decent 'power' amps, but the sound is not the same as a typical amp. Have no idea if true or not, nor if it's something the average HT guy would pick up on. Just thought I would repeat it. If they have a return policy, I'd try it and if you don't like it, send her back!
post #2179 of 2184
CDLehner

Regarding Emotiva, I've had their UPA-7 amp for a while now and am I big fan. As was previously mentioned, they run cool, the build quality is excellent and MAN do they throw out the power. I've been running with some of their speakers as well, and I think many would agree that both their amps are their speakers are an excellent value.

Give them a run - they'll let you return it within 30 days no questions asked and their customer service seems to be top notch.
post #2180 of 2184
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Hello from the abyss, HT-room. Not much to report on the Theater front these days; my room may be light-controlled, but less so temperature-controlled (ductless)...lol; so the dog-days of Winter are not prime movie-watching time up there.

I've been focusing more on my 2-channel system these days, and as such...inadvertently came across this (even though I am very happy with my Dynaudios ) http://www.aerialacoustics.com/produ...m1/images.aspx

If you don't need AT, and have pretty deep pockets, it's an interesting concept. Matching timbre, and a GOM-wall all in one! I had never seen it before; anyone ever actually heard and/or used this system? Aerial has a good reputation, so I don't think it's just a gimmick.

CD
post #2181 of 2184
Hiya CD,

It's been a while, i know how you feel about a temperature controlled cinema room.

As you know, my attic cinema room has the same problem freezing in winter & roasting in the summer!!

I've been busy working on projects for work, and other music related projects. (So have had little time for cinema room, but have enjoyed the odd movie here & there.)

So no news then? Hope the server project is going ok?

Cheers
Lee
post #2182 of 2184
Did you expect you ductless system would not provide adequate heat in the winter? Which system did you use? Would you go ductless again?
post #2183 of 2184
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Hello from the abyss, HT-room. Not much to report on the Theater front these days; my room may be light-controlled, but less so temperature-controlled (ductless)...lol; so the dog-days of Winter are not prime movie-watching time up there.

Long time, no type HT-build forum. As evidenced by the above post...my last one, almost a year ago to the day...the Theater was not long for this world.

I had such trouble keeping it warm in the Winter, cool in the Summer...that the window for comfortable viewing was just too narrow to sustain the space. A while back, I made the decision to "disband"...and sold-off my LCRs (although I still have my old VPL-AW15 and 96" Carada), and the space started to take on storage.

But I'm trying to move forward, and make better use of the space; maybe, in its revised, 2.0 version...turn it more multi-purpose? Here is the thread I've started, toward that end http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1384341

If any of my old friends...who recognize the Dog-Diner thread...have any ideas, by all means.

CD
post #2184 of 2184
CD,

Good to hear you are still around. Sorry to hear about the outcome of your up-stars HT.
Will be checking in with you on your new thread
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