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post #1 of 25
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www.ecost.com is selling these units for $1,119
post #2 of 25
Hi Dan,

I'd wait on that 30000 for awhile. I recently sent mine back to e-cost after going through all kinds of changes with their return department.

There is a bug in the JVC 30000 that causes a random 2 second picture freeze during playback. I discovered I was not alone with this problem, so I sent it back.

From all I gleaned, the Japanese version does not have this enigma, so perhaps it is a firmware issue. But for that amount of money I feel the machine should work without any glitches, especially when playing back its own recordings!

Ciao,
Peter M
post #3 of 25
Quote:
Originally posted by videonut
Hi Dan,


There is a bug in the JVC 30000 that causes a random 2 second picture freeze during playback. I discovered I was not alone with this problem, so I sent it back.

How often does this bug occur?

Arnold
post #4 of 25
Quote:
Originally posted by videonut
Hi Dan,

I'd wait on that 30000 for awhile. I recently sent mine back to e-cost after going through all kinds of changes with their return department.

There is a bug in the JVC 30000 that causes a random 2 second picture freeze during playback. I discovered I was not alone with this problem, so I sent it back.

From all I gleaned, the Japanese version does not have this enigma, so perhaps it is a firmware issue. But for that amount of money I feel the machine should work without any glitches, especially when playing back its own recordings!

Ciao,
Peter M
Peter,

Tried to sell mine on ebay unsuccessfully.

Ecost finally agreed to take my unit back but they are trying to charge me a 15% restocking fee. They said it would take several days to get an authorization from management.

The bright spot is that I spoke to my credit card company and they pointed out that ecost must disclose their restocking fee or non-return policy on the SALES INVOICE. If they don't they won't win a dispute, so I may end up disputing whatever I don't get back.


Were you able to to get them to waive this?

If so do you have a name of who to contact?

Thanks
Bernhard
post #5 of 25
For what it's worth, Sound Advice is selling a Mitsubishi unit for $999.95:

http://www.wegivesoundadvice.com/snd...ID=394&CATID=5
post #6 of 25
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Originally posted by David McRoy
For what it's worth, Sound Advice is selling a Mitsubishi unit for $999.95:

http://www.wegivesoundadvice.com/snd...ID=394&CATID=5
That mits is worthless as far as I'm concerned. It sounds like the only way it will work is with a Mits big screen.

Bernhard
post #7 of 25
Quote:
Originally posted by videonut
Hi Dan,
There is a bug in the JVC 30000 that causes a random 2 second picture freeze during playback. I discovered I was not alone with this problem, so I sent it back.

From all I gleaned, the Japanese version does not have this enigma, so perhaps it is a firmware issue. But for that amount of money I feel the machine should work without any glitches, especially when playing back its own recordings!
Hey Peter,

So, you saw this problem on tapes that were recorded on the unit itself? I heard that it only occured with tapes recorded on other decks, and not on the demo tape or tapes that the JVC had recorded...

Please post more details. I would love to get a unit and start recording...

Cheers!
DAve.
post #8 of 25
Okay, guys, I'll try and answer all your questions:

The "freezing" problem occurred two to three times on each program I taped. i.e. While time shifting The Tonight Show, I came to expect at least one freezing glitch per show. And I did try using different brands of D-VHS tape.

E-Cost sent FDX to pick up my machine several days ago, and as far as I know, they will not be charging me a restocking fee. A very nice person named Mel has been handling my order; he is a great asset to E-Cost.

In the meantime, I purchased a Panasonic DMR-E20 and have been recording my brains out. It's a remarkable machine that makes pristine copies. I'm using it to archive all of my laser discs, VHS and Beta tapes. ;)

And for time shifting it is invaluable; it has "time slip" capability and a vast array of other great features. I can even edit out commercials (to the frame) without having to make a copy!

And best of all, I found DVD-R blanks for three dollars! :)

Happy Holidays,
Peter M
post #9 of 25
Could you please post a link for the $3 DVD-R blanks.

Thanks
Bernhard
post #10 of 25
Worst kept secret on the net : www.cdrecordable.com

Bob H.
post #11 of 25
Question about the Panasonic DMR-E20 ... does it have a timer so that you can use it to replace a TiVo or a VCR, or is it simply a deck that you manually have to hit record?
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post #13 of 25
Hi Peter!
Thius is Mauro in California! I continue recording and playing back in both S-VHS and D-VHS without the 2-second freese on playback that you and others have noticed. I hope it does not show up after the 90-day JVC labor warranty!!! Anyway, it was interesting to hear that you got a DVD-R recorder. I am still confused by the many flavors of DVD for recording. Can you playback your DVD-R's in a regular DVD player? I know that some recordable DVD's can be played back on a regular DVD player. Can your Panasonic? Thanks and let us keep in touch. By the way, did you ever record and HD programs on the JVC 30000?
post #14 of 25
I don't think the freeze problem occurs with any tapes recorded by the JVC. It occurs with tapes recorded by the HD1000 so there must be some incompatibility.

Bernhard
post #15 of 25
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Originally posted by bb1987
I don't think the freeze problem occurs with any tapes recorded by the JVC. It occurs with tapes recorded by the HD1000 so there must be some incompatibility.

Bernhard
I guess some people think they're going to sell their HD1000's and use the 30000 to replace it. LOL. I got my HD1000 for $429 a couple years ago. Anyone wanna bid (just kiddin).
post #16 of 25
As a note, it is very interesting that the next revision of the HiPix software promises to playback DVD's. It will be extremely interesting to see if the DVD playback with WinDVD will scale up to 1080i. Of course, it's only DVD ---- but I would guess that even DVD playback scaled to 1080i will look remarkably similar to HDTV. And that would make the HiPix quite a bargain, since you could record to 100 GB hard drives, back it up on DAT4 (or ADR/2) or your choice of DVD-R, DVD+RW, etc. I won't mention copy protection issues here, but most of us know quite a bit about those issues.
post #17 of 25
I don't think the freeze problem occurs with any tapes recorded by the JVC. It occurs with tapes recorded by the HD1000 so there must be some incompatibility.

Bernhard


REPLY: I experienced the "freezing" problem with tapes recorded on my JVC 30000. I never owned a Panasonic 1000.

Anyway, I sent the JVC back; I can't see keeping a machine that has this type of a glitch, especially for that sum of money.

Ciao,
Peter M
post #18 of 25
Quote:
Originally posted by videonut
I don't think the freeze problem occurs with any tapes recorded by the JVC. It occurs with tapes recorded by the HD1000 so there must be some incompatibility.

Bernhard


REPLY: I experienced the "freezing" problem with tapes recorded on my JVC 30000. I never owned a Panasonic 1000.

Anyway, I sent the JVC back; I can't see keeping a machine that has this type of a glitch, especially for that sum of money.

Ciao,
Peter M
OK ------ You're taping "off the air" correct? You're using an indoor antenna, correct? You're not taping off Dishnet/DirecTV, or cable, correct?

It's going to be very painful for the HDTV industry to handle all the consumer returns due to lack of adequate antenna. I think the FCC !@$@!$!#@ by not getting SDTV digital going years ago.....

Maybe they should make it clearer that a good outdoor TV antenna is required.
post #19 of 25
mbradley Quotes: OK ------ You're taping "off the air" correct? You're using an indoor antenna, correct? You're not taping off Dishnet/DirecTV, or cable, correct?

Reply: My recording sources were DirectTV and laser Disc.
The JVC displayed the "Picture Freez" problem during playback of material recorded from these two sources.

And an important point to take into consideration is the fact that whenever I tried replaying a scene where the picture had frozen, the same scene played normally.

Cheers,
Peter M
post #20 of 25
Quote:
Originally posted by videonut

Reply: My recording sources were DirectTV and laser Disc.
The JVC displayed the "Picture Freez" problem during playback of material recorded from these two sources.

And an important point to take into consideration is the fact that whenever I tried replaying a scene where the picture had frozen, the same scene played normally.

Cheers,
Peter M
Interesting!

What speed were you using? People recording Hidef at HS may never see this - recording SDTV would most likely use a slower speed, right?

Cheers!
DAve.
post #21 of 25
Hi, Dave,

I was using the "Standard" recording speed. I also want to mention that I've heard the Japanese model does not exhibit this "picture freezing" problem during playback.

Regards,
Peter M



Are you out there, Mauro? How is your new 30000 holding up? Are you experiencing any similar problems?
post #22 of 25
I have 2 japanese victor 30000's and I can confirm that they do not have the picture freeze problem. They have absolutely no problem with BS tapes, but they do have some audio dropouts with ATSC tapes that do not occur when those tapes are played on a panny combo.

Bernhard
post #23 of 25
Where's the STB to go with it?

Ads in sound & vision and other places, would assume that more than pre-recorded tapes is going to drive the market. With built in tuner, if there was a way to use it with the 5000 & modulator, that would at least de-necesitate the Panny.

Tim
post #24 of 25
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Originally posted by rudolpht
Where's the STB to go with it?
Maybe both JVC and Mits are relying on 169 to start cranking out.
(I'm kidding)

Greg
post #25 of 25
Richard has the US JVC in hand to try and look at. Keep the fingers crossed.

dave
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