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joetoronto 01-03-2005 04:00 PM

If you have one of these units, this is the thread to get help.

If you simply want to talk about how you returned yours or how you never bought one in the first place, see Londo's long, drawn out thread on this page.

Bear15 01-03-2005 10:08 PM

I've had this about two weeks and I LOVE it.

Questions: Is it possible to get an extension for the IR blaster? it won't reach to my STB.

What the best way to record shows longer than 2 hours and then transfer to DVD? I'm recording in SP mode and then doing a bit conversion to fit it on one 4.7 gb disk. Is it better, quality-wise, to record to the HDD at a lower rate and then do a high speed transfer to a DVD?

What bit rate do you record to the HDD? Where do you start to see a drop off in pic quality?

PS. Good thread. I learned a ton about the 32 here before I bought it. But I got tired of wading through all the posts about you know what.

grocky 01-04-2005 06:03 AM

I wonder if someone could take the time to outline in detail the specific steps required to edit out commercials from a recorded TV program. Thanks in advance.

Bear15 01-04-2005 06:40 AM

Just going off of memory...Here's what I did.

Use the edit button to go to the edit menu, then select Chapter Edit. Start your first chapter mark at the start of the program, following any intro commercials, etc. Put chapter marks at the beginning and end of each commercial segment. If you fast forward through the show, it goes pretty quickly.

If you set it up right, all of the even numbered chapters will be the show you want to keep, and the odd numbered chapters will be the commercials you want to get rid of. Then create a playlist out of all of the even numbered chapters. From the Content menu use the Quick Menu to make a high speed copy of the playlist onto the HDD. You will end up with a new original version of the show without commercials. You can then delete the original recording, which will also delete the playlist you created.

The manual says that there can only be a limited number of chapters for each title, but I've done this with 3+ hour football games and created over 50 some chapters with no problem.

Anyone have a better method? I'd love to hear it.

kldat 01-04-2005 07:07 AM

A question. Is this limited to just the XS32 or can XS52 questions, answers and topics be submitted? I know there are some variations but should be mainly the same.

grocky 01-04-2005 07:25 AM

Thanks Bear15, I will try it out and I will let you know how it works.

joetoronto 01-04-2005 07:25 AM

Quote:


Originally posted by kldat
A question. Is this limited to just the XS32 or can XS52 questions, answers and topics be submitted? I know there are some variations but should be mainly the same.

if the units are pretty much the same, other than one being hd and the other sd, i have no problem with it.

anybody else?

grocky 01-04-2005 07:30 AM

From other threads is seems that the 52 does not support RW, otherwise the menu structure and functions seem the same (?), so from my perspective this thread could include both.

JK27 01-04-2005 08:00 AM

Great idea to start a thread for users!

I am aware that one can select frame-editing or GOP editing on the Toshibas.

What do most people use here? I do not understand why someone would use GOP editing -- as that seems much less precise. Any thoughts or suggestions?

FWIW, I'm primarily editing home movies and most scenes have some sort of transition between scenes (wipes, fades). Thanks in advance!

joetoronto 01-04-2005 09:13 AM

Quote:


Originally posted by grocky
From other threads is seems that the 52 does not support RW, otherwise the menu structure and functions seem the same (?), so from my perspective this thread could include both.

i agree. i still don't understand why they made the 52 without being able to use RW though, weird.

joetoronto 01-04-2005 09:22 AM

Quote:


Originally posted by Bear15
I've had this about two weeks and I LOVE it.

Questions: Is it possible to get an extension for the IR blaster? it won't reach to my STB.

i can't say i know for sure but i'd be really surprised if there was one.

What the best way to record shows longer than 2 hours and then transfer to DVD? I'm recording in SP mode and then doing a bit conversion to fit it on one 4.7 gb disk. Is it better, quality-wise, to record to the HDD at a lower rate and then do a high speed transfer to a DVD?

i hope somebody answers this question, i've been wondering about this for some time now.

What bit rate do you record to the HDD? Where do you start to see a drop off in pic quality?

another good question.

PS. Good thread. I learned a ton about the 32 here before I bought it. But I got tired of wading through all the posts about you know what.

agreed, we already have more help in this thread than the 29 pages in the other thread.


cbearnm 01-04-2005 10:45 AM

Quote:


Originally posted by Bear15
I've had this about two weeks and I LOVE it.

Questions: Is it possible to get an extension for the IR blaster? it won't reach to my STB.

Check Radio Shack, should be a simple enough deal, but I'm not sure.

Quote:


Originally posted by Bear15
What the best way to record shows longer than 2 hours and then transfer to DVD? I'm recording in SP mode and then doing a bit conversion to fit it on one 4.7 gb disk. Is it better, quality-wise, to record to the HDD at a lower rate and then do a high speed transfer to a DVD?

What bit rate do you record to the HDD? Where do you start to see a drop off in pic quality?

My method is to guestimate the total running time without comercials. Regular tv shows are easy, typically 46 minutes / hour is safe. Football games are tougher, but if it goes around 3 hours 10 minutes, I have found that 2 hours 15 minutes (135 minutes) will get it to fit (trimming halftime out)

I then use the Quick Menu to set the AV Record Quality (I think that's it, I'm not at home). Move down to User5 (under HDD) and use the Frame Advance toggle to change the rate. At the bottom of the screen, you will see the efffective number of minutes that will fit on a DVD at that rate.
(One thing to try to remember is to reset the record mode back to SP after the record to HDD. Too easy to forget.)

I then record the program (from my Tivo, but you can do it live) to the HDD on the RD-SX32. When it's done, do the commercial editing (a little differently, I'll explain) and if the edited title is within the time guessed at, I do a high speed dub to DVD.

My way of editing commercials (no better or worse, just more comfortable for me.) is to block off the commercials first, then go into the EDIT button function and use the (I think) second to last option (Delete selected items) to delete the commercials from the original title. For football games, I then go back to chapter editing to combine chapters into the respective quarters.

The playlist is probably a better way to do the editing, but my little peabrain had some difficulty grapsing it at first, so I am used to working with the original title. I would have to agree the playlist is 'safer', (as I'm thinking through this more) because if you mess up, you haven't messed up your original.

I have noticed that up to about 2.5 hours, there is little degradation. When you gat past that and particularly at 3 hours it is more noticable. However, even at 4 hours, it is still better than VHS quality, IMO. For instance, I have recorded 3 episodes per disc of "Dead Like Me" (~45 minutes each) and they have only slight degradation from the original source.

The advantage of recording to HDD at the lower bit rate is (in my eyes, not sure if it's technically correct.) that the high speed dub is a quicker method of writing to disk, rather than going through the bit conversion step. I'm sure you will get other feedback on this. (Again, not sure if it matters, 'technically', but it works best for me.)

PerryU 01-04-2005 12:27 PM

Here's my understanding, not guaranteed correct:

Bear15: basically the same steps I use, but I don't bother dubbing the playlist to the hard drive; I just dub it directly to the DVD. If I wanted several copies, it might make sense to dub a clean copy to the HDD first.

GOP vs Frame edit: if you're recording to DVD-Video (for playback in a regular DVD player), that format only supports breaks at the GOP boundaries. You'll find your nice frame breaks may move when you write to that format, so you'll get bits of commercials before / after. What I do is go into Chapter Edit - GOP mode, and for each chapter break toggle forward / back until it's where I want it (or as close as I can get it). Once this is done, the chapter breaks don't seem to move from where they're set. Of course you can't set them as accurately as you can by frame, but if you're writing to DVD-Video you're losing that accuracy anyway, so you might as well be in control.

Copying via playlist vs. deleting chapters: one consequence of deleting chapters in the original is a more fragmented drive, which will hurt performance and available space eventually, requiring a re-format.

Cheers... Perry.

JK27 01-04-2005 12:40 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by PerryU
Here's my understanding, not guaranteed correct:

Bear15: basically the same steps I use, but I don't bother dubbing the playlist to the hard drive; I just dub it directly to the DVD. If I wanted several copies, it might make sense to dub a clean copy to the HDD first.

GOP vs Frame edit: if you're recording to DVD-Video (for playback in a regular DVD player), that format only supports breaks at the GOP boundaries. You'll find your nice frame breaks may move when you write to that format, so you'll get bits of commercials before / after. What I do is go into Chapter Edit - GOP mode, and for each chapter break toggle forward / back until it's where I want it (or as close as I can get it). Once this is done, the chapter breaks don't seem to move from where they're set. Of course you can't set them as accurately as you can by frame, but if you're writing to DVD-Video you're losing that accuracy anyway, so you might as well be in control.

Copying via playlist vs. deleting chapters: one consequence of deleting chapters in the original is a more fragmented drive, which will hurt performance and available space eventually, requiring a re-format.

Cheers... Perry.

Excellent explanation of GOP v. Frame Edits. Thank you!

jmscott42 01-04-2005 01:50 PM

How do you actually toggle the chapter point back and forth? (I assume you mean you've already set the chapters and then go into the Chapter Menu)

I usually just watch the video, use the fast-skip/fast-rewind (+30/-10) to find commercials, and use the Chapter Point button on the remote. I see the wording on the Chapter Point Edit Menu implies you can move the actual point back and forth but I can't figure out how to do that. Or do you mean you set your chapter points within that screen and use the "Frame Adjust" buttons back and forth until you're at the right point?

PerryU 01-04-2005 04:55 PM

I do it all in Chapter Editing mode. Once there, I press Quick Menu, choose Chapter Break Edit mode, select By GOP. Then I go through the show, and wherever I want a chapter break I set it, then cursor-down to the chapter list, and Frame-Adjust back and forth. Then cursor-up to carry on to the next break. It's a bit clumsy, but seems to work.

This looked to me like the chapter was being set initally by frame, then when adjusting it moved to the nearest GOP boundary. VideoGrabber cast some doubt on that though... see posts 565/6/7 in the other thread for details. I do know that before I did this I would set the break carefully to the frame I wanted, but when dubbing to DVD-Video it would move up to .5 sec, so I got frames of commercial or whatever. Doing it this way, I sometimes can't avoid getting (or losing) a frame or two of content (because the break is less than the GOP length of .5 sec), but wherever I set it, it seems to stay.

I also do the Chapter Preview as a last check before I dub it. Obviously I only go to all this trouble for stuff I care about, but it's neat that you can do it.

Cheers... Perry.

mattack 01-04-2005 06:59 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by PerryU
GOP vs Frame edit: if you're recording to DVD-Video (for playback in a regular DVD player), that format only supports breaks at the GOP boundaries. You'll find your nice frame breaks may move when you write to that format, so you'll get bits of commercials before / after. What I do is go into Chapter Edit - GOP mode, and for each chapter break toggle forward / back until it's where I want it (or as close as I can get it). Once this is done, the chapter breaks don't seem to move from where they're set. Of course you can't set them as accurately as you can by frame, but if you're writing to DVD-Video you're losing that accuracy anyway, so you might as well be in control.

Ok, so if you're using GOP mode, you'll see the real place where the edits will be, while you're setting up the chapters or sections to delete? That sounds like it makes more sense, even if we'd really like frame accurate editing.

Do either of the editing "modes" (chapters vs removing sections) affect the audio and/or video gaps on the resulting DVD, or is this a result of seamless/not seamless when burning?

PerryU 01-04-2005 08:55 PM

My (limited) understanding is that the GOP limitation is a function of the DVD-Video standard, not the recorder. The only improvement I could see is if it actually marked the chapters on GOP boundaries in the first place (when in GOP mode).

Not sure what you mean by chapter vs removing sections. To me these aren't two modes, but two steps in the process: first you mark the chapters, then you copy the ones you want (or delete the ones you don't). And if by audio / video gaps you mean blank space between scenes on the DVD, I don't think in terms of gaps. A title is a seamless stream of audio / video, with (potentially) chapter marks that simply mark a spot in the stream. Some of that stream may be black / silent, but it's still frame-by-frame recording. (The virtual 'tape' doesn't stop running, it just has nothing on it.)

If you want nice transitions when you're removing ads, you make sure your chapters include some dead space at the beginning and end. Usually a scene of TV fades to black, then the ad starts; if the black space is > 1 GOP long you can put the chapter break in the black on both ends of the break and get a nice, invisible black-to-black transition. If it's < 1 GOP, and the GOP boundary doesn't happen to fall in the black, you're stuck either cutting the fade short or catching a frame or two of ad (which often starts without a fade-in).

It'd be nice if you could insert a GOP-length of black, to give yourself more room to do a nice break. Come to think of it, you could do that by recording some dead air and adding a GOP-length chapter to the playlist, but it means doing two dubs. Neat idea, though, for perfectionists... I might try it!

trickster68 01-05-2005 05:32 AM

Anyone having problems recording to HDD? I have gotten error messages on 2 occasions (at the end of the recordings) The first one was the last episode of Friends which did not please my wife... The error message says "Recording failed, if problems persists contact Service Center". Anyone know anything about this? Causes?, remedies?

If I look in the "Library" there is a record of the attempted recording, but instead of dates and times it states a bunch of zeros followed by other numbers.

Regards

Trickster68

joetoronto 01-05-2005 07:05 AM

as a matter of fact, i had it happen a couple of days ago for the first time.

i remember that it wasn't a timed recording, i just pushed the record button and after a couple of hours, i got the same message.

on the title, it had numbers too with "HD" at the end.

i'm wondering if i simply ran out of room on the hard drive now that i think about it.

PerryU 01-05-2005 12:22 PM

Hmm... doesn't sound good, unless it's as simple as running out of HDD room.

If that's not the issue, and especially if you've used your HDD a lot, you might try reformatting. Don't forget to backup to DVD-RAM first.

Another possibility is a problem with copy-protection logic. I know little about it, but apparently our local cable co (Shaw) has been turning some scheme or other on and off on various channels. I've had no problems recording yet, though.

mattack 01-05-2005 07:42 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by PerryU
Not sure what you mean by chapter vs removing sections. To me these aren't two modes, but two steps in the process: first you mark the chapters, then you copy the ones you want (or delete the ones you don't). And if by audio / video gaps you mean blank space between scenes on the DVD, I don't think in terms of gaps.

No, I mean literally removing sections -- I know there's the editing mode where you can choose start/stop and remove a section from a recording.

Also, others have mentioned that you get either audio fade-out before/after a split, or you get a video pause/glitch (sort of like a layer switch). I was wondering how to minimize those.

Bear15 01-06-2005 12:45 PM

OK, I found the answer to some of my questions...

The IR cord is actually longer than I thought, so it will reach to my STB. But, the codes for my Motorola box don't seem to work. Anyone have problems with this, with a Motorola HD STB?

Also, if I turn the IR to "on", will all recording be done through the STB? I have a straight cable connection to the RF input, and also run the STB to Input L1 via Svideo. That way I can do programmed recordings without messing around with the STB, and still use the STB to record digital channels and HD programming. I'd rather record the regular cable channels through the RF connection, it's a little cleaner signal. But will the IR "on" override that and record everything through Input L1 using the STB?

I'm also experimenting with recording games a little slower than SP, so that they will fit on a DVD at about 2hrs20mins. Trying to find a happy medium between quality and time. The playoffs are coming........

PerryU 01-06-2005 01:01 PM

Bear15, I have the same setup as you, and I didn't figure a way to have the Tosh change the Moto channels unless it's doing all its recording that way. Mind you I didn't experiment; just read the manual. My conclusion was that it will either tune the RF in or tune the cable box, but not both.

What I do when I want to record a digital channel is program the recording time into both the STB and the Tosh, setting the Tosh to L1. (With my provider's program guide, programming the Moto is pretty simple.)

Since I don't subscribe to a lot of digital channels, or have HD, 95% of my recording is analogue anyway.

HTH... Perry.

PerryU 01-06-2005 01:02 PM

p.s. - because I never actually tried it, I can't help you with code for the Moto box, but I'm sure I've heard of it working.

joetoronto 01-07-2005 04:03 AM

i just found out that "100" works for expressvu/dish 3100 models.

toddreg 01-07-2005 07:19 AM

Ok, been trying to get up to speed with our new XS32 that came down the chimney this Christmas. As you go you find you are asking yourself more how to questions to simplify common steps.

In trying to utilize just the XS32 remote I would like to find a way to switch back and forth between the current channel (when in normal tv watching mode) and the last channel, like most normal tv remotes do. This way I can watch two channels by being able to easily and quickly switch between the two. My wife just loves this habit.

Secondly, you seem to only be able to change tv channels on the XS32 remote by scrolling through the lineup, channel by channel. The number pad on the XS remote does not change the channels. Is there a way to customize the remote so that you can enter the channel you wish to go to so you don't have to scroll through all the channels in between?

grocky 01-07-2005 12:20 PM

toddreg,

In regards to your second Q, you can change channels either by "scrolling" through the list (forwards or backwards) or by entering the number directly using the number pad under the lid in the remote. I just tried it to double check before I posted, so I know for a fact that it works. I was in "HDD" mode, but I don't think that makes a difference.

PerryU 01-07-2005 12:50 PM

Are you trying to change the channel on your TV, or on the XS32? IIRC, only the channel up / down buttons work the TV; the number buttons work when you're tuning the XS32.

My impression was the XS32 remote isn't great for use as a universal remote. I use a couple of remotes; I'm not sure how successfully even the better programmables would handle all the XS32 functions, but that's an option that might allow you one remote for most purposes.

toddreg 01-08-2005 07:09 AM

Yes, I am referring to changing just the tv channels. And like you said I can only use the scroll function on the XS32 remote to change the channels, the key pad doesn't do it so I don't know what the first responder to my question was referring to. Are any buttons programable that you know of to perhaps handle the last channel function?

PerryU 01-08-2005 10:29 AM

I don't know of any programmable keys on the remote; I suspect you're out of luck.

I find the remote pretty good for controlling the XS32: lots of function-specific keys in positions that seem to work well (except a couple under the door), but I don't use it at all to control my tv or cable box. My cable box remote is far more flexible; I use it for tv and stereo as well. So I'm stuck juggling 2 remotes. I might get a good programmable one day in hopes of simplifying, but as I said I'm not hopeful that it'll manage all the XS32 functions.

Cheers... Perry.

joetoronto 01-08-2005 12:53 PM

i agree 100%, the remote isn't really cut out to be a smart remote.

use something else, your better off.

Bear15 01-09-2005 11:00 AM

I have a Home Theater Master MX500. Highly Recommended. Able to learn practically anything, and very flexible. But I haven't figured out yet what to label the "O" button.

I'm curious, does anyone use the DVD-RAM disks? If so, what for and how? I've recorded a number of -R, and will use the -RW quite abot to record shows and view them on other TV's. I see the flexibility of the DVD RAM's, but if I can't use them on any other players, aren't they basically just an extension of the HDD? Or am I missing something.

joetoronto 01-09-2005 11:11 AM

basically ya, their like a portable mini hard drive. they also hold more than other dvd's.

PhinPhan 01-10-2005 07:20 AM

Quote:


Originally posted by Bear15
Just going off of memory...Here's what I did.

Use the edit button to go to the edit menu, then select Chapter Edit. Start your first chapter mark at the start of the program, following any intro commercials, etc. Put chapter marks at the beginning and end of each commercial segment. If you fast forward through the show, it goes pretty quickly.

If you set it up right, all of the even numbered chapters will be the show you want to keep, and the odd numbered chapters will be the commercials you want to get rid of. Then create a playlist out of all of the even numbered chapters. From the Content menu use the Quick Menu to make a high speed copy of the playlist onto the HDD. You will end up with a new original version of the show without commercials. You can then delete the original recording, which will also delete the playlist you created.

The manual says that there can only be a limited number of chapters for each title, but I've done this with 3+ hour football games and created over 50 some chapters with no problem.

Anyone have a better method? I'd love to hear it.

I just received my RD-XS32 Friday and have already created a few dvd's from movies I had saved on my Directv Tivo, this unit is great. Thanks to all of you in this thread on the other thread for helping me make my decision.

Thanks Bear15 This method is prefect for removing commercials.

Also I have seen a few posters asking about what DVD-R/RW/RAM media that is best or which to use. Since we have this thread I was thinking of creating a post with a DVD-R/RW/RAM catalog of what everyone has used and what kind of success. Thoughts on this idea? I will maintain it if everyone thinks it is a good idea.

flipcody 01-10-2005 10:10 AM

I just got a XS32 and I do not yet have a remote. I bought demo unit with no remote and will not get remote that I ordered until end of week.

Is there anyway to set up XS32 without remote? I have tried recording to HDD and it tells me that I have to put in the time (which I can't do).

I have a MX500 universal remote and tried the codes but they did not work. Any ideas? Any way to navigate setup with buttons on unit?

Thanks!

joetoronto 01-10-2005 10:25 AM

can you not just hit the record button as opposed to setting up a timer recording?

flipcody 01-10-2005 11:36 AM

nope, if I hit record i get the time needs to be inputed question.

This is so agrivating. It has to be the first time I have bought a toy like this and I'm unable to use it. I spent hours trying to do with MX500. Oh well, I did get it cheap.

joetoronto 01-10-2005 11:41 AM

well ya, you got it real cheap and now you just have to wait for the remote.

the waiting must be hard though, it's a wonderful machine.

Bear15 01-11-2005 09:12 AM

flipcody, you got a great deal on that XS32. Even if you need to buy the remote, it's worth waiting for at that price. In the meantime, spend your time reading through the manual. By the time you have all of that digested, the remote should be there. PS. My first Toshiba PS DVD was a Best Buy demo, great unit with no problems.

In regards to media: I rec'd a box of Memorex -RW as a gift. I opened two and I now have two shiny new coasters. Neither would even format. They meet the specs, they just don't work. I've been buying Fuji -R and -RW from Best Buy and haven't had a problem yet.

nascar24 01-11-2005 05:32 PM

I bought some fugi from newegg and will report back on if they work ok or not. Im hoping so, Allready wasted money on some Ridata that didnt work on either the XS32 or my PC. Only reason I went with newegg over bestbuy is the bestbuy were only 1x as the ones at newegg are 2x.

jmscott42 01-11-2005 06:16 PM

Never trust Best Buy online's media speed descriptions (this goes for most online stores, such as Staples, CompUSA, etc). The SKU's for 1X media is the same as 8X media as Fuji increases the speed. If you order from BB you almost always get the fastest available (currently 8x). They don't keep stockpiles of old media around just to sell later on.

Mr. Stinky Pants 01-12-2005 07:19 AM

I finally set up my XS32 that I bought in the weeks before Christmas. Unfortunately, it turns out that I have the ZL10 firmware. No big deal, I'm still happy with it. But is there anything I should look out for? Is media compatibility the big difference between ZL10 and ZL11?

I tried playing a DVD and I do noticed that the blacks seem somewhat lighter (in the scenes at the beginning of Superman with the Phantom Zone villians and Zor-El).

I placed an old problem DVD-RAM I had and tried to format it but it wouldn't do it. I even tried to do a physical format but it didn't help. This DVD-RAM came from a PC with a Panasonic LF-D311 drive. It used to work perfectly but then I tried to copy a Hong Kong DVD to it by using NeoDVD and for some reason I can never write to it afterwards. I can't even format it on the PC. I was hoping the Toshiba XS32 could format it and fix it.

I just think it's strange that I could ruin a DVD-RAM disk by trying to copy a DVD to it. And it's even stranger that I can't fix it by reformatting it. I thought DVD-RAM was supposed to be the most robust DVD media?

Anyways, I can't wait to get home after work and play with my XS32 some more.

PhinPhan 01-12-2005 08:16 AM

I have only used Verbatim DVD-R's (Product Number : 94495) I have probably used closed to 100 (mostly in a pc) of these and I have not had one fail, and I just ordered more. The Verbatim's also have played just fine in every DVD player I have tried to play them in.

MASteve 01-12-2005 09:53 AM

I've had mine since May '04 and still love it.

I've used a couple of different types of DVDs, with success. Presently, I'm using a Memorex 8x speed bought at BB. I've had no problems with any of the 10-12 I've used off the spindle so far.

As far as commercial editing goes, I use the playlist > DVD creation option. Works like a charm and the menus are a good enough for my uses.

Has anyone noticed any incompatibilities with playback on other dvd players? I have had one issue with Sonys, but that's it.

cbearnm 01-12-2005 03:17 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by MASteve
Has anyone noticed any incompatibilities with playback on other dvd
players? I have had one issue with Sonys, but that's it.

I had an older Sony that won't play ANY burned DVDs (either +/- R), newer DVD players seem to have no problems with discs from the Toshiba.

Ralph P 01-12-2005 03:35 PM

Just a note: I have recorded many DVD-r's on my PC and played excellent. I also used my DVD-r=R+ with the recording recorder set to DVD-ROM and played excellent. I think the thing I noticed is that the blacks were blacker than normal and I used my TV settings to lighted the picture. I have the 11 firmware. I haven't recorded anything yet on the Toshiba. As soon as I get a chance to read all the manual I will though. I appreciate all you guys have posted here. For an Old retiree it takes a little longer to get this stuff down even though I been in this field for some odd 40 yrs.

Thanks, and keep up the excellent postings
Ralph P

joetoronto 01-12-2005 04:31 PM

wow, somebody older than me?

nascar24 01-12-2005 05:10 PM

Well, I just received my Fuji 2x DVD-RW discs from newegg and they appear to work so I am happy now. I was hoping the Ridata 4X that I bought from amazon for cheap would work but they do not, They wont even work in my PC DVD burners, So I would stear clear of those.

MASteve 01-13-2005 06:44 AM

Quote:


Originally posted by cbearnm
I had an older Sony that won't play ANY burned DVDs (either +/- R), newer DVD players seem to have no problems with discs from the Toshiba.


Thanks for the reply. It seems older Sonys may be the issue. I have an older GE player that plays every one. I also gave a bunch of discs as gifts that have all worked (so far).

JK27 01-13-2005 06:57 AM

Quote:


Originally posted by cbearnm
I had an older Sony that won't play ANY burned DVDs (either +/- R), newer DVD players seem to have no problems with discs from the Toshiba.

Interesting ... my oldest DVD player, a Sony, plays all DVD-R disks burned on my RD-XS32 without problem. It will also play DVD+R disks burned on my PC. I think this very well may be model-dependent -- as to which models will/will not play burned DVD media. I'll check my model # and post it after work.

mattack 01-13-2005 07:31 PM

How old of a Sony? I've got a Sony "300" (I think it may have some letters before the number, but 300 is the main component of the version #), and was just curious whether burned DVD-Rs will work on it. This was about the first relatively cheap Sony DVD player. IIRC, it was about $300 street.

Mostly I don't care if they don't, just curious. What about DVD-RWs?

6volt 01-13-2005 09:51 PM

Has anyone tried this? (I would but I don't have any -RW media yet to experiment with.)

To get frame accurate editing onto a DVD would this work:

1) Edit HD using VR (frame)

2) Do a Rate Conversion Dub HD to HD at the SAME bitrate. (When a bit rate conversion is done, all chapter markers are lost.) NOTE: it is possible that merging all chapters MAY accomplish the same thing.

3) Create new VOB chapters if desired.

4) Hi Speed Dub onto DVD.

This would eliminate the possibility of bits of commerials finding their way onto the DVD when the VR chapters are converted to VOB chapters during the Hi Speed dub.

Tom

PS: How do you go straight to your Subscribed Threads? Thanks

6volt 01-13-2005 10:05 PM

The PC drive is a Micro Advantage and the Media is Maxell DVD-R.

I made a DVD from a HD file that I created VR chapters. It was Hi Speed dub of a SP Mode, 4.6 Rate, D/M1.

This worked on my PC dvd drive.

Then I took a 3 hr program from the HD with VR chapters and did a rate conversion dub to the DVD where I used a Manual setting of a 3.0 rate to get the desired 3 hour capacity.

When I did the burn, I lost the chapters.

Just to make matters a bit more obscure, I dropped the DVD and it has some nicks in it. But it plays OK in the Toshiba. In the PC, it appears as an Audio-CD with no content.

I figure my problem might be:

1) I violated a "Standard" LP bit-rate.
2) Only the SP bit-rate is compatible.
3) I damaged the DVD just enough by dropping it.

Any suggestions?

Thanks
Tom

PerryU 01-13-2005 10:14 PM

You know, 6volt, that just might work... now why didn't I think of that?? I've always set chapters using GOP, then created a playlist of the chapters I want, then dubbed directly to DVD... which is why I used GOP edit to begin with.

If you copy the playlist to the HDD, that creates a new title with just the content you want, and should be frame-accurate. I think whether you remove the chapters or not is inconsequential; dub that content to DVD and you couldn't possibly pick up bits of commercials that weren't in the copy, could you? Sounds right to me.

Thanks! Perry.

PS: Click on "User CP" (Control Panel) in the top menu. There's a panel in there showing current subscribed threads, and a link to view them all.

6volt 01-14-2005 11:31 AM

Thanks Perry for the CP tip. I probalby spent 15 minutes looking for that. Frankly, they should have a little button right on a forum page, but that is a small point.

Do you have any idea about my 3hour DVD compatability problem?

I was reading carefully the manual and they talked about rate conversion dubbing for 2 reasons:

1) Compress a long program to fit on a DVD-RAM, and
2) Convert VR to burn on DVD-R/RW.

It sounds like the 3hour "thing" I burned on my DVD-R is bogus???

PerryU 01-14-2005 12:29 PM

Don't know about your 3-hour problem. Maybe someone else here; I'm far from the most knowledgeable. Quite a DVD newb, actually. (You did finalize the disc, I'm sure...?)

Good luck... Perry.

jmscott42 01-14-2005 01:12 PM

6Volt, which message are you talking about? When you do a rate conversion dub, you lose your chapter points (that's a given). There's nothing 'wrong', just inconvenient.

The trick with the XS32 is to try to figure out how long the program will be before recording so you can adjust the bitrate so you don't even need to worry about a later rate conversion; granted this isn't always possible (and the XS32 does a very nice job with the conversion) but it helps prevent stupid glitches like this from having their chance to mess your video up.

Or am I missing the post about the problem?

myet01 01-14-2005 01:19 PM

Does anyone know if there is a DVD-R bit rate / audio rate (M1/M2) matrix out there (similar to the DVD-RAM matrix at the back of the XS-32 manual)?

Tony

6volt 01-14-2005 02:21 PM

JMScott42:

Yes, you missed my problem.

I think I understand pretty much about the bit rate conversion and the losing of chapters.

The Problem is that my 3 hr DVD that I burned using a rate of 3.0 is not recognized by my Micro Advantage PC DVD burner.

I burned a LP DVD on the Toshiba and it was recognized.

So why the problem with the 3 hr DVD? In fact, it registers as a "Audio CD" with a single file fragment when viewed with Explorer.

I was just thinking that there is no such thing as a 3 hour DVD so maybe when I created one, it is some kind of non-standard format that conventional DVD players will not recognize.

jmscott42 01-14-2005 03:37 PM

Sounds like a bad burn (bad media, etc). Try a different brand of disc. There's no reason a 3-hour mode disc won't work. Or your reader just may not like it. I don't think you can trick the Toshiba into producing a "non-standard DVD" as it's all just MPEG-- bitrates and such must be within a certain range but the XS32 won't let you go outside of that.

Those SP,XP, etc modes are just there to give people a familiar (VCR-like) reference point.

I NEVER use the "presets" for my recordings and never have any issues like yours, so I'd assume it's media (or reader) related.

6volt 01-14-2005 03:54 PM

I guess I'll burn some "standard" rates and see if the media works. So far I have been 1 for 1 at LP.

Again, my concern is similar to CD. There are only so many minutes on an audio CD. I suspect the same of DVD.

But what you are saying is that you have burned extra time DVDs and have had them work in other set top DVD players?

6volt 01-14-2005 05:16 PM

OOPS! JM,

I did a bid conversion dub to the dvd. I did not Edit Create DVD Video disc.

I'll bet there is a good chance if I finalize that disc (I don't think it is done automatically when you do the dub) it may work!

I'm in the midst of clearing space to record stuff tonight. As soon as I get a chance, I'll edit this reply with the results.

JK27 01-14-2005 09:01 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by JK27
Interesting ... my oldest DVD player, a Sony, plays all DVD-R disks burned on my RD-XS32 without problem. It will also play DVD+R disks burned on my PC. I think this very well may be model-dependent -- as to which models will/will not play burned DVD media. I'll check my model # and post it after work.

I just checked and my Sony DVD player is a DVP-S530D. It will play DVD-R's burned on my RD-XS32 and DVD+R's burned on my PC's DVD burner. This is the oldest DVD player in the house and I was surprised it plays both -R and +R disks.

6volt 01-14-2005 10:30 PM

PerryU,

HAHA. You're stating the obvious, "did you finalize it?" hit the nail on the head! I did the bid rate dub onto the DVD-R and did not finalize it.

Well, before I was able to get it back into the Toshiba to finalize it, I had to polish the scratches out to get it to read. Wow, polishing a DVD is NOTHING like polishing a CD. That DVD plastic seems drastically softer that CDs.

Anyhow, this is Great News.

Yeah, that black level bug really sucks, but that is what video correctors are for.

Mr. Stinky Pants 01-17-2005 09:26 AM

This weekend I made my first DVD with my Toshiba XS32. I edited dubbed a copy of the premiere of Battlestar Galactica for my brother (he doesn't get cable) from the HD to a CompUSA DVD-R.

The results look fantastic and played fine on my Cyberhome CH-D300S player! I'm very happy!

The only negative is the menu are somewhat plain and unattractive.

I then dubbed a copy onto a DVD-RAM disk and imported on one of my computers with a Panasonic DVD-RAM drive. My computer was able to import the DVD-VR format. Unfortunately, none of my video editing software (Ulead Movie Factory 3 and Ulead Video Studio 7) can handle Dolby Digital audio. Does anyone know of a good video editiing software that can handle it?

Also, has anybody had any problems with Memorex branded DVD-RAM disks? The ones I have that are biege in color seem to have problems. I don't know if it's because I first used them on a computer and then tried to use them on the Toshiba. They can't even format.

The Memorex DVD-RAM disks that are transparent purple seem to be okay. But that could be because I first used them on the Toshiba and only used the PC for reading them (and not writing or formatting them).

Bear15 01-18-2005 10:15 AM

The next Memorex DVD that I buy that actually works in my XS32 will be the first...

On second thought, no it won't because I won't buy any. It's too much of a crapshoot. And what do I do with the coasters I have now? send them back so they can send me more coasters?

I know some people have had good luck with Memorex, but it's the luck of the draw. I'll stick with Fuji. 100% so far.

Question: Has any one found a way to stay in editing mode when assigning frames to chapter thumbnails? Everytime I assign a frame it exits out and I have to go back in and select the next chapter to do it all over again. Am I not doing this right?

MASteve 01-18-2005 10:32 AM

Does anyone know what type of fire wire cable I need to connect my video camera?

To clarify, the camera end is very small, and the other end is only 4 pins I believe. I would think a 6 pin would do it, but I need one that will still fit the camera.

thanks

PhinPhan 01-18-2005 11:00 AM

Quote:


Originally posted by MASteve
Does anyone know what type of fire wire cable I need to connect my video camera?

To clarify, the camera end is very small, and the other end is only 4 pins I believe. I would think a 6 pin would do it, but I need one that will still fit the camera.

thanks

Most camera's are 4 pin firewire connections, if it is small then it is a 4 pin connection.

MASteve 01-18-2005 11:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhinPhan
Most camera's are 4 pin firewire connections, if it is small then it is a 4 pin connection.

That seems to be the problem. The camera end is smaller than a 4 pin.

Thanks for the reply

jmscott42 01-18-2005 11:43 AM

The 4 pin firewire connectors are very small (Well, it's what's on the front panel of the XS32). If it's not exactly the same connection as the XS32's front, are you sure it's firewire? I don't think there are any non-standard firewire cables.. (even my dad's Sony, King Of Proprietary Connections, uses a standard 4-pin firewire cable)

PhinPhan 01-18-2005 11:52 AM

What kind of camera (Make and Model) do you have?

MASteve 01-18-2005 12:25 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by PhinPhan
What kind of camera (Make and Model) do you have?

It's an older model

JVC GR-DVL720

I've used it with my PC in the past via firewire with no problems, but I dont' have a DVD burner in that machine

jemaerca 01-18-2005 01:02 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by MASteve
It's an older model

JVC GR-DVL720

I've used it with my PC in the past via firewire with no problems, but I dont' have a DVD burner in that machine

???

You say that you've connected to your PC in the past but now you're saying that you are unsure as to how to connect a firewire connection to your camcorder?

Apologies for asking the obvious question, but are you sure you're looking at the right port? A firewire 4-pin looks like a flattened skull (sorry, that's the best I could do). A firewire port is not round.

And if you follow this link:
http://shopper.cnet.com/JVC_GR_DVL72...derby=90&sort=
you will see that your camcorder does have what should be a standard firewire port.

MASteve 01-19-2005 04:56 AM

Quote:


Originally posted by jemaerca
???

You say that you've connected to your PC in the past but now you're saying that you are unsure as to how to connect a firewire connection to your camcorder?

Apologies for asking the obvious question, but are you sure you're looking at the right port? A firewire 4-pin looks like a flattened skull (sorry, that's the best I could do). A firewire port is not round.

And if you follow this link:
http://shopper.cnet.com/JVC_GR_DVL72...derby=90&sort=
you will see that your camcorder does have what should be a standard firewire port.

Thanks for the reply.

I know how to connect it, it just doesn't fit inot the Toshiba.

The camera end is not flat at all, it's a square connector that I goes into the firewire port on the camera (not standard). I am wondering if I need to special order a cable that has that small connector for the camrea and will still fit the Toshiba. Is the port on the Toshiba a 4 or 6 pin port?

joetoronto 01-19-2005 05:22 AM

i'm far from an expert but it sure sounds to me like you have the wrong cable.

isn't a square connection used for hookup to a computer?

MASteve 01-19-2005 05:53 AM

Quote:


Originally posted by joetoronto
i'm far from an expert but it sure sounds to me like you have the wrong cable.

isn't a square connection used for hookup to a computer?


I seem to have the right cable for the computer (4 pin port) but not for the XS32 (? 6 pin port).

joetoronto 01-19-2005 07:03 AM

Quote:


Originally posted by MASteve
I seem to have the right cable for the computer (4 pin port) but not for the XS32 (? 6 pin port).

if you mean i was right, just say it so i can celebrate.

EPlay 01-19-2005 08:52 AM

Quote:


Originally posted by Bear15

Question: Has any one found a way to stay in editing mode when assigning frames to chapter thumbnails? Everytime I assign a frame it exits out and I have to go back in and select the next chapter to do it all over again. Am I not doing this right?

Bear, I think that's the only way to do it. When you have the screen with all the chapter thumbnails laid out (From "Content Menu", I select the title thumbnail for the playlist copy I want and press "star"), it seems you can highlight one, choose Create chapter thumbnail from the quick menu, but after selecting with the "enter" button, it does take you back to the screen with all the chapter thumbnails. I guess they think you want to see what the present thumbnail is before changing it.

6volt 01-19-2005 10:23 AM

Soooooooooooo..........

Has anyone attempted to put a larger HD in ?

Actually, it has taken me about 3 months to fill the drive up and force my burning of DVDs.

If the drive was twice as large, it actually be easier to, if there was a way to do it, to swap the drive, and connect the full one to a PC and transfer all files at once. Bonus would be always getting a defragged, empty drive every 2 months or so.

jmscott42 01-19-2005 05:44 PM

The XS32 is a 4 pin firewire cable..

6volt 01-19-2005 07:40 PM

Anyone try the HP DVD-R red disks on sale at Staples 50 for $18???

I just got some and was hoping to find some compatability info on them and there is NOTHING on the regular forums.

BTW, is the mediamatch site still current???

PhinPhan 01-20-2005 08:18 AM

Has anyone tried to use a universial / programmable remote with their recorder? If so which one and how well does it work.

Mr. Stinky Pants 01-20-2005 09:23 AM

These Memorex DVD-RAM's really suck. Too bad I bought a ton of them (about 15) in the past. Even the purple clear case ones are starting to give me problems. Brand new and just opened, they cause my Panasonic LF-D311 drive (on my computer) to blink 2 times. This is supposed to mean the drive thinks either the disc or the lens is dirty.

When I use an Optowrite DVD-RAM disk, the drive doesn't blink so I'm thinking there's something wrong with the Memorex DVD-RAMs I have.

My Toshiba XS32 seemed to have trouble formatting them too. It paused during the formatting process at 30% and 75% but managed to complete.

These Memorex DVD-RAMs have given me a bad impression of DVD-RAM technology. The reason I went with DVD-RAM is because I heard it was supposed to be the most robust optical format around for important data archiving. But the unreliability of these Memorex discs gives me pause for concern for trusting DVD-RAM with important data.

I hope the Emtec DVD-RAM discs I recently bought at eBay restores my trust and belief that DVD-RAM is the best.

Mr. Stinky Pants 01-20-2005 09:28 AM

BTW, I bought Ulead DVD Movie Factory 3 Disc Creator for the purpose of importing the DVD-RAM videos into my PC. This software supports AC-3 (Dolby Digital ) encoding and decoding. I tried to use it last night to import my Battlestar Galactica recording from DVD-RAM for authoring a DVD with better looking menus but I aborted because it was taking too long (I think it was having trouble reading the video from the Memorex DVD-RAM because my Panasonic LF-D311 was constanting blinking twice -- which indicates it thought the disc or its lens was dirty)

6volt 01-20-2005 01:06 PM

I really like Number Six!

(could that be a Prisoner reference?)

Mr. Stinky Pants 01-20-2005 10:35 PM

I'm a moron! I wasted money buying DVD Movie Factory 3. I already have Nero 6.6 and I just found out it supports reading/importing/burning DVDs with Dolby AC-3 encoding. So, I didn't have to buy Movie Factory 3 for this ability.

And I just imported my Battlestar Galactica video from DVD-RAM, authored a DVD (with menus etc) and burned it to a DVD+RW and it plays perfectly on my Cyberhome DVD player! And Nero was amazingly fast! After importing the video, it only took 26 minutes to burn the DVD! Amazing! I'm very happy!

KJK77 01-21-2005 02:40 PM

Bear15 & All

Just got my RD-XS32 yesterday from Newegg.com, two day delivery service. Have recently used a Pioneer 220, some Lite-ons and ilo's, needles to say I now have the best. I never had much of a problem using various media but today I got stumped. Saw your thread on Fuji-R and
-RW, got a five-pack of RW's and a 50 pack of -R's. Can't get either one accepted by the Tosh. I also tried a compUSA-R which didn't work but a old used memorex-RW works fine. I wonder if my setup has missed something with the -R's not recognized. I might go back and get some Verbatim - I think I saw a thread that said they worked okay. You guys have a fery informative thread here.

KJK77 (oldgoat)

grocky 01-21-2005 05:27 PM

After I purchased my Toshiba xs32, I called Toshiba and they specifically told me to use Maxell's or Taiyo Yuden (made in Japan DVD-R x4) or Verbatim or Fuji (DVD-RW x2, MCC, made in Singapore). I have had good success with these 4 disc types.

nascar24 01-21-2005 05:38 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by KJK77
Bear15 & All

Just got my RD-XS32 yesterday from Newegg.com, two day delivery service. Have recently used a Pioneer 220, some Lite-ons and ilo's, needles to say I now have the best. I never had much of a problem using various media but today I got stumped. Saw your thread on Fuji-R and
-RW, got a five-pack of RW's and a 50 pack of -R's. Can't get either one accepted by the Tosh. I also tried a compUSA-R which didn't work but a old used memorex-RW works fine. I wonder if my setup has missed something with the -R's not recognized. I might go back and get some Verbatim - I think I saw a thread that said they worked okay. You guys have a fery informative thread here.

KJK77 (oldgoat)

No doubt the XS32 is a great machine been using it now for a couple of weeks without a hitch, Unlike my liteon clone that froze at times and died after just 8 months. Crossing my fingers on this one. Anyways I bought the fuji 2x -RW from newegg and they work fine.

KJK77 01-21-2005 08:25 PM

Nascar24/Grocky

Thanks guys for the response. I have to drive 22 miles to BB to exchange the Fuji's that I bought today, I'll start looking closer at manufactured point of origin. I'm bad about picking up "on-sale" media. Never was a big issue with me previously.

JK27 01-21-2005 11:16 PM

Quote:


Originally posted by KJK77
Bear15 & All

Just got my RD-XS32 yesterday from Newegg.com ... Saw your thread on Fuji-R and -RW, got a five-pack of RW's and a 50 pack of -R's. Can't get either one accepted by the Tosh. I also tried a compUSA-R which didn't work but a old used memorex-RW works fine.

I have had great success with TDK 8x DVD-R's and Sony DVD-RW's. Got both on sale at Best Buy. Good luck!

6volt 01-22-2005 06:32 PM

How long does it take your X32 to load blank DVD's? I've been using the yellow Maxell 4x DVD-R and sometimes it takes way over a minute not to mention a couple of times it fails to load. Trying again usually get them to load.

Let's put it this way, if you wanted to record something quickly directly to DVD, I could never attempt it due to the long, long load time.

Is this normal?

PerryU 01-22-2005 10:27 PM

I can't comment so much on blank media, but it sure takes a while to load a previously burned or even a commercial dvd. Just a minor annoyance; not sure why, unless it has to run through its whole list of supported media / recording types to identify it.

EPlay 01-23-2005 11:51 AM

Quote:


Originally posted by 6volt
How long does it take your X32 to load blank DVD's? I've been using the yellow Maxell 4x DVD-R and sometimes it takes way over a minute not to mention a couple of times it fails to load. Trying again usually get them to load.

Let's put it this way, if you wanted to record something quickly directly to DVD, I could never attempt it due to the long, long load time.

Is this normal?

I just did test loadings with Ridata 4x and Sony 8X DVD-Rs. Both took 35 seconds to load on my XS-32.

joetoronto 01-23-2005 11:54 AM

i just make sure i always have a blank disk loaded.

if you forget though, just record to the hard drive.

jmscott42 01-23-2005 01:07 PM

You have time to make dinner in the amount of time it takes to recognize a DVD-RAM.

Mr. Stinky Pants 01-23-2005 05:41 PM

I just found a use for my bad Memorex DVD-RAM disks. I just popped out the Memorex DVD-RAM and reused the cartridge by putting in a Fuji DVD-RAM disk (that came without a cartridge) inside the Memorex cartridge. Viola! Now my high quality Fuji DVD-RAM disks are protected.

KJK77 01-24-2005 04:22 PM

GO FIGURE -- As I previously reported, my RD-XS32 burns okay to the Hd, -Ram, and -RM, starting last Friday I have tried DVD-R's --TDK 2x-8x, Maxell, Fuji, Verbatim 1x-4x, Imation, CompUSA. On 1 occasion the Tosh accept an Imation after the 3rd try. Today I picked up a 15 pack of Office Depot 4x DVD-R's, the Tosh accepts these DVD's and they happen to be the cheapest I have found, I'm gonna quit looking for other brands since these are working. I now can take full advantage of what this recorder can do, lots of manual reading and learning the remote control, lots to absorb for an old buzzard like me.

KJK77

PhinPhan 01-24-2005 05:25 PM

After creating chapter marks, how do you delete just one mark or all the chapter marks? Do you use the "merge with previous cptr", "merge with following cptr", or "merge all chapters" commands or is there another way?

I was messing around with a recording last night and actually deleted the chapter I created which was not the thing to do because that deleted that section of the recording.


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