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What a ridiculous thing to say. Yeah my HT does sound better. I think we're done here.
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I know they are hunting for subs. They called me everyday for months trying to get me to sign up when the freebie sub ran out in my car. I never even used the free sub, why pay?

I was a loyal XM customer back in their golden era, signed up in the end of 2003. I remember the transition to commercial free, and the sound quality. I had it in the car, fed to a Pioneer deck, couple 10" subs, and JBL 6x9's. Better than most car stereos were.

Anyway back then the audio was touted as CD quality, and it was close, there were better dynamic on the CD, but their content sounded great. It sounded great until they started cramming garbage onto their whopping 12.5mhz of bandwidth. I didn't want MLB, traffic, weather, or any other bloated crap. If anyone remembers the selling point was that they were not your local station, they were about the music. I remember no DJ's, just a ton of diverse content. That lasted for a few years and it was all downhill from there. The audio quality nowadays is nothing compared to their heyday.

Now the quality has decreased, and many stations are top 40 crap, DJ noise, and a useless bunch of channels I don't want.

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I didn't want MLB, traffic, weather, or any other bloated crap.


Personal preference is ALWAYS a losing argument. Always. Marketing surveys always show people want more channels over anything else. Marketing execs know that. Same with TV.


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I was a loyal XM customer back in their golden era, signed up in the end of 2003. I remember the transition to commercial free, and the sound quality. I had it in the car, fed to a Pioneer deck, couple 10" subs, and JBL 6x9's. Better than most car stereos were.

Anyway back then the audio was touted as CD quality, and it was close, there were better dynamic on the CD, but their content sounded great. It sounded great until they started cramming garbage onto their whopping 12.5mhz of bandwidth. I didn't want MLB, traffic, weather, or any other bloated crap. If anyone remembers the selling point was that they were not your local station, they were about the music. I remember no DJ's, just a ton of diverse content. That lasted for a few years and it was all downhill from there. The audio quality nowadays is nothing compared to their heyday.

Now the quality has decreased, and many stations are top 40 crap, DJ noise, and a useless bunch of channels I don't want.

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Yeah I definitely agree, timjohnson1717. I might still be listening but the audio quality was way worse on my Sirius receiver (2012) than it was on my much older XM receivers -- even BBC World Service was barely tolerable with all the compression artifacts. IIRC the discussion at the time was that Sirius was allocating less bandwidth per channel in order to cram more channels into their signal. Haven't followed their tech since I left. Much better mobile listening alternatives nowadays.
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I know they are hunting for subs. They called me everyday for months trying to get me to sign up when the freebie sub ran out in my car. I never even used the free sub, why pay?

I was a loyal XM customer back in their golden era, signed up in the end of 2003. I remember the transition to commercial free, and the sound quality. I had it in the car, fed to a Pioneer deck, couple 10" subs, and JBL 6x9's. Better than most car stereos were.

Anyway back then the audio was touted as CD quality, and it was close, there were better dynamic on the CD, but their content sounded great. It sounded great until they started cramming garbage onto their whopping 12.5mhz of bandwidth. I didn't want MLB, traffic, weather, or any other bloated crap. If anyone remembers the selling point was that they were not your local station, they were about the music. I remember no DJ's, just a ton of diverse content. That lasted for a few years and it was all downhill from there. The audio quality nowadays is nothing compared to their heyday.

Now the quality has decreased, and many stations are top 40 crap, DJ noise, and a useless bunch of channels I don't want.

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I remember those days.

I remember when they (I think it was Sirius, at the time - I've had both since 2006 or so) started in with the DJs and I looked at the stereo in the car and thought, "What the F- is this?"

Then there was that period, around 2008 or 2009 where they started advertising on their ad-free music channels... but it wasn't advertising because it was for Sirius/XM (to get you to buy another tuner or something - it was advertising).

I have a few lifetime subs that I still listen to in my car but, you're right, the sound quality isn't what it was back in the day. It feels more like having a transistor radio lying around that still works and you use it in the garage.

They went from something I used to highly tout to something I rarely talk about. I certainly don't recommend it to friends. No one I knows talks about them.

If you deal with customer service it's always some kind of game.

They should have never been allowed to join (Sirius & XM) and they've ruined something that really started out as pretty great. Even with them joining they're just making that worse:
- They're letting Sirius satellite (polar orbit - great for vehicles) die out
- We're nearly 10 years out from the merger and the extra bandwidth is still duplicated signals.

The way that they treat the satellite side makes me think that they see the writing on the wall and in 10 years no one will use satellite and everyone will just stream everything (and then they're going to be the AM/FM like stations they were meant to replace in the public's eye - kind of already there, now).
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Personal preference is ALWAYS a losing argument. Always. Marketing surveys always show people want more channels over anything else. Marketing execs know that. Same with TV.
Are you familiar with the paradox of choice? Recent studies have shown that a product with many options will attract more customers, however a product with fewer options will actually make customer commit and purchase. In addition those who purchase when given many choices are usually less satisfied with their purchase.

More ≠ Better

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Nothing but opinion you can't back up.
XM satellite radio is allocated 12.5 MHz from 2332.5-2345 MHz. That is all they have ever had to work with. Simple math dictates that the more channels I offer in that same frequency range, the less available bandwidth I have to drive those channels. My ears noticed a difference, that is subjective, I understand. However the bandwidth limits are fact. Could they have changed the codec for broadcasting, sure. However the old radios from ten years ago still work, so if they change codecs for broadcast I do not believe that would be possible, hence I doubt the compression algorithms have changed much if at all. Working under that premise, adding stations must cause reduction in quality if utilizing all bandwidth available.

In addition do a search for satellite radio quality, I found lots more negative than positive.
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Are you familiar with the paradox of choice? Recent studies have shown that a product with many options will attract more customers, however a product with fewer options will actually make customer commit and purchase. In addition those who purchase when given many choices are usually less satisfied with their purchase.

More ≠ Better



XM satellite radio is allocated 12.5 MHz from 2332.5-2345 MHz. That is all they have ever had to work with. Simple math dictates that the more channels I offer in that same frequency range, the less available bandwidth I have to drive those channels. My ears noticed a difference, that is subjective, I understand. However the bandwidth limits are fact. Could they have changed the codec for broadcasting, sure. However the old radios from ten years ago still work, so if they change codecs for broadcast I do not believe that would be possible, hence I doubt the compression algorithms have changed much if at all. Working under that premise, adding stations must cause reduction in quality if utilizing all bandwidth available.

In addition do a search for satellite radio quality, I found lots more negative than positive.
learn about about VBR and compression algorithms that improve constantly. Skipped th rest - you don't get to waste my time.
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I don't buy the argument about bandwidth because Sirius streamed also has the same terrible sounding compression

I really like the addition of the Beatles channel: in the car it sounds good: in my HT Sirius sounds really bad: it has that metallic sound quality that I can instantly recognize: compare it to a service like Tidal...no comparison

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I listen to Radio Margaritaville in my various vehicles via either XM or Sirius.

I also listen to it via Jimmy's website at home over my computer audio set up to my two channel system.

XM and Sirius suck just when compared to my external speakers and set up on my Imac
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Are you familiar with the paradox of choice? Recent studies have shown that a product with many options will attract more customers, however a product with fewer options will actually make customer commit and purchase. In addition those who purchase when given many choices are usually less satisfied with their purchase.

More ≠ Better



XM satellite radio is allocated 12.5 MHz from 2332.5-2345 MHz. That is all they have ever had to work with. Simple math dictates that the more channels I offer in that same frequency range, the less available bandwidth I have to drive those channels. My ears noticed a difference, that is subjective, I understand. However the bandwidth limits are fact. Could they have changed the codec for broadcasting, sure. However the old radios from ten years ago still work, so if they change codecs for broadcast I do not believe that would be possible, hence I doubt the compression algorithms have changed much if at all. Working under that premise, adding stations must cause reduction in quality if utilizing all bandwidth available.

In addition do a search for satellite radio quality, I found lots more negative than positive.
something has changed for sure. We all know that there are more sat(s) in orbit than ever before. Drones as well. Maybe this has an adverse effect?
I noticed that the current programming has way more drop-outs than previously? My first subscription occurred in 2005, I bought the "lifetime " membership. No problem.

Then, as XM radio/Sirius merged due to both camps capitalizing on the Howard Stern crap, I paid a second "lifetime " membership in 2008. Problem -as customer service could not see any pre-merger data?

From 2008 to the present, SXM , as it now referred still cannot see my old accounts? I do enjoy this sat radio thing for sure. I will not pay any more money as above. I simply catch the programming upon buying a newer vehicle (every 2-3 years).
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I had XM in a long ago sold car. I really loved the service but then I started getting more and more drop outs in the same places with nothing to block the signal. I was given the blow off by their tech dept. so I dumped the service.
I bought a Dodge Challenger last year that is at the end of the 1 year free service. The drop outs and now large holes in service are even worse than when it was just XM. I drive 75 miles round trip through L.A. -All freeway driving where you would think there would be a good consistent signal. The biggest holes in service are in areas where there are no tall buildings or overpasses. I have noticed I lose signal where there are clusters of cell antennas and think it's interference from cell transmission that is at least part of the problem.
My service is ending soon so I will not be renewing it. Too bad as they do have some great programming (except for the commercials on more stations) and I do really like the real time traffic map on my nav.
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Yes! many dropouts in service and coverage in 2017.
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Soo, maybe covered earlier, but I just got the All Access where I can listen on my computer streaming SiriusXM. Went to settings where the options for Low/Normal/Max. What is the Kbps for each one? The quality does not hang with Spotify premium. Just curious.
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The highest bitrate is 320kbps btw.
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As above-
IMO, Sat Radio was much better when it was a music -only platform. Adding sports, weather and other garbage degrades its value.
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Yes! many dropouts in service and coverage in 2017.
Especially near T-Mobile cell towers.

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SiriusXM Radio and T-Mobile USA acknowledged in late 2015 that T-Mobile cell towers were causing signal interference on SiriusXM’s satellite radios. Both companies said fixing the problem was the other firm’s responsibility (see *******.com/gq36e2k). So far, neither company has announced a solution. When I sought comment last week, neither responded.

Previously, both companies said that the interference problem is caused by a radio signal phenomenon called “intermodulation.” Two different T-Mobile tower frequencies are colliding, thereby creating a third frequency. It is this third radio frequency signal that produces interference on SiriusXM radios.

While there’s no way to prove that your loss of a SiriusXM signal is caused by cell tower interference, the locations you mention are near T-Mobile cell towers, according to the website cellreception.com. In Burnsville, the intersection is about 3.5 miles from a tower, in Shakopee about 2 miles away and in Bloomington about 1.5 miles away. Cell tower transmissions can reach up to 10 miles, and directional antennas can be “aimed” toward high-demand areas such as busy highways.

Potential solutions mentioned in 2015 included altering the way the cell towers operate, improving the way satellite radios filter out unrelated signals, or strengthening satellite signals (to overcome interference) by rebroadcasting them from ground stations.

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Love the news and sports channels. It's my only convenient source in the cars.
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Love the news and sports channels. It's my only convenient source in the cars.
Pretty much the only reason I keep it. There just isn't another easy way to get cable news audio. And out-of-market college sports isn't the easiest thing to stream, either.

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I see they added CBS Sports Radio.
Any idea what channel it is on for streaming?

Perhaps I misremembered.

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I've found the best way to listen to SiriusXM is via the phone app. I have it set to maximum quality and think it's worth the extra set-up time compared to just listening to the satellite signal. I think it sounds better than Pandora and the playlist on First Wave sounds more diverse than my Smiths Channel. And the songs are true stereo so I should enjoy the Beatles channel even more.

And don't get me started on the news/talk stations that sound near FM quality.

P.S.: I have Sprint with unlimited data so I don't pay to listen and my reception has stayed consistently good with only a few dropouts per trip. If the wife is going to keep it for her sat listening I'll keep tuning in via my iPhone.
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Most people use Sirius in their vehicles where convenience matters, news/talk SQ does not, smartphone is freed up (like for Spotify). Don't know what true stereo means. Otherwise it's fake?
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Thanks Drewdawg for that info...the other day I received a "please come back" offer for SiriusXM ($25 for 5 months service), that also includes streaming access. Given how miserable the audio quality is on the satellite music channels, I have never paid for a "true" subscription, just activating it now and then when the offer is cheap enough. The downside is that I have to put a calendar reminder in to make sure I cancel before the promotion runs out, and also they only let you cancel via phone.

I just activated the 5 month offer, and a quick check of the streaming quality confirms what you said....it is WAY better than the satellite feed, and even though the bluetooth connection is a clunkier way to listen in my vehicle, definitely worth the effort. I also have an unlimited data plan so usage not an issue.
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thanks to this thread, and the article 'why I did not buy a Benz'

I bought a used Polk XM reference XRt12 tuner (for home audio): I found the audio quality much better than the Sirius SRH2000 which had metallic like compression: the Polk sounds much cleaner
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Same goes for the SQ complaint in cars - it is often because of inferior equipment. Sirius on my $5k B&W option in a BMW and the $6k Burmester in a 911 both sound great.
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Same goes for the SQ complaint in cars - it is often because of inferior equipment. Sirius on my $5k B&W option in a BMW and the $6k Burmester in a 911 both sound great.


Why would they use a system that requires an expensive hardware setup to sound good?


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I’m asking because the radio in my 2013 Chevy Equinox sounds like low bitrate internet. IOW it sounds like without the warmth.


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