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Preserving my Laserdisc Collection

I have about three hundred Laserdiscs that I want to preserve. Some don't play anymore and I want to save the ones that still work. My first player failed over ten years ago and I replaced it with a used one at the time. This replacement also has issues so I may not have much time left.


I purchased an ION Video2PCHD USB video capture device. It seems to be doing the job. I use its S video option. It comes with a crippled version of PowerDVD 9 which works fine for capturing the audio and video.


It creates mpg files with MPEG-2 (?) contained. My Western Digital media player wouldn't play the files and my Oppo 93 was inconsistent. So I brought the files into Sony Vegas Pro 10, edited them, joined them and then rendered them to 1080p(i) files ready to burn to Blu-ray with good success. However the file sizes are adding up because I am saving the original mpg captures and the larger 1080 files and I back them up which doubles the storage needs. One hour of Laserdisc capture is about 4 gb.


Now I have purchased a Sony S1700 Blu-ray player to use as a media player. This nifty player is very small and so far is playing the mpg files. I can put the files captured from one of the Laserdiscs into a folder and then play the folder and the player does them in the proper sequence if named right. This system might work without having to render and deal with extra files and storage. I keep the original captures and can do something else with them later if I choose.


I am still early in this procedure. I still want to know if this player will work with an SSD formatted exFAT with files larger than 4 gb. It is working with a 4 TB NTFS external hard drive. I still may run into some glitches with this procedure but I am hopeful. I have a 500 gb SSD on order and will report back if it works as planned.
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Comb Filter. I have been doing a little research. I don't know what this does but the recommendation is to use the S video output if the comb filter in your TV is better than the comb filter in the Laserdisc player which is generally the case, otherwise use composite. The Pioneer CLD V2600 apparently does not have a good comb filter which means I should be using the composite connection. However I am not going to a TV except through an intermediary step through a video capture file. My question is should I be using S video or composite? Will the comb filter in a TV still be affective if the file is read by a media player and then a TV?

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Most of my collection is widescreen editions. The Sony S1700 is displaying the original .mpg differently. Most of them are displayed filling my screen vertically with bars left and right. Doctor Zhivago is different. The description on the cover is letterbox vs widescreen which is what most of them are. The original aspect ratio is 2.35:1 which I assume this is. The aspect ratios are not indicated on the covers. Doctor Zhivago displays with bars top and bottom and left and right resulting in a small image in the center of my 1080p monitor. The top and bottom bars seem to be part of the image as if there is a mask over the image resulting in the player not being able to fill the screen vertically or horizontally as with the widescreen ones.


Doctor Zhivago is a bit too small for my liking so I imported the three original .mpg captures into Vegas Pro 10 (my video editing software) and placed a zoom box around the image cutting off all of the bars. Then I rendered to an iso 1920x1080 file and then using Makemkv created an mkv file. I could have rendered an mp4 file 30p or 60p 1920x1080 but the rendering process is faster on my machine going through iso for some reason. I render over night and with iso it is done in the morning but with mp4 it is still going when I wake up.


Now the file fills the screen left and right with only bars top and bottom which is more to my liking. Now instead of the three mpg files which are about 4 gb per hour of recording I also have a 28 gb mkv file or about 40 gb total for one movie before back-up.


Also I now have a Samsung 500 gb SSD. I can report that the Sony S1700 has no problem with the SSD exFAT formatted drive nor the 3 gb NTFS formatted external hard disc drive with files greater than 4 gb. And it also reads the mpg files that neither my Oppo 93 nor my Western Digital media player will read.

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I understand why you are doing this.

But, ... not for Dr Zhivago. It's a scope of 2.35 movie and on LD it's 480i in a world that's gone 4K. What's worth preserving here? ... commentary? ..

That move can be had on 1080p disc ? ... I think so.. I think I have it.

(I like your notion to preserve your LD collection. I did the same with both of my LDs. If either of them migrated to a better format though I would surely rebuy them.)

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I understand why you are doing this.

But, ... not for Dr Zhivago. It's a scope of 2.35 movie and on LD it's 480i in a world that's gone 4K. What's worth preserving here? ... commentary? ..

That move can be had on 1080p disc ? ... I think so.. I think I have it.

(I like your notion to preserve your LD collection. I did the same with both of my LDs. If either of them migrated to a better format though I would surely rebuy them.)

I agree but many of them aren't worthy of an upgrade. My current procedure is to digitize if I currently don't have a Blu-ray and to not if I already have the upgrade. If I had to guess perhaps ten or twenty percent of my collection is worthy of my time but which ones? It's been twenty years since I may have watched a disc and I may not know if I like it or not. Some are out of print and not coming back like the Playboy and Penthouse stuff. I just captured Lethal Weapon 3 which I don't think I like and will probably never watch. I just saw a box set of four Blu-rays in the Lethal Weapon series for about 12 bucks, ouch! I probably paid $35 for the one way back when.


Doctor Zhivago is probably worth an upgrade. I think I saw the 1080 Blu-ray for $12. I may watch the Laserdisc capture to see if I want the upgrade or not. Under $10 and I might go for it. I am still feeling the sting from my Laserdisc experience.


Hopefully I will now be able to throw away the collection saving about five feet of space and a few hundred pounds and replace it with a pair of hard drives.

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I have done a little research on resolutions trying to get a better understanding of what is going on. The resolution of a Laserdisc is horizontal 425 lines and no vertical. This is because it is not really a resolution as it is an analogue signal from the Laserdisc. The ION Video2PC high definition capture device I am using doesn't seem to really be high definition. All the captured files are 720 x 480 which is DVD resolution.


The terminology on the discs isn't always consistent. If letterbox is used then it seems to mean a 2.35:1 aspect ratio. If widescreen is used it seems to mean wider than 4:3 but in some cases it is letterbox. They do not call out the actual aspect ratio.


For the letterbox images they are using a mask/bars over a 720 x 480 file resulting in the image when played back in my media player not being able to fill the screen horizontally (or vertically) without me editing in another software (Vegas Pro 10).

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