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post #1261 of 11714 Old 01-22-2013, 11:47 AM
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Thanks jkoz,

So you set your color by blue filter? do you trust this method over the Calman software?

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Thanks jkoz,

So you set your color by blue filter? do you trust this method over the Calman software?

Personally, I think the filter works fine and have never tried to use HCFR or Calman to set color. I'm not an expert calibrator by any means though - just a novice who loves to tinker.
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I can vouch for this as well.

I had been doing my calibrations with my i1Display Pro using ColorHCFR. I set up everything correctly, even the little advanced check boxes and so on, but I'd still detect the calibration was a little more red than I thought it should be.

I went ahead and purchased CalMAN Basic and started doing calibrations with it. I did both my Asus PA246Q monitor and Sony KDL60EX645. The red push I was getting with ColorHCFR was gone.

So, I agree that there is definitely something up with ColorHCFR and the i1Display Pro's calibration.

I noted this in another thread here: https://www.avsforum.com/t/1444311/official-sony-kdl60ex645-thread/60#post_22852255

Really? eek.gif
Sadly JohAd is disappeard so there´s no hope that it will be fixed.

Is CalMAN Basic enough, so it does same thing than HCFR or do I need control version?
Does it work with retail version of i1 Display Pro or do I need to give serial of meter or something to get it working?
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Really? eek.gif
Sadly JohAd is disappeard so there´s no hope that it will be fixed.

Is CalMAN Basic enough, so it does same thing than HCFR or do I need control version?
Does it work with retail version of i1 Display Pro or do I need to give serial of meter or something to get it working?

I use CalMAN Basic with the retail i1 Display Pro, works just fine. No need to give serial or anything.

It does pretty much the same thing as HCFR, even has a built-in pattern generator too.

If you're looking for more "numerical" values during your calibration, try the Quick Analysis workflow (helps tons because you can see your gamma curve here too, then you can use the HT Basic calibration for your grayscale) once you get it.

Make sure you set the correct display type when using CalMAN and you'll be off!

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Personally, I don't think profiling the i1D3 against another meter should be necessary. It's a very accurate meter by itself, as proven by the links posted above.

The reason that calibrations appear too red without profiling the i1D3 (or without adding an adjustment matrix) is because HCFR and/or the Argyll drivers are doing something incorrectly. I say this with confidence, as I've compared a simple greyscale calibration side-by-side with HCFR and Calman using 2 different color temp presets in the service menu of my Panasonic (picture mode and everything else was equal) and the Calman calibration was visibly better. Skin tones were less red and looked more realistic with the Calman calibration as I flipped back and forth. Not night and day better, but definitely noticeable by eye.

It's not profiling that we need - it's different software.

My $.02

I have a D3 PRO with Chroma Pure and I can say that applying the adjustment matrix that was done for me here gives perfect, if not even better at the low end of the grayscale w/ HCFR. W/O the matrix, I thought it was lacking red but I'd have to check. OTOH, Calman does not come as close and I still haven't been able to profile my CP settings with CM. Gives worse results than just picking Plasma alone.

I was pleantly surprised when I did a back to back CP and HCFR run today and HCFR was perfect.

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You don´t need to do that because you have matrix correction (correction for plasma display type is included in that matrix...thx zoyd wink.gif ).
Just choose "Display Type : i1D3 Refresh display"
Leave "Spectral sample" empty/none
Load your matrix "Advanced-->XYZ coordinates adjustment matrix-->manually edit XYZ conversion matrix-->Load" and ready to go.
(Sync i1D3 with your TV at IRE30 window by pressing calibrate from sensor configure.)

However if you have not ever used command prompt it´s like this:
cd..
cd..
cd program files (x86)
cd hcfr calibration
cd tools
i1d3ccss

Oh, thanks redface.gif
There is two different matrixes for i1D3 created with Panasonic plasma against i1Pro meter.
Gonna try those.


Here are all those six matrix correction .mhc files for i1 Display Pro(3) with plasma TV which I found:
Matrix for i1DPro(3) or CM Display with plasma.zip 2k .zip file

Made calibration with "Panasonic plasma 1 matrix for i1D3 against i1Pro from Argyll database.mhc" matrix and finally I´m happy to results smile.gif
Panasonic TX-P55ST50Y calibration.zip 28k .zip file

Some more calibrations when I´ll get new panel under warranty because of burn-in.
Interesting to see how new panel affects to settings.
However that goes till February because Panasonic couldn´t deliver that quicker to Finland and I´ll do some running in before calibration.

Is there a way to open these mhc files to add the correction tables to CalMAN?
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Is there a way to open these mhc files to add the correction tables to CalMAN?

Me too! I have tried the new Calman Matrix tool but my results are way off so far. I'm still trying to get my D3 offsets into Calman.

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Thanks jkoz,

So you set your color by blue filter? do you trust this method over the Calman software?

Calman uses the blue filter

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Calman uses the blue filter

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This is only true if the display does not have CMS capability.
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Is there a way to open these mhc files to add the correction tables to CalMAN?

the matrix correction used in HCFR is different than that used in either CalMAN or CP, HCFR corrects for Y luminance offset between the reference and target meters. So if you use the matrix values generated by HCFR in the other two programs (or vice versa) then will not yield the same measurements.
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the matrix correction used in HCFR is different than that used in either CalMAN or CP, HCFR corrects for Y luminance offset between the reference and target meters. So if you use the matrix values generated by HCFR in the other two programs (or vice versa) then will not yield the same measurements.

Wish I knew that 2 hours ago! Entered them in Calman plasma and crt mode and no go, way off! Oh well


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zoyd,

What is your experience about HCFR 3.x.x, does it measure something wrong, especially red?

Those who paid for matrix delivered with meter, I suppose it´s not created with HCFR smile.gif

(Like I wrote, I copied that matrix from Argyll database and with that it seems to be very nice, no redish white balance. So I think not gonna pay 150$ for CalMan. Things may be different if I had paid for matrix and white balance looks redish because of [email protected] measure faults)

btw, Got my 55ST50 set back with new panel week ago (changed under warranty because of burn-in), I´ll drive 200h break-in slides and recalibrating. If someone is interested to see how different panel affects to settings I can post new measurements day after tomorrow.
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What is your experience about HCFR 3.x.x, does it measure something wrong, especially red?

Those who paid for matrix delivered with meter, I suppose it´s not created with HCFR smile.gif

(Like I wrote, I copied that matrix from Argyll database and with that it seems to be very nice, no redish white balance. So I think not gonna pay 150$ for CalMan. Things may be different if I had paid for matrix and white balance looks redish because of [email protected] measure faults)

btw, Got my 55ST50 set back with new panel week ago (changed under warranty because of burn-in), I´ll drive 200h break-in slides and recalibrating. If someone is interested to see how different panel affects to settings I can post new measurements day after tomorrow.

where is your matrix you choose to calibrate your ST50 ?
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where is your matrix you choose to calibrate your ST50 ?

I wrote that earlier and it´s quoted few posts back, it´s named "Panasonic plasma 1 matrix for i1D3 against i1Pro from Argyll database.mhc".
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I wrote that earlier and it´s quoted few posts back, it´s named "Panasonic plasma 1 matrix for i1D3 against i1Pro from Argyll database.mhc".

thanks i remember the post wink.gif
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Where is the excel spreadsheet in this thread?

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Where is the excel spreadsheet in this thread?

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this one ? https://www.avsforum.com/attachments/66073
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So, was anyone else besides John working on this project? Does anyone know what happened to John? He was doing awesome things with HCFR, and he also has a really cool program called Upsilon Mixer that he was working on, but the last post I can find from him here or on the Upsilon forum is from september. He obviously hasn't been to the Upsilon website, because the forum has been overrun with spammers for months. I hope that he is ok.
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this one ? https://www.avsforum.com/attachments/66073

Or this one ?
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Really? eek.gif
Sadly JohAd is disappeard so there´s no hope that it will be fixed.

I made a change in the D3 meter code that has stabilized it quite a bit. Simply setting the baseline integration time to a larger value (1.5 sec which is the default for CM for low light conditions) did the trick. I don't know anything about git and merging in new code etc. so here is a standalone package with the change.



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Made a proper installation package:

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I made a change in the D3 meter code that has stabilized it quite a bit. Simply setting the baseline integration time to a larger value (1.5 sec which is the default for CM for low light conditions) did the trick. I don't know anything about git and merging in new code etc. so here is a standalone package with the change. I'm new with Visual studio 2010 so let me know if it works, just unzip in an empty directory.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2621383/HCFR_stableD3.zip


Forgive me, but what do we do with this?


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unzip and run ColorHCFR.exe, D3 measurements at 30% on plasma's will be stable. If someone knows how to work with git and wants to submit a change to the archive let me know and I'll send the code changes I made. I think John has to do the final commits though.
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I made a change in the D3 meter code that has stabilized it quite a bit. Simply setting the baseline integration time to a larger value (1.5 sec which is the default for CM for low light conditions) did the trick.

edit:

Made a proper installation package:

HCFRsetup.exe

Yes, it seems to be very stable now smile.gif
Thanks man, you´re great cool.gif

Measured ten sequential gray scale (RGB scale 80-120 on images)
Y values 0%=0.013 10%=0.906 20%=3.442 30%=7.884 40%=14.166 50%=22.397 60%=32.775 70%=47.007 80%=65.590 90%=83.218 100%=106.863












Here are new calibrations with new panel:
Panasonic TX-P55ST50Y calibration.zip 52k .zip file
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unzip and run ColorHCFR.exe, D3 measurements at 30% on plasma's will be stable. If someone knows how to work with git and wants to submit a change to the archive let me know and I'll send the code changes I made. I think John has to do the final commits though.


Oh, sorry. Didn't see that it was a complete new install. What D3 problems did it fix? My D3 using the matrix seems fine, even better 20% readings than CM or CP. I guess I can still run both and compare?


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Oh, sorry. Didn't see that it was a complete new install. What D3 problems did it fix? My D3 using the matrix seems fine, even better 20% readings than CM or CP. I guess I can still run both and compare?


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The D3 w/HCFR was 2-4 dE unstable (mostly red) due to too low adaptive integration time in the 20-40% stimulus range and that's what was fixed. I have also got it working with the i1pro, at least it does on winxp. Can someone test on win7? The change here is in the driver for the i1pro so after installing the following package you have to update the i1pro driver. Use update driver in device manager and navigate to the new installation file c:\Program Files\HCFR Calibration\libusb1\i1pro.inf


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Does the colormunki display require this patch since it runs on the i1d3exe? or is fine since it reads slower?

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Does the colormunki display require this patch since it runs on the i1d3exe? or is fine since it reads slower?

Only needed if you are having the same instability problem.
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The D3 w/HCFR was 2-4 dE unstable (mostly red) due to too low adaptive integration time in the 20-40% stimulus range and that's what was fixed. I have also got it working with the i1pro, at least it does on winxp. Can someone test on win7? The change here is in the driver for the i1pro so after installing the following package you have to update the i1pro driver. Use update driver in device manager and navigate to the new installation file c:\Program Files\HCFR Calibration\libusb1\i1pro.inf


HCFRsetup.exe

Thanks zoyd, but no luck here on Win7 64 bit, the i1pro is not available for selection.
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Thanks zoyd, but no luck here on Win7 64 bit, the i1pro is not available for selection.

I'll have to get hold of a win7 machine to debug. After you updated the driver can you check driver properties and list the dlls installed like below?


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I'll have to get hold of a win7 machine to debug. After you updated the driver can you check driver properties and list the dlls installed like below?



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