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I was at the theater for the first time in about six years.

The sound positioning behind the screen while sitting in the front row was an amazing experience.

So Instead of a 150" 16:9, I was thinking a 120" AT trying the sprayed SILVER.

Will a pressure treated 4x4 beveled like a Stewart Luxus support a width of 104" without any bow? The OP's screen uses center braces at only 96". I don't want to risk seeing shadows.
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I don't think you have to worry about shadows as long as the supports are painted dark and set back a little ways. You can't light-up something back there that doesn't reflect light.

Easy $25 DIY black (or any color) ALR paint +$40-$50sprayer screen mix smooth/clean and very easy to learn spraying with little/no mess.
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I was at the theater for the first time in about six years.

The sound positioning behind the screen while sitting in the front row was an amazing experience.

So Instead of a 150" 16:9, I was thinking a 120" AT trying the sprayed SILVER.
Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure once you paint an accoustically transparent material, it loses that AT characteristic.

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Or you could use black spandex as the back layer and you won't need to paint the supports
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I recessed the two center supports a half inch as per recommendations on here and do not see any shadows. I painted the supports flat black just in case there was an issue and am fine. I used white over light silver milliskin spandex.
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Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure once you paint an accoustically transparent material, it loses that AT characteristic.
If you put around 2 or 3 duster coats of SILVER, just enough to see a slight color.change, MM said you can go from 0.8 gain to 1.2 and still retain AT.
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If you put around 2 or 3 duster coats of SILVER, just enough to see a slight color.change, MM said you can go from 0.8 gain to 1.2 and still retain AT.
I stand corrected.

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What material should I ise for a frame for removable masking?
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getting ready to take the AT plunge as well.. I can get a 135" AT fixed frame screen with nice velvet borders for $469 and wondering just how much cheaper the DIY option would be.. I'd be using the Kreg pocket hole system to join the boards so I won't need brackets but had planned on using the screen tight spline to attach the screen.

135" 16:9 screen and I figured 3 yards for each layer since it would need to stretch about 8-12" in each direction. let's call it $65 shipped.

If I did a frame with 2 internal supports I'm looking at around 42' lf of boards for the frame. 1x4x10 poplar (assuming I can find straight pieces) is $19 at the local HD or I could get 1x4x8 fjp boards for $8 and would have to join 2 of them for the horizontal spans. if I went the poplar route, that's about $95 and the fjp would be about $48.

The screen tight is $3.75 for a 96" section so I'm looking at 3-4 of those for the perimeter depending on scrap pieces. that's $15. another $8 for the spline and $4 for the tool. call it $30 for spline/tight/tool.

that takes me to $145-$195 depending on the wood and still needing the velvet. I figure 4 yards of velvet cut into 5-6" strips and wrapped around the frame so I'm looking at around $35 for the velvet boarder.

so the grand total would be around $180-$230. does that sound about right? any glaring omissions or mistakes?

thanks all..
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getting ready to take the AT plunge as well.. I can get a 135" AT fixed frame screen with nice velvet borders for $469 and wondering just how much cheaper the DIY option would be.. I'd be using the Kreg pocket hole system to join the boards so I won't need brackets but had planned on using the screen tight spline to attach the screen.

135" 16:9 screen and I figured 3 yards for each layer since it would need to stretch about 8-12" in each direction. let's call it $65 shipped.

If I did a frame with 2 internal supports I'm looking at around 42' lf of boards for the frame. 1x4x10 poplar (assuming I can find straight pieces) is $19 at the local HD or I could get 1x4x8 fjp boards for $8 and would have to join 2 of them for the horizontal spans. if I went the poplar route, that's about $95 and the fjp would be about $48.

The screen tight is $3.75 for a 96" section so I'm looking at 3-4 of those for the perimeter depending on scrap pieces. that's $15. another $8 for the spline and $4 for the tool. call it $30 for spline/tight/tool.

that takes me to $145-$195 depending on the wood and still needing the velvet. I figure 4 yards of velvet cut into 5-6" strips and wrapped around the frame so I'm looking at around $35 for the velvet boarder.

so the grand total would be around $180-$230. does that sound about right? any glaring omissions or mistakes?

thanks all..
I've been looking at this exact same project and here's what I got when I broke it down:

Screen Materials - Total = ~$175
2 - 1” x 4” x 10’ Kiln-Dried Poplar (top/bottom) $19ea - $40
4 - 1” x 3” x 6’ Kiln-Dried Poplar (sides) $11ea - $22
4 yards Matte Silver - $40

4 yards Matte White - $40

4 - 8' lengths of screen tight - $4ea - $16
50' screen spline - $7
spline tool - $4

Border Materials - Total = ~$85
3 - 3.25” x 12’ Primed MDF Base Moldign - $15ea - $45
4 yards Black Velvet - $7.75/yrd - $31 + Shipping



So I was around $260 or so using Poplar for the frame. Not sure what you were going to use for the wood for the black velvet frame. Also I would have guessed it would be safer to order 4 yards for each layer of spandex for a 135" screen. It would be nice if 3 would work.
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I've been looking at this exact same project and here's what I got when I broke it down:

Screen Materials - Total = ~$175
2 - 1” x 4” x 10’ Kiln-Dried Poplar (top/bottom) $19ea - $40
4 - 1” x 3” x 6’ Kiln-Dried Poplar (sides) $11ea - $22
4 yards Matte Silver - $40

4 yards Matte White - $40

4 - 8' lengths of screen tight - $4ea - $16
50' screen spline - $7
spline tool - $4

Border Materials - Total = ~$85
3 - 3.25” x 12’ Primed MDF Base Moldign - $15ea - $45
4 yards Black Velvet - $7.75/yrd - $31 + Shipping



So I was around $260 or so using Poplar for the frame. Not sure what you were going to use for the wood for the black velvet frame. Also I would have guessed it would be safer to order 4 yards for each layer of spandex for a 135" screen. It would be nice if 3 would work.
You'll stretch about 16% or 17 inches with 3 yards. If this is a 16:9, vertical stretch is at least 20". So I'm assuming a scope screen?
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Mine cost about 185$ al said and done

Just made masks for the 1.85 content which was about another 40$
Well worth it to me the quality is amazing and you save 200$+
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You'll stretch about 16% or 17 inches with 3 yards. If this is a 16:9, vertical stretch is at least 20". So I'm assuming a scope screen?
Sorry should have been more specific. This is for a 16:9 screen. So 3 yards of each will do?

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So I had a Spandex DIY screen for a while and have moved on to something else, but for those cost cautious/sensitive, forget the screen tight & spline & tool. Just staple the damn thing. You're not going to try and remove it and save the material. If you want to change material, rip out the staples and do it again. I personally don't think it makes sense and doesn't make the install any easier.

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So I had a Spandex DIY screen for a while and have moved on to something else, but for those cost cautious/sensitive, forget the screen tight & spline & tool. Just staple the damn thing. You're not going to try and remove it and save the material. If you want to change material, rip out the staples and do it again. I personally don't think it makes sense and doesn't make the install any easier.

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Amen to all that.

I think a lot of it has to do with the installation seeming more neat & precise though....although by my reasoning the Screen Tight assembly also makes framing the Screen with Trim more difficult.

Having done Spandex, Blackout Cloth, and Flexi-White screens, all went together quickly and easily using a decent Overhand-style Stapler like the Power Shot Pro

..........the latter costing much less than the needed Screen Tight.

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well just to be devls advocate...we are only talking 18$ or so...

cheapest staple gun 10$

4 peices of screentight + spline = 28$

I just like the fact that If i didnt like the results of white over black I could easily remove the layers and start over easily rather than pull out 100 staples
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That is true, but then again, pulling Spandex as tightly as some must do, and incrementally at various positions around the Frame makes using Screen Tight a difficult do unless you have a extra hand in play. Also, when stapling, one can more easily and minutely correct for the variances in pull needed to avoid wrinkles.

Nothing wrong with Screen Tight....but you still must deal with issues that are non-existent using Staples. But....Vice Versa applies as well, so......
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does anyone have any shots of these milliskin DIY screens vs other cheaper screens like Silver Ticket or Elite? Which produces better results in both dark rooms and rooms with a little ambient light?
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Basically, asking for "Side by Side" comparisons between such examples is a pretty fruitless endeavor because no one possesses both at the same time, nor has any reason to compare them.

Peer review and posted experiences should suffice, along with some dosage of practicality.

You can buy a Silver Ticket, ready to assemble and hang, for a reasonable price, but your surface options and size parameters are limited, and no Silver Ticket offers acoustic transparency.

Spandex screens do offer AT use, and cost less.

At larger sizes, either White over Silver Gray Milliskin Spandex, or Silver Gray over White offer more Ambient light resistance than any Matte White Silver Ticket or Elite,(...and cost less...) and any Elite in a High Contrast Gray will cost proportionately more.

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I hate to counter MM, but Silver Ticket does have some models with "woven acoustic material".

From their site - The woven acoustic screen material allows speakers to be placed behind the viewing surface with no sound loss - the material is 1.0 gain with a wide viewing angle of 160°

The screens are relatively inexpensive but still more than a DIY.

For me nothing beats the feeling of looking at that screen you constructed yourself.
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Yea sorry about the request. I've decided on silver fire diy. I purchased the paints already
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I hate to counter MM, but Silver Ticket does have some models with "woven acoustic material".

From their site - The woven acoustic screen material allows speakers to be placed behind the viewing surface with no sound loss - the material is 1.0 gain with a wide viewing angle of 160°
Unless all 3 of those specifications are validated by 3rd party tests, they are to be called into question....especially the "No sound loss".

But yeah....I did not know they offered any AT options.

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getting ready to take the AT plunge as well.. I can get a 135" AT fixed frame screen with nice velvet borders for $469
Which manufacturer?
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Lets keep this a DIY solution , Guys.
Take yhis discussion over to Screens.

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Hello all-
After reading through the build I decided to take the plunge.
Read all 26 pages but I still have some questions... DIY is not in my blood I guess but I am trying...
Already built a 120 X 68 frame from pine.Have not ordered the screen material yet.
Frame is going to hang or have it supported (with 2x4) about 18" from the back wall.
Sub and Center Speaker will go behind the screen.
Room size is 27X13'. Fully light controlled.

Questions:
1. Is 3 yards enough for 120 X 68 size screen or do I need 4 yards?

2. Why do I need to buy 2 pieces of screen material? is it one for the front and other for the back to limit the reflection/bleeding from the back wall?

3. Is painting the back wall BLACK a good practice?

4. If I support the screen with 2x4's against the back wall should those 2x4's painted black?

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Questions:
1. Is 3 yards enough for 120 X 68 size screen or do I need 4 yards?

2. Why do I need to buy 2 pieces of screen material? is it one for the front and other for the back to limit the reflection/bleeding from the back wall?

3. Is painting the back wall BLACK a good practice?

4. If I support the screen with 2x4's against the back wall should those 2x4's painted black?
Thanks
After reading through 26pages, nobody can say you aren't dedicated.

1. 3yards should be good, you'll want it stretched a little and that sounds about perfect.

2. The two pieces will be up against eachother, touching. It both limits reflection/bleeding AND can help keep gain up if the back layer is white or silver.

3. Painting the back wall black will allow it to act like masking to allow you to overspill onto if needed and will also help make the image more immersive by getting rid of distractions around it. With a black wall you could even go borderless on your frame if you'd like..ultimate zero-edge.

4. Painting the supports will make sure they don't reflect or stand-out. It'll also look more professional.

Easy $25 DIY black (or any color) ALR paint +$40-$50sprayer screen mix smooth/clean and very easy to learn spraying with little/no mess.
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Thanks FToast.

Ordering "White matte milliskin" and "Silver matte milliskin. P/D".
These colors should be good right? or by any chance I would need "Black matte milliskin" too?
Thanks again.
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I got black for my back layaer and I LOVE it. Gives great black levels. Also gets rid of the need to paint the supports and frame black

What PJ are you using?
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