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post #1 of 228
2/22/08 at 12:44pm
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My unit just arrived today, Made in China Jan 07, with the 2.7 FW. The packing is nice and tidy along with the manual and 90 day return. As I was hooking up the HDMI and setting the dip switch to #2, I plugged her in and just let the PSU warm it up a bit, she was very cold to the touch before I turned her on. After finding 4 AAA battery's I held down the BKL button and the remote lit up like a Christmas tree.

After about 5 min I decided to power her on, saw the usual welcome screen of course looking at it with dismay/distrust, wondering if I got a brick. Well I saw the blue light come on underneath and said oh ok it looks like it's booting up. The HDMI signal kicked in on my trusty LX177 and I then proceeded to the menu, turned off all enhancements, set the audio for the HDMI blade to TV. Set the forced 24p and the 46" LX went blank for a few seconds and sync'd up.

I then proceeded to load Poseidon I use the beginning to check for performance because it's all CGI camera pans around the ship. A good way for me to check for jerkiness/judder etc. Well I've been running the movie for 58 min as I type this post out, so it seems no shut down bug for now, and I for one am very very happy with the PQ and performance, will start to hook up the 5.1 analogs in a wee bit.
No complaints easiest purchase I've made to date where I didn't have to do anything but plug in and start playing stuff. I even burned 2.7 last night just to be ready but I didn't need it to my surprise.



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post #2 of 228
2/22/08 at 1:14pm
You will only get the shutdown bug if you have it set for 1080p/60 (ie: not 24hz). FWIW, I think you would get a better image letting the XA2 send out 1080p/60 rather than 24p. I don't believe the LX177 is really a native 24p set* (it converts internally to 60p using 3:2 pulldown, then doubles to 120hz). Since the Reon can do a better job of doing the 3:2 pulldown, I would just leave it at 60p. That way, you will also get to see if you have the shutdown bug too!

BTW, I had to send back my Ubid XA2 because it would not properly output 24p to my Sony A3000 and it also had the shutdown bug in 1080p/60. Hopefully I'll get my replacement by the end of next week.


*By native, I mean by performing 2:2, 3:3, 4:4, or 5:5 conversion of the 24p. ie: no frame interpolation.
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post #3 of 228
2/22/08 at 1:20pm
I can get a used 6 month old xa2. Is this a good back up player to my xbox add on?
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post #4 of 228
2/22/08 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by Whatnow View Post

I can get a used 6 month old xa2. Is this a good back up player to my xbox add on?

The other way around.
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post #5 of 228
2/22/08 at 1:25pm
true but I want to use it when I retire my 360 for the nextbox. So is this a good deal or should I buy new when they drop in price. Can you suggest an another one? Price for xa2 $80.
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post #6 of 228
2/22/08 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by Whatnow View Post

true but I want to use it when I retire my 360 for the nextbox. So is this a good deal or should I buy new when they drop in price. Can you suggest an another one? Price for xa2 $80.

$80? Holy cow, do it.
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post #7 of 228
2/22/08 at 1:38pm
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true but I want to use it when I retire my 360 for the nextbox. So is this a good deal or should I buy new when they drop in price. Can you suggest an another one? Price for xa2 $80.

For $80 there should be no question about it. Hell, if you don't want it hook me up with the seller!
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post #8 of 228
2/22/08 at 1:39pm
Make sure it is not a HD A2 KU.
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post #9 of 228
2/22/08 at 1:42pm
Got mine a couple of weeks ago. The remote was in poor shape, and the fan had some vibration noise, but I have a harmony and just tweaked the fan screws until the noise went away.

The only thing I REALLY need to do is reflash FW from 2.8 to 2.7, then I'll be in good shape.
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post #10 of 228
2/22/08 at 3:06pm
2.7 is the way to go.
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post #11 of 228
2/22/08 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by webdev511 View Post

Got mine a couple of weeks ago. The remote was in poor shape, and the fan had some vibration noise, but I have a harmony and just tweaked the fan screws until the noise went away.

The only thing I REALLY need to do is reflash FW from 2.8 to 2.7, then I'll be in good shape.


I literally could not find one flaw on this unit, the remote still has the protection film on it. I'm about to hook up my 5.1 coax cables and ready to test the SD upconversion. Had to jet out GF was having car troubles. But we are back and ready for some SD UPC DVD, along with my famous Entrecote Bordelaisea and nice bottle of wine after...
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post #12 of 228
2/22/08 at 3:26pm
Mine should be delivered by the time I get home. Hope mine looks brand new. Will keep you all posted.
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post #13 of 228
2/22/08 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by billbillw View Post

You will only get the shutdown bug if you have it set for 1080p/60 (ie: not 24hz). FWIW, I think you would get a better image letting the XA2 send out 1080p/60 rather than 24p. I don't believe the LX177 is really a native 24p set* (it converts internally to 60p using 3:2 pulldown, then doubles to 120hz). Since the Reon can do a better job of doing the 3:2 pulldown, I would just leave it at 60p. That way, you will also get to see if you have the shutdown bug too!

BTW, I had to send back my Ubid XA2 because it would not properly output 24p to my Sony A3000 and it also had the shutdown bug in 1080p/60. Hopefully I'll get my replacement by the end of next week.

I also forgot to mention the SD DVD 13th Waririor @24p there is no jerkiness or judder it is working perfectly with my 46" LX177.

*By native, I mean by performing 2:2, 3:3, 4:4, or 5:5 conversion of the 24p. ie: no frame interpolation.


Sorry to burst your bubble but the LX 177 is fully 24p compliant, sorry you were miss informed. Proof is in the PC... it will sync NATIVE to 24Hz with no user input without having to use custom resolutions. ReClock will sync to the NATIVE 24p for the LX 177 and Samsung 4661/65 series/and 71/85 units.

Please post your facts, this has been discussed in a number of threads and please do not ask if it does 5:5 because it was never confirmed by Tosh. It does a fine job whether it is doing it or not....
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post #14 of 228
2/22/08 at 4:10pm
Hey Nimo, why are there 2 remotes in your photo?
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post #15 of 228
2/22/08 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by ti-triodes View Post

Hey Nimo, why are there 2 remotes in your photo?

Cause the LX177 looks so damn sexy next to the XA2 remote. Don't want to clash with the decore.

As a side note:
24Hz is listed in the manual as fully supported, pg 109 under HDMI input supports.
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post #16 of 228
2/22/08 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by Nimo View Post

Sorry to burst your bubble but the LX 177 is fully 24p compliant, sorry you were miss informed. Proof is in the PC... it will sync NATIVE to 24Hz with no user input without having to use custom resolutions. ReClock will sync to the NATIVE 24p for the LX 177 and Samsung 4661/65 series/and 71/85 units.

Please post your facts, this has been discussed in a number of threads and please do not ask if it does 5:5 because it was never confirmed by Tosh. It does a fine job whether it is doing it or not

Fully supported doesn't mean anything. Being able to display 24p using frame interpolation or 3:2 pulldown is not the same as treating it by displaying the frames multiples of the frame rate (ie: no interpolation or 3:2 pulldown)

I'm basing my statement on info in this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=997138

It says that the Toshiba has to use the "clear frame" to display 120hz and interpolates frames. See post #21.

I think you missed the point of my original post. It was to let you know that the 60p output of the Reon is outstanding, and is usually much better than sending 24p to a set that doesn't do multiples of 24hz. Also to let you know that the shutdown bug only happens with 1080p/60.

I just wanted you to give 60p a try to a) see if you have the shutdown bug (I did and had to send mine back), and b) to compare the 60p output to 24p output. I really think in your case, it would be better with 60p.
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post #17 of 228
2/22/08 at 8:31pm
Well I just received my XA2 from Ubid this evening. I turned the player upside down and side to side and unfortunately I heard something loose inside. I took the cover off and one of the plastic pins to one of the large heatsinks is broken. There doesn't even appear to be any thermal compound under the heatsink.

Should I immediately call Toshiba and get it exchanged or should I try putting another pin. Of course I would have to obtain a pin. Should I throw in the broken pin back inside the player or explain to Toshiba what I found?

Thanks.
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post #18 of 228
2/22/08 at 10:26pm
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Well I just received my XA2 from Ubid this evening. I turned the player upside down and side to side and unfortunately I heard something loose inside. I took the cover off and one of the plastic pins to one of the large heatsinks is broken. There doesn't even appear to be any thermal compound under the heatsink.

Should I immediately call Toshiba and get it exchanged or should I try putting another pin. Of course I would have to obtain a pin. Should I throw in the broken pin back inside the player or explain to Toshiba what I found?

Thanks.


Why turn it upside down? It's not a bowling ball!

I'd suggest seeing if it worked properly before trying to send it back. These babies are discontinued and you might not get another one. If it works- put in a new pin yourself to fix it. Something could be rigged up, even out of wood.
If it doesn't work, it's got to go back to Toshiba anyway.

And for goodness sakes, stop turning electronics upside down!!! Not everything is an iPod!
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post #19 of 228
2/22/08 at 11:42pm
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... I'm about to hook up my 5.1 coax cables and ready to test the SD upconversion...

Can you post all the settings for 5.1 multichannel ? I have XA2 with non-HDMI Yamaha receiver, I tried the settings on XA2 bass management but the sound is not as good as SPDIF for both DD+ and DD, mostly lacking the low frequencies.
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post #20 of 228
2/23/08 at 1:01am
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Originally Posted by billbillw View Post

Fully supported doesn't mean anything. Being able to display 24p using frame interpolation or 3:2 pulldown is not the same as treating it by displaying the frames multiples of the frame rate (ie: no interpolation or 3:2 pulldown)

I'm basing my statement on info in this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=997138

It says that the Toshiba has to use the "clear frame" to display 120hz and interpolates frames. See post #21.

I think you missed the point of my original post. It was to let you know that the 60p output of the Reon is outstanding, and is usually much better than sending 24p to a set that doesn't do multiples of 24hz. Also to let you know that the shutdown bug only happens with 1080p/60.

I just wanted you to give 60p a try to a) see if you have the shutdown bug (I did and had to send mine back), and b) to compare the 60p output to 24p output. I really think in your case, it would be better with 60p.

I appreciate the help and tips, I'm not going to get in a debate over the pull downs, because like I said what ever it's doing it does a fine job regardless. We tested the 1080/60 on SD DVD and nothing happened it just kept playing the movie Sleep Hollow. So far no shut down bug and setting it to 24p also plays and looks just fine also, no performance issues at 24p or 60p. The LX177's can multisync at 24P and 60p native and has no performance issues when hooked up to the XA2.


@ HTSS-TR sorry I havn't had a chance to go out and get cables today so I can't test it till tomorrow. I think you should set it to PCM instead of bitstream, but until I can get it up and running today, is when I can give some feed back. I'm sure a veteran owner can point you the right way to get the most out of your settings.

Regards, Nimo
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post #21 of 228
2/23/08 at 1:19am
How come I never find any XA2 on ubid?
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post #22 of 228
2/23/08 at 4:15am
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Originally Posted by Nimo View Post

I appreciate the help and tips, I'm not going to get in a debate over the pull downs, because like I said what ever it's doing it does a fine job regardless. We tested the 1080/60 on SD DVD and nothing happened it just kept playing the movie Sleep Hollow. So far no shut down bug and setting it to 24p also plays and looks just fine also, no performance issues at 24p or 60p. The LX177's can multisync at 24P and 60p native and has no performance issues when hooked up to the XA2.


@ HTSS-TR sorry I havn't had a chance to go out and get cables today so I can't test it till tomorrow. I think you should set it to PCM instead of bitstream, but until I can get it up and running today, is when I can give some feed back. I'm sure a veteran owner can point you the right way to get the most out of your settings.

Regards, Nimo

Nimo, The shutdown bug only occurs with HDDVDs when played at 1080p/60. Make sure you try that and can get through a whole HDDVD movie.
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post #23 of 228
2/23/08 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by T2k View Post

How come I never find any XA2 on ubid?

They offer them every once in awhile but they sell out fast.
I received mine from Ubid in perfect condition and no problems...knock on wood.
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post #24 of 228
2/23/08 at 8:27am
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Nimo, The shutdown bug only occurs with HDDVDs when played at 1080p/60. Make sure you try that and can get through a whole HDDVD movie.

So you can't tell whether you have the shutdown bug unless you have a 1080p tv, huh? Mine is 1080i, so in a sense I suppose I don't care now, but it'd be nice to know for the future.
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post #25 of 228
2/23/08 at 8:44am
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No what he means is if you set the player at that setting it should either play or shut down, I'm testing it now I just hooked up my 5.1 analogs up plenty of thunder over here with Transformers.
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post #26 of 228
2/23/08 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by HTSS-TR View Post

Can you post all the settings for 5.1 multichannel ? I have XA2 with non-HDMI Yamaha receiver, I tried the settings on XA2 bass management but the sound is not as good as SPDIF for both DD+ and DD, mostly lacking the low frequencies.


I just got everything hooked up, playing Transformers 1080/60, the manual is pretty useless for audio settings. So I went back to my A3 manual because it's easier to understand. For my analog outs Voice enhancement off, SPDIF is set to bitstream, HDMI set to downmix, 5.1 settings are default along with sub woofer, mute TV speakers . Have plenty of LFE's in the Iron Hide scene where he jumps over the woman shakes rattles and rumbles the very earth I stand on.

Getting to the ten min mark all is well so far at 60p.
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post #27 of 228
2/23/08 at 8:58am
I received my Ubid XA2 a few days ago. It arrived in perfect shape and looked brand new. I updated it to 2.7 and have played a few movies since. No issues so far, and it plays all the movies that my HDA1 had problems with - Superman Returns, Happy Feet, etc. without any hitches. Bitstreaming the advanced audio codecs to my Onkyo 805 is very nice. This thing is really built like a tank! Very happy with this purchase.
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post #28 of 228
2/23/08 at 11:48am
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I just got through testing with TF and it passes the shut down bug at 1080/60. After the movie and credits she went to the main menu loop with no issues. So far this thing hasn't even shown any peculiar signs of any kind what so ever, anyway I'm loading up Last Samurai and running it through. For SD I set the picture mode settings to on taking advantage of all the filters and have edge enhancement set to 1. Really cleans up the PQ and with Block NR set to help with pixelation in fast moving scenes.

Very happy with the purchase from Ubid so far no complaints.
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post #29 of 228
2/23/08 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by eitakura View Post

So you can't tell whether you have the shutdown bug unless you have a 1080p tv, huh? Mine is 1080i, so in a sense I suppose I don't care now, but it'd be nice to know for the future.

I have a 1080p plasma and use 1080p/60 with no issues. Oh, and I have an early build (December 06) and firmware 1.3 that I won't update until there is a real need.
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post #30 of 228
2/23/08 at 12:15pm
I received my Ubid XA2 refurb Tuesday, bought as a backup player for my A35; now it's the other way around, the XA2 is my new main player. Arrived in pristine condition, Jan. 2007 build date, pre-loaded with FW 2.7, where I'm keeping it at. I can't get over how good it upconverts SD, and HD DVD playback is rock solid, as is the audio bitstreaming to my Onkyo 605. Very pleased with this purchase.
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