Playing AVCHD using normal dvd-r on HD-DVD player

It's only for Blu-Ray players. What you can do is author a disc to be compatible with HD-DVD but you need an editing program for that.

Ulead Videostudio 11+ or Pinnacle Moviestudio (latest version)

work for me for making 3x hd-dvd's, but it always want to re-encode the source video wich is very annoying.... but it works.

Is there a way to do this without having to re-encode? I'm guessing that takes a long time.

I was thinking that the ability to do this might justify the purchase of a cheap HD-DVD player. It could provide an inexpensive mechanism for AVCHD playback until BluRay players come down to a more reasonable price. Any thoughts on this?

AVCHD is a proprietory codec by Sony, and as such I can't imagine Toshiba would support it in HDDVD standard. I doubt any HDDVD player would ever play AVCHD.
HDV plays in both formats, AVCHD only in BluRay.

You must not own an HD-DVD player then. Many of the recent HD-DVD disks are encoded with AVCHD so the players can decode them. It's just that for some reason many of the consumer level editing and authoring programs leave out that encoding for HD-DVD though they have it for BluRay. You have to go to pro level authoring before you get AVCHD on HD-DVD. And AVCHD is not a Sony proprietary codec.

it would be cool if consumer software would let you author hd-dvd disks but i think we can all kiss that goodbye since blu ray has won the format war. but if i remember propely Sonic Scenarist could author avchd to hddvd but could be wrong.. but who has the money for that software.

Brian, I think you may be mistaken in thinking that some of the recent HDDVD disks are encoded with AVCHD, I know that they may be encoded with Mpeg4-AVC, from which AVCHD was designed. Sony created the AVCHD standard two years ago primarily for HD cam recordings. For detailed explanation of the AVCHD codec you can go here.
Here is a quote from the passage:
"...HD DVD players were not capable of reproducing AVCHD content. While the players could be upgraded, Toshiba had never announced plans to support AVCHD playback. On the other hand, Blu-Ray players accept AVCHD video without re-encoding. Standalone Blu-Ray players may require creating proper directory structure, while Playstation 3 gaming console is able to play raw AVCHD video files, burned onto an inexpensive DVD blank disk."

AVCHD was jointly made by Panasonic and Sony. Panasonic does support it a lot more since they are releasing semi professional camcorders in that format. Its' true that it isn't natively compatible with standalone HD-DVD players and I don't think it ever will be.

Well it is still AVC or h.264. What the article says it was "introduced" but that doesn't mean it is proprietary. I will have to peruse the HD-DVD forum to see how the MPEG-4 AVC file is wrapped and how much it differs from AVCHD. But Mpeg4-AVC says it is still the h.264 codec. That would mean that the Toshiba player still has ability to decode AVC video. I gave up on encoding for HD-DVD as my software was limited to MPEG-2 but for my BluRay player I could use AVCHD.

Yes! After a long search on the net, success! AVCHD footage captured on handycams can be 'quickly' converted and burned onto dvd-r for use on a HD-DVD player without re-encoding which is time-consuming and results in quality loss.

Here's what I did

- Use xport -h Mymovie.m2ts 1 1 1
to demux each .m2ts file into separate .mpv (video) and .mpa (audio) files

- Use h264info.exe to convert the video into a hd-dvd compliant h.264 file.
Only change profile level to 4.1 (leave other fields blank) and write output to
a new file.

- Use your favorite authoring app (eg. Scenarist) to burn onto a dvd-r

Cheers.

The software you mention here easily adds up to $40000. You can buy 100 PS3 with that money, and then all of your friends and family can just a AVCHD disk from you and pop it in PS3 and play, and still have money left over.

how did you do this ?? whats software are you using ??
- Use xport -h Mymovie.m2ts 1 1 1
to demux each .m2ts file into separate .mpv (video) and .mpa (audio) files

and with this does it just create 1 file in wich you can burn to a dvd-r and it will play or must your have scenarist to create spcial folders ect... or could you just use nero ??- Use your favorite authoring app (eg. Scenarist) to burn onto a dvd-r



- marty.

Yea i just create MPEG2 files from my Canon HV20 and Adobe Premier Elements, stick them on a DVD-R and then play them directly on my Sony PS3 player. Works great!

Here's an alternate method with Ulead MovieFactory 6

- Use xport -h Mymovie.m2ts 1 1 1
- Use h264info.exe to convert the video into a hd-dvd compliant h.264 file.
- use tsMuxR to join the audio + modified video into a .ts file
- import the .ts file into Ulead MovieFactory 6, making sure that the project settings match those of the .ts file. Ulead will not re-encode.

I guess if you need to do editing then do it all in AVCHD format (using Nero) to keep re-encoding to a minimum. Once done then convert the final product to hd-dvd using the method above.

Cheers.

Why would you go through this when the Sony software that comes with their new AVCHD cams has a one touch button that burns your clips to a DVD-R in HD and does it very quickly? No conversion, no messing, easy and fast. Am I missing something?

I believe he has a Canon Camera and not a Sony

Ah, that explains it.

I don't own a Sony cam but I doubt anything made by Sony will play on my (Toshiba) HD-DVD player.

cool i understand all that just 'xport -h Mymovie.m2ts 1 1 1' is 'xport' a program ?? or do you type all that on a comman promt or what ?? what is use xport ??? the other software i understand.

I was under the impression that you could burn AVCHD files in ULead Studio 11+ to an HD DVD. There is a setting for it, but I've never tried it.

Yes but if you just feed it the raw AVCHD source VS11 will re-encode everything which takes ages and results in quality loss. By modifying the source into an HD-DVD compliant video using the steps I outlined, VS11 will not re-encode.

OK. I can tell you that burning AVCHD files via the AVCHD export to DVD-R is very fast, but that doesn't do you any good for HD DVD.

Yes xport is a command line program, and those are the parameters to use.

You can get xport here

http:++rapidshare.com+files+29839263+xport.rar.html
(replace + with /)

Does xport work with Vista? I downloaded the .rar from the link and extracted it. it flashes a window for 1/2 second and then nothing.

must you use scenarist, does it work with 'any' other authoring app ???

Now that you mention this, the Panasonic SD9 also has a one touch button to xfer files IF you have their proprietary dvd burner, the $200 VW-BN1

Haven't tried Vista, but xport is a command line program. You have to open a console window and type in the command 'xport -h Mymovie.m2ts 1 1 1'