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addition to klipsch 5.1 reference --> 7.1

I bought the Klipsch reference series for my home theater from Costco. I have 7.1 receive so looking to add 2 more speaker. any suggestion for speaker I can add. I have extra RC micro speaker. Can I use those or should I buy something else?
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Do you have a budget for the speakers?
You may want to consider upgrading the center (the most important speaker in a surround set) and front L/R (the current ones aren't really full range), pushing the displaced speakers to surround duty.
You'll probably have a bigger impact on your system replacing the subwoofer, center, then L/R, even if you don't add the extra speakers for 7.1.
Most streaming and discs optimize for 5.1 audio. The AVR may mix for 7.1, but surrounds get very little data to play relative to the front speakers.

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Do you have a budget for the speakers?
You may want to consider upgrading the center (the most important speaker in a surround set) and front L/R (the current ones aren't really full range), pushing the displaced speakers to surround duty.
You'll probably have a bigger impact on your system replacing the subwoofer, center, then L/R, even if you don't add the extra speakers for 7.1.
Most streaming and discs optimize for 5.1 audio. The AVR may mix for 7.1, but surrounds get very little data to play relative to the front speakers.
I can spend few hundred but not looking to spend more than that. the room is not that big it's about 15ft wide and 20 ft long. What would you recommend?
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I bought the Klipsch reference series for my home theater from Costco. I have 7.1 receive so looking to add 2 more speaker. any sugestion for speaker I can add. I have extra RC micro speaker. Can I use those or should I buy something else?
Yes you can use those RC Micro's.
Hopefully your room allows for a perfect 7.1 set up. where you sit kinda between the sides and rears.
7.1 is really really cool with a good receiver that mixes the 5 to 7. Marantz does, what do you have? My Marantz even makes TV show 5.1 sound cool in 7.1.
A great actual 7.1 recent movie is The Accountant.
You could also get 2 more of those Klipsch speakers, that would be ideal too.
Of course getting even bigger Klipsch Left, Center, and Right and moving those current Left and Right to rear would be a future goal that would work too.

Music, more music.
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Out of curiosity, what AV receiver are you using? I ask because I'd like to try to determine the minimum impedance that it's rated for.

If you look at the spec sheet for this speaker set, I'd say that their small size really limits their capability.
https://f072605def1c9a5ef179-a0bc3fb...Spec-Sheet.pdf

Fortunately, you should be able to get improvements without spending a lot of money.
Monoprice and Dayton Audio offer budget speakers that cut some corners to give you a very low price while still sounding somewhere between "not bad" and "good"
https://www.audioholics.com/tower-sp...p-t65rt-mk442t
https://www.audioholics.com/bookshel...eviews/mp-65rt
https://www.audioholics.com/bookshel...d-mk442-review

For < $100, you could replace the front and center speakers with a Monoprice set of 2xMP-65RT bookshelf + 1xMP-C65RT as your LCR, and use your existing 4 speakers as surrounds in a 7.1 setup.
With Dayton Audio, they do have inexpensive options similar to monoprice, but some are out of stock. 2xB652-AIR + C452-AIR as your LCR, using existing speakers as surrounds.
The drawback on these is that their power handling is very low, but they'd still probably take anything that you threw at the Klipsch satellites.
At these prices, I might have suggested just replacing all the speakers, but I'm going to suggest you break your budget on a subwoofer later on.

Dayton also has the ones mentioned in the audioholic articles, which cost a bit more. The MK402X bookshelf and MK442 "center" (it can also be paired to make bookshelf speakers).
The audioholic article likes the MK442, but as a L/R pair, and not as a center channel(!).
These speakers have the problem that their impedance is only 4ohms, and some AVRs aren't rated to handle them.
Please verify the minimum impedance of your AVR before considering these.

I suggest these inexpensive speaker options because you really c/w/should replace the subwoofer, which would cost a bit more to deal with.
The one in the kit is not really very effective, but then again, it's not poorly matched with the satellite speakers it came with.
PartsExpress has several "good" budget subwoofers (you can also check out the budget subwoofer thread in the subwoofer forum) ranging from $150-$250:
The Dayton SUB-1200 and SUB-1500, and BIC F-12 and H-100ii are some popular models that should outperform the Klipsch one, and match up reasonably well with the speakers mentioned before.
If you'd like to see some thoughts on some of them, this comparison may help
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/r...get-subwoofer/

You could go higher end on the subs, but it would totally overwhelm your speakers, so a mix of some of these should get you an improvement over what you have, with room to grow easily later.

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Do you have a budget for the speakers?
You may want to consider upgrading the center (the most important speaker in a surround set) and front L/R (the current ones aren't really full range), pushing the displaced speakers to surround duty.
You'll probably have a bigger impact on your system replacing the subwoofer, center, then L/R, even if you don't add the extra speakers for 7.1.
Most streaming and discs optimize for 5.1 audio. The AVR may mix for 7.1, but surrounds get very little data to play relative to the front speakers.
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Out of curiosity, what AV receiver are you using? I ask because I'd like to try to determine the minimum impedance that it's rated for.

If you look at the spec sheet for this speaker set, I'd say that their small size really limits their capability.
https://f072605def1c9a5ef179-a0bc3fb...Spec-Sheet.pdf

Fortunately, you should be able to get improvements without spending a lot of money.
Monoprice and Dayton Audio offer budget speakers that cut some corners to give you a very low price while still sounding somewhere between "not bad" and "good"
https://www.audioholics.com/tower-sp...p-t65rt-mk442t
https://www.audioholics.com/bookshel...eviews/mp-65rt
https://www.audioholics.com/bookshel...d-mk442-review

For < $100, you could replace the front and center speakers with a Monoprice set of 2xMP-65RT bookshelf + 1xMP-C65RT as your LCR, and use your existing 4 speakers as surrounds in a 7.1 setup.
With Dayton Audio, they do have inexpensive options similar to monoprice, but some are out of stock. 2xB652-AIR + C452-AIR as your LCR, using existing speakers as surrounds.
The drawback on these is that their power handling is very low, but they'd still probably take anything that you threw at the Klipsch satellites.
At these prices, I might have suggested just replacing all the speakers, but I'm going to suggest you break your budget on a subwoofer later on.

Dayton also has the ones mentioned in the audioholic articles, which cost a bit more. The MK402X bookshelf and MK442 "center" (it can also be paired to make bookshelf speakers).
The audioholic article likes the MK442, but as a L/R pair, and not as a center channel(!).
These speakers have the problem that their impedance is only 4ohms, and some AVRs aren't rated to handle them.
Please verify the minimum impedance of your AVR before considering these.

I suggest these inexpensive speaker options because you really c/w/should replace the subwoofer, which would cost a bit more to deal with.
The one in the kit is not really very effective, but then again, it's not poorly matched with the satellite speakers it came with.
PartsExpress has several "good" budget subwoofers (you can also check out the budget subwoofer thread in the subwoofer forum) ranging from $150-$250:
The Dayton SUB-1200 and SUB-1500, and BIC F-12 and H-100ii are some popular models that should outperform the Klipsch one, and match up reasonably well with the speakers mentioned before.
If you'd like to see some thoughts on some of them, this comparison may help
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/r...get-subwoofer/

You could go higher end on the subs, but it would totally overwhelm your speakers, so a mix of some of these should get you an improvement over what you have, with room to grow easily later.
Thank you so much for the details responded. my receiver is Pioneer VSX 50. Do you think I should keep the system or buy individual speaker and subwoofer. I have not used it at all, can return it at Costco.

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In my opinion, you should return the bundle to Costco. For the price I see at Costco I think you can do better than that.
I'm assuming that you already own the Pioneer VSX-50 and that it will be the AV receiver.

You said that you could spend "a few hundred" for the other speakers. I'll assume that was on top of the Klipsch set at Costco.
I'll guesstimate an $800 ceiling, and try to stay under (but no promises! ). At that budget, you can skip over the entry-level stuff from Monoprice and Dayton discussed before.

For about the same as the Klipsch set, you can get 2 pairs of Polk R150 bookshelves and 1x Polk S30 Center, all refurbished, at accessories4less, then add a budget subwoofer like the Dayton SUB-1200 (unfortunately not in stock now)
This would outperform the Klipsch set (by a large margin), and then you're back to looking for 2 more speakers.

Fortunately there are sales on Jamo speakers on Slickdeals
https://slickdeals.net/f/14073659-ja...archBarV2Algo1
https://slickdeals.net/f/14123387-pa...archBarV2Algo1
https://slickdeals.net/f/14051423-ja...archBarV2Algo1
If you're OK with the Walnut color up front, you could use a Jamo S 83 center, and a pair of S 803 bookshelves (or S 807 towers or S 809 towers as L/R, depending on final budget).
You could still keep the 4 refurbished Polks as surrounds, and the Dayton sub. That's a high performing 7.1 system for < $100 more than the Klipsch 5.1 set. Mission accomplished!

However, if you want max performance for a tiny bit over my guesstimated budget, replace the Dayton sub with an open-box Monoprice Monolith 10" ported sub (there's one there as I'm typing).
At almost 3x the price of the Dayton, it's absolutely worth it. The resulting 7.1 system costs less than 2x the Klipsch 5.1 set, and there would be no comparing them.

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Do you think this one is better? it's for 549 on slickdeals.

https://www.adorama.com/ja1064578k2....ce=rflaid62905

I do have Polkaudio PSW10 110 V subwoofer from the previous system.


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In my opinion, you should return the bundle to Costco. For the price I see at Costco I think you can do better than that.
I'm assuming that you already own the Pioneer VSX-50 and that it will be the AV receiver.

You said that you could spend "a few hundred" for the other speakers. I'll assume that was on top of the Klipsch set at Costco.
I'll guesstimate an $800 ceiling, and try to stay under (but no promises! ). At that budget, you can skip over the entry-level stuff from Monoprice and Dayton discussed before.

For about the same as the Klipsch set, you can get 2 pairs of Polk R150 bookshelves and 1x Polk S30 Center, all refurbished, at accessories4less, then add a budget subwoofer like the Dayton SUB-1200 (unfortunately not in stock now)
This would outperform the Klipsch set (by a large margin), and then you're back to looking for 2 more speakers.

Fortunately there are sales on Jamo speakers on Slickdeals
https://slickdeals.net/f/14073659-ja...archBarV2Algo1
https://slickdeals.net/f/14123387-pa...archBarV2Algo1
https://slickdeals.net/f/14051423-ja...archBarV2Algo1
If you're OK with the Walnut color up front, you could use a Jamo S 83 center, and a pair of S 803 bookshelves (or S 807 towers or S 809 towers as L/R, depending on final budget).
You could still keep the 4 refurbished Polks as surrounds, and the Dayton sub. That's a high performing 7.1 system for < $100 more than the Klipsch 5.1 set. Mission accomplished!

However, if you want max performance for a tiny bit over my guesstimated budget, replace the Dayton sub with an open-box Monoprice Monolith 10" ported sub (there's one there as I'm typing).
At almost 3x the price of the Dayton, it's absolutely worth it. The resulting 7.1 system costs less than 2x the Klipsch 5.1 set, and there would be no comparing them.
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Do you think this one is better? it's for $549 on slickdeals. or start building system buy 2 front and center first and then rest of the item when they go on sale?

https://www.adorama.com/ja1064578k2....ce=rflaid62905

I do have Polkaudio PSW10 110 V subwoofer from the previous system.


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In my opinion, you should return the bundle to Costco. For the price I see at Costco I think you can do better than that.
I'm assuming that you already own the Pioneer VSX-50 and that it will be the AV receiver.

You said that you could spend "a few hundred" for the other speakers. I'll assume that was on top of the Klipsch set at Costco.
I'll guesstimate an $800 ceiling, and try to stay under (but no promises! ). At that budget, you can skip over the entry-level stuff from Monoprice and Dayton discussed before.

For about the same as the Klipsch set, you can get 2 pairs of Polk R150 bookshelves and 1x Polk S30 Center, all refurbished, at accessories4less, then add a budget subwoofer like the Dayton SUB-1200 (unfortunately not in stock now)
This would outperform the Klipsch set (by a large margin), and then you're back to looking for 2 more speakers.

Fortunately there are sales on Jamo speakers on Slickdeals
https://slickdeals.net/f/14073659-ja...archBarV2Algo1
https://slickdeals.net/f/14123387-pa...archBarV2Algo1
https://slickdeals.net/f/14051423-ja...archBarV2Algo1
If you're OK with the Walnut color up front, you could use a Jamo S 83 center, and a pair of S 803 bookshelves (or S 807 towers or S 809 towers as L/R, depending on final budget).
You could still keep the 4 refurbished Polks as surrounds, and the Dayton sub. That's a high performing 7.1 system for < $100 more than the Klipsch 5.1 set. Mission accomplished!

However, if you want max performance for a tiny bit over my guesstimated budget, replace the Dayton sub with an open-box Monoprice Monolith 10" ported sub (there's one there as I'm typing).
At almost 3x the price of the Dayton, it's absolutely worth it. The resulting 7.1 system costs less than 2x the Klipsch 5.1 set, and there would be no comparing them.
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For the price, I think it's a much better system than the tiny speakers from the Klipsch system.
I also think it would be better than the refurbished Polk speakers I discussed before.
The Jamo and Polk subs aren't great, but there a start. You could try to use the together, but don't expect too much.
If you sell off the 2 subs you could search the budget subwoofer thread for replacements
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...-300-less.html
and consider the Dayton SUB-1200 or BIC F12, H-100ii or PL-200ii

If you sell them off and are willing to stretch your budget a bit, you're really close to the much more powerful Monolith 10" or SVS PB-1000.

IMHO, at these prices, get a complete set of speakers and enjoy them now. They're good enough to enjoy, and inexpensive enough that you won't regret replacing them when better deals come up.
If you can sell off the subs, get a better one ASAP. The budget subs are cheap enough, but you'll want to get one of the $500 subs. You can test with the PB-1000 with their return policy or at BB, and if it's what you want, reward their flexible return policy by keeping it, or roll the dice on the Monolith (or another sub).


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Do you think this one is better? it's for $549 on slickdeals. or start building system buy 2 front and center first and then rest of the item when they go on sale?

https://www.adorama.com/ja1064578k2....ce=rflaid62905

I do have Polkaudio PSW10 110 V subwoofer from the previous system.
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