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I purchased some Sony DVD+RWs from the local Sams Club. They were 2 packs of 25 per spindle. So far they seem to work fine.

The DVDR3575H reports them as "SONY" which digitalfaq.com says are fakes from 2003. I wonder if Sony DVD+RW spindles of 25 were even available in 2003.

I noticed something that may be causing confusion when I went to videohelp.com. The only Media Code they show for Sony+RW 4.7 GB media is "SONY....S11" There are 4 NULL bytes between the "SONY" and the "S11". I wonder if the utility built into the DVDR2575H can handle that. When reading a string, it is common to treat a NULL byte as the end of the string. I wonder if the "S11" is there, but it is not being displayed. Until someone sees "SONY....S11" displayed by their DVDR3575H, it will be difficult to know whether the utility can display this particular Media Code accurately.

Before someone asks, I do not have a DVD drive on any of my PCs so I can't check them with some PC Binary tool.

Good catch, Ken!

I checked a couple of my Sony +Rs that showed just "SONY" in the 3575 in my computer with DVDDecrypter and it showed "SONY-D21-00."

Digitalfaq.com shows a good code of "SONYD21" and videohelp shows a good code of "SONY....D21" so the ones I got are OK. That prob. explains why my Sonys are working good in the 3575, same as yours.

Looks like a person will have to check some/all Sonys in a computer to be sure?... or better yet, just get Verbatim or TY Premium and be done with it!
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Good catch, Ken!

I checked a couple of my Sony +Rs that showed just "SONY" in the 3575 in my computer with DVDDecrypter and it showed "SONY-D21-00."

Digitalfaq.com shows a good code of "SONYD21" and videohelp shows a good code of "SONY....D21" so the ones I got are OK. That prob. explains why my Sonys are working good in the 3575, same as yours.

Looks like a person will have to check some/all Sonys in a computer to be sure?... or better yet, just get Verbatim or TY Premium and be done with it!

Originally, I could get Verbatim DVD+RWs from Sams Club, and they worked fine. Now the only DVD+RW at Sams is the Sony, which is the reason I switched. The only local chain where I have spotted Verbatim DVD+RW is OfficeMax and they only stock Jewel Box 10 packs which are quite a bit more expensive than the spindle ones from Sams Club.
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You can also identify dvd media codes thru programs like Nero 6. It will also give you the firmware level for your burner etc.
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The 3576 is becoming available now. Here's some info/links:

Sam's Club Stores has them for $249.
For online, Google Checkout, $300-350, CompSource has some in stock.

Manual.
Support.
Remote for both units $7.60.
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I've been doing a little research on the 1366x768 "dark pic" problem and the fact that virtually all the people with that problem have 1366x768 TVs (even tho some might be advertised as 720p). It seems the 3575 doesn't play well with the 768 res of these TVs when using HDMI.

I found this Engadget article. The author disusses that "odd" TV/video format and explains how that res derived from computer use and hangs on even today in displays meant for TV.

One sentence in the article that might mean something to owners of those 1366x768 TVs... it seems to indicate there might be a setting in them that configures them for computer use or normal TV overscan:

"There are some TVs that have the ability to turn this off, they call it "computer" mode others call it a 1:1 pixel map."

I'm wondering if some 1366x768 displays might be factory-set for "computer mode" but it can be changed to "TV mode" or vice versa, or something along those lines.

The forum entry below also has some interesting stuff about this res. I hope Stephen Neal doesn't mind me including his entire post:

"Stephen Neal 10-11-2005, 11:29 AM

The reason 1366x768 has been used instead of 1280x720 is the existing 1024x768 4:3 "VGA"-style PC standard, which is a common LCD monitor resolution (particularly for 15" flat panels)

If you take 1024x768 and scale it to 16:9, you end up with 1366x768, effectively retainining the same image height and just adding an extra 2:9 strip each side of the existing 12:9 image (aka 4:3)

I think the logic is that some PC software is optimised for 1024x768 screens - so retaining that height and adding more columns horizontally retains this compatibility. Reducing the image height by adopting 720 rows - which is not a common 4:3 resolution format - would be more of a problem.

How relevant this is in reality I don't know - but you'll see a lot of LCDs are based on stretched 4:3 "VGA" resolutions (by "VGA" - I mean VGA, SVGA, XVGA etc.)

As others have posted - DLPs, because they are designed primarily for HDTV video, are 1280x720 - and some plasmas and LCDs are also now based around 720 or 1080 rows, but many LCDs and some plasmas are still based around 768 rows - belying a PC heritage.

The potential issue with 768 lines is how high quality a 720->768 scaling is implemented by the screen when fed video."
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Are you sure the "dark-picture" flaw in the 3575 is confined to it's HDMI performance with 720p displays, only. Has no one else reported this flaw when using the 3575 with a 1080 display via HDMI?

Anyone?

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I don't think there's any mystery at all to the "dark picture" problem. I think all the reports are explained by the normal occurence of mismatched base black levels between the +7.5 IRE vs. 0 IRE analog or +15 vs. 0 digital levels (otherwise known as "standard" and "enhanced" black level). I have no problem on my 768p plasma TV, once the black levels are correctly set.

Philips could explain this better in their manual, and I think one of their default choices on the 3575 is wrong, but all can be easily corrected with a little understanding of black level controls on the TV and DVD player.
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On my 768 LCD I could "just barley" get the black level acceptable if I cranked the brightness basically all the way up and my contrast down. The contrast was still not to my liking, which is the main reason I returned this really handy DVDR.
It could be the differences between PC black levels and home AV equipment black levels but I could not adjust the 3575 to an acceptable output. My Panny EZ-28 on the other hand has all kinds of adjustments for black level but I haven't had to touch them since default seems to be just fine. Like any of my other DVD recorders or players.
I'm curious if people what have TV's that like the Philips output if they display a washed out picture when playing say a Panny or Sony player/recorder. If so it would sure point to black level incompatibility.
BTW I'd like to hear a few more complaints about the black level on the 3576 before we compare it to the 3575, but true it's not a good sign.
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Actually you're right I didn't take it back, I gave it to him and he is having no problem on his 20" Vizio LCD. "returned" was a bad choice of words. I was just returning(actually exchanging) so many Panny EZ's I got returned on my mind. I should have said "got rid of"
Note for what it's worth the Vizio he has also has a VGA computer input and many people use it for PC use, so maybe the black levels of the 3575 are more PC like?? Just guessing.
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Actually you're right I didn't take it back, I gave it to him and he is having no problem on his 20" Vizio LCD. "returned" was a bad choice of words. I was just returning(actually exchanging) so many Panny EZ's I got returned on my mind. I should have said "got rid of"

Sorry, I deleted my post to make sure I knew what I had read. You cleared it up!

I remember when you wrote that he was loving his 3575 and you could have his Panny ES30 and ES15 back.
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That link is still true, I hardly ever get calls from him asking questions about the 3575, with the Pannys he was always calling in a panic. I remember once he bought a spindle of +R (I think Memorex) discs by mistake. I would get a call almost every time he used them and had issues he finally stopped using them but kept them. He's been using what's left of them in the 3575 and hasn't had a problem. I did warn him about the "Memo-wrecks" discs though. I told him to get the Verbs. which are also at his favorite store, Sams.
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Note for what it's worth the Vizio he has also has a VGA computer input and many people use it for PC use, so maybe the black levels of the 3575 are more PC like?? Just guessing.

That's what I'm trying to find out. As my post above indicated, one Engadget writer mentioned:

"There are some TVs that have the ability to turn this off, they call it "computer" mode others call it a 1:1 pixel map."

I repeated it here cuz I'd like to see if anyone with a dark pic and 720p (768p) TV (usually 32" and below) can find any such setting and, if so, what does switching that setting do to the 3575 TV pic.
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Are you sure the "dark-picture" flaw in the 3575 is confined to it's HDMI performance with 720p displays, only. Has no one else reported this flaw when using the 3575 with a 1080 display via HDMI?

Anyone?

I did on my Sony 40W3000 LCD on 1080p using HDMi. I have had three different 3575's and only one was dark. The first two were Jan 08 and then Dec 07 and they both were fine, no dark picture. I returned them because of the tuner problem. I bought July 07 from the outlet and the picture was very dark (and the same tuner problem). I tried all the settings and resolutions on the 3575 without change. I did not adjust the TV because it is fine with everything else. It went back and I'm waiting for the replacement.

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Are you sure the "dark-picture" flaw in the 3575 is confined to it's HDMI performance with 720p displays, only. Has no one else reported this flaw when using the 3575 with a 1080 display via HDMI?

Anyone?

For what it's worth, I got it equally on both my 720p plasma and my 32" CRT, using all possible connections and output resolutions.

No such issue with any of my other standalone digital tuners on any sets.
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With the 3575 and my 768 plasma, I tried all combinations of the 3575 settings, the TV's settings, HDMI, component, and s-video. All were darker than the source (OTA) to one degree or another, but the HDMI was the worst of the 3. I could better compensate for the darkness in component or s-video outputs than by HDMI.
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For what it's worth, I got it equally on both my 720p plasma and my 32" CRT, using all possible connections and output resolutions.

No such issue with any of my other standalone digital tuners on any sets.

This is a real shame and I'm very disappointed. Seems like a total crap-shoot with these units. Some are fine others are not -- an example of chinese manufacturing at it's finest. There is either no QC on Philips part or they have lost control of the chinese who are doing what they do best and unilaterally substituting the cheapest components they can find to reduce their costs and boost their margins.

The tuner problems didn't seem to impact me since I'm OTA, but the random chance of getting a unit with the black level issue, or with less than satisfactory PQ as reported by others are serving to take the 3775 off the table for me. The early report that the 3576 may have the same black level issue is not encouraging

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For what it's worth, I don't think I ever posted this before? but when I first got my 3575 the first night I didn't "notice" the dark problem. It was only later when I was playing around with the various output resolutions when after making a change to the output resolution the picture blanked out(like it does when changing resolutions) and it came back way dark. I tried going back to the previous resolution as well as every other adjustment in the 3575 but I could never get rid of the dark PQ without severely adjusting the brightness/contrast of my TV. It's almost like it was ok at first but then something happened.
Again I'm sure if was ok that first day(at least I didn't notice anything odd) but then the second day it got dark? I don't know, maybe I should give the 3576 another shot, but I've got so many analog Panny's I was planing on using with a CECB's That HDD would be nice though....but then their's the TR-50 with true HD
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Jjeff, we can have the best of both worlds. Wait for the TR-50. The cycle of the 3576 is just starting and it will be around for a year. That gives us a chance to see what the TR-50 can do and gives time for all the bugs to get reported on the 3576. Then we can make an informed decision.

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According to jjeff in another thread, Echostar has delayed the TR50 launch until September (TR40 in June) and, with their recent loss... again... to TIVO on their patent infringement appeal, I've just realized what the "TR" stands for... TIVO Recorder cuz it'll be theirs when all is said and done, so they just said, WTH, just use "TR" and get it over with!
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I bought a “factory renewed” 3575 from the Philips online outlet store about a month ago. The digital tuner output is dark, period. There’s been a lot of misdirection in these forums about certain connections causing the problem. I’ve only used the composite, S-video and analog component outputs and they are all equally dark. The analog tuner and any recordings made through the E1 line input have normal black levels compared to every other piece of av equipment I have ever used.

Don’t get me wrong, so far the 3575 is quite a bargain and this black level issue is manageable with appropriate adjustment of contrast/brightness on the TV, something I normally do with every channel change with DirecTV. But the amount of change required with the 3575 is way beyond anything I’ve seen before.

This black level problem led me to discover a setting on my TV that I had pretty much forgotten about. The component input has a setting of either DVD or DTV and the manual doesn’t say any more than that. While viewing a digital channel on the Philips it became clear that the DTV setting raised the black level some and it ends up I need less brightness boost than on the DVD setting, but still more than all other inputs.

I imagine more modern TV sets have some control over black level. I know I will seek that feature when I get my next TV as the 3575 sure can use it.
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steve, are you using the 3575 tuner to receive OTA digital or QAM digital.

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steve, are you using the 3575 tuner to receive OTA digital or QAM digital.

OTA digital.
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This may be a oft repeated question but I couldnt get an answer on this one. which of these these models are a good replacement to a DVR box supplied by any of the cable companies (Scientific Atlanta series or Motorola series)?

Im looking to cut the cable cost and found most of the providers charge rental and service fee for the DVRs.

1. can they record more than one channel at a time?
2. does it have the ability to pick up channel schedules?
3. does it have the capability to record premium (paid) channels?

I know Wajo has done an awesome job in summarizing the features for these models, but i couldnt find answers for these qns.
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This may be a oft repeated question but I couldnt get an answer on this one. which of these these models are a good replacement to a DVR box supplied by any of the cable companies (Scientific Atlanta series or Motorola series)?

Im looking to cut the cable cost and found most of the providers charge rental and service fee for the DVRs.

1. can they record more than one channel at a time?
2. does it have the ability to pick up channel schedules?
3. does it have the capability to record premium (paid) channels?

I know Wajo has done an awesome job in summarizing the features for these models, but i couldnt find answers for these qns.

1. No
2. No
3. No (Assuming they are scrambled, which would be expected)
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3576 becoming available now at Sam's Club, $248.28.

Click here for a page to find a local Sam's Club tel. # and ask about order/inventory for their stock # 125924.

Note: Sam's item #125924 provided by Member based on inquiry at store as to inventory and availability.
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A lady friend bought a Phillips DVDR-3575H/37 at my suggestion but says she can't figure out how to view digital channels, do chase playback and do commercial skip which I told her she should be able to do.

I can't go over to her home for the next few weeks to read her manual and help her since I'm sick and don't want to pass the sickness over to her. Searching this thread I see mention of doing these functions but not the exact procedures on how to initiate them.

For instance with the digital channels, Tru TV in our area is on analog channel 19 and digital channel 119. Since it is a free analog channel, shouldn't she be able to tune it in on digital channel 119 also? Does she have to do an automatic channel scan before she can?

So could some kind soul please post step-by-step procedures to do these 3 functions? If too time consuming, how about 3 people tackling one function each?

Thanks much,
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There are 26 subjects you can pick and choose, and all the items you mentioned are covered in one of the subjects. It's the first post in this Sticky thread.

Just click my signature for a list of subjects, which link to the procedure or other helpful info.

Oops, Commercial Skip times are set in the Setup > General Settings > Playback menu but she can use the default settings (30 sec fwd and 30 sec back) for now if she wants until you get better. She then uses the Skip and Replay buttons to skip fwd and back.
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There are 26 subjects you can pick and choose, and all the items you mentioned are covered in one of the subjects. It's the first post in this Sticky thread.

Just click my signature for a list of subjects, which link to the procedure or other helpful info.

Hi wajo:

First, thanks for starting this valuable thread. I already checked your table of contents on page-1 and viewed the links but was not able to find step-by-steps. For example to do a commercial skip on my Panasonic EH100 DVDR the step-by-step procedure is:

- While viewing a playback, press the COMMERCIAL SKIP button.
- The playback will skip forward one minute for each press of the button.

Very simple but I don't know if the 3575 works exactly like this. Plus I thought I read that it is possible to select the number of minutes to skip. My Panasonic DVDR does not have that option.

Thanks for any help. Also, please realize that I am sick and with my headache, I don't have the stamina to stay on my computer and go through so many pages of searching for the answers like I normally can.

If some folks can take the time to list the steps, it will be great. If it is too much bother, I understand and will wait until I am well enough to go to her home and read her manual and figure it out.

Thanks,
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Yes, the Skip procedure is the same. You can set the skip amount in the Setup > General Settings > Playback menu. Click on Variable Skip / Replay and select one of five options from 5 sec to 5 minutes for each skip (fwd/replay).

Here's the basic procedure (more details when needed) from Subject 11 for Auto Scanning for channels, which she'll need to do first:

Doing an Initial Auto Channel Preset (Scan) for Channels

To do an auto-preset, go to the Setup > General Setting > Channel > Auto Channel Preset menu and select either the OTA or the Cable (Analog/Digital) option, depending on how you receive your TV signal. Cable subscribers should select Analog/Digital even if they only subscribe to analog cable service... there are usually some digital channels in the analog feed that the 3575 can tune, and many will be downrezzed SD versions of an HD channel (with brilliant PQ that might hurt your eyes... be careful!).

Let it auto-preset for its 125 analog channels (~2 min.) and 135 digital channels (~20 min.). Analog channels will tune quickly and you'll see them on the TV as they scan in, but digital channels can take up to 10 sec each to scan and they don't appear on the TV during the scan.

Recovering from a Frozen Digital Channel Scan

If your auto-scan freezes on a digital channel, remember the offending channel number. First try stopping the scan with the Setup button; screen should eventually go blue. Switch to analog tuner. If that doesn't stop the scan, pull the power cord. Replace the screw on coax with a push-on type so you can remove it quickly during the next scan.

Turn unit on and do another Auto Channel Preset. Just before the scan reaches the bad digital channel, pull the coax and let the scan complete w/o the coax.

Note: Don't think anyone's tried replugging the coax AFTER passing the problem channel and letting the scan complete with coax on... if fast enough, you might not have to manually search for digital channels above the "sticky" one?

Chase Play (basics only)

Chase play allows you to watch a show from its beginning while it's still being recorded on the HDD. The recording needs a 3 sec. buffer before you can chase-play it, and you can only chase PLAY to within 3 sec. of the live show. That 3-sec. is the buffer needed for the HDD to write to the HDD.

With a manual or timer recording in progress, press PLAY and start watching from the beginning until you catch up to within 3-sec. of the live recording. You can also SKIP commercials, FF, etc except the ability for any fast-speed play/skip ends sooner, i.e., it only lets you PLAY when you get ~3-4 min. from the end.

You can stop the playback and return, press Play again and take up where your last playback ended. Whenever you stop the playback, the pic reverts to the live recording, so you'll lose the 3-sec. buffer of live show... it'll be in the recording, but your chase play will miss it.

When recording stops, the program is already saved on the HDD for watching again, dubbing to DVD, or deleting.

Be careful, if you press Stop twice, you'll stop both playback AND the recording!


Let's hope you get well soon!
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