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Which formula for RS-MaxxMudd LL?

Im wanting to paint a screen that can be rolled on in my basement mancave an decided to try this one but through searching Ive found different varieties for the same thing and was wondering which one I should go with.

RS-MaxxMudd LL v.2(for lower lumen pj's and controlled light home theaters)

20 oz. Delta Pearl Metallic #02601
8 oz. Liquitex Basics Silver
12 oz. UPW flat

12 oz. Minwax Polycrylic - Satin finish
15 oz. distilled/tap water**

RS-MaxxMudd LL v.2.1
(for lower lumen pj's and controlled light home theaters)

20 oz. Rustoleum Metallic Accents - White Pearl
10 oz. Liquitex Basics Silver
12 oz. Behr 1850 Ultra Pure White - Flat

12 oz. Minwax Polycrylic - Satin finish
20 oz. distilled/tap water**

RS-MaxxMudd LL v.2.1
(for lower lumen pj's and controlled light home theaters)

20 oz. Rustoleum Metallic Accents White Pearl
10 oz. Rustoleum Metallic Accents Sterling Silver
12 oz. Behr 1850 Ultra Pure White - Flat

12 oz. Rustoleum's Ultimate Polyurethane Matte Finish (water based)
20 oz. distilled/tap water**
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RS-MaxxMudd LL v.2.1
(for lower lumen pj's and controlled light home theaters)

20 oz. Rustoleum Metallic Accents White Pearl
8 oz. Rustoleum Metallic Accents Sterling Silver
12 oz. Behr 1850 Ultra Pure White - Flat

12 oz. Rustoleum's Ultimate Polyurethane Matte Finish (water based)
20 oz. distilled/tap water**

This is the one to go with. The Silver must be reduced

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What do you mean by "silver must be reduced"? Not by adding paint thinner since its all water based, right? Just reduced to 8oz instead of the 10 oz I posted?
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What do you mean by "silver must be reduced"? Not by adding paint thinner since its all water based, right? Just reduced to 8oz instead of the 10 oz I posted?
That's what I posted. No mention of any Thinner.

The Rustoleum is a much darker Silver Metallic. You could leave it the same at 10 oz. without too much concern if your rolling technique is exemplary, but the reduction serves to decrease the chance that either roller marks or excessive reflectivity will result.

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Wonderful, The rustoleum metallics a avail locally but they only had enough of the silver to make 8oz via 2oz jars. So that works out.
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Behr 1850 is no longer available. It has been discontinued
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Behr 1850 is no longer available. It has been discontinued

Crap I was just about to say that. I went searching for it saturday and the guy at homedepot said that it had been discontinued. He recommended #1050 . Its the ultra pure white interior flat. So thats what I used.
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Crap I was just about to say that. I went searching for it saturday and the guy at homedepot said that it had been discontinued. He recommended #1050 . Its the ultra pure white interior flat. So thats what I used.
That'll work...although I myself prefer using the Interior Enamel version.

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What did I loose by going with the flat version??
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The enamel can add a tiny bit of "matte" sheen and some extra durability when used stand-alone. It may also smooth a little more as it dries I've heard.
The difference is small and the amount of Behr used in SF is small as well, it shouldn't make a visible obvious difference as long as your application is good.

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A bit less surface durability mostly, also since the Enamel dries harder it reflects light more effectively, therein the Enamel has a little more "reflective particle masking" potential.

Not to worry overmuch though, because the preponderance of Acrylic Paints and the Polyurethane all serve to strengthen the surface's resistance to being marred / scratched....after it has had time to sufficiently cure.


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Hah thanks guys. I painted it saturday and it looks way better than when it was just shining on whatever paint the walls were painted with which are a a light tanish/peachy color. I can tell a big difference in the blacks especcially. Way blacker now.

Before painting

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Now I'm impatiently waiting for the after-painting shot!
How long?

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Crap I was just about to say that. I went searching for it saturday and the guy at homedepot said that it had been discontinued. He recommended #1050 . Its the ultra pure white interior flat. So thats what I used.
At least your home depot guy was smart enough to tell you it was discontinued. Mine had no clue, I emailed Behr and confirmed it that way. Behr told me it had only been discontinued a week or two, so i called home depot to ask if they possibly still had some they hadnt sold yet, his exact response was "What is #1850 ? that number means nothing to me. We have behr with primer in it, thats it". I quickly said nevermind and hung up....
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Now I'm impatiently waiting for the after-painting shot!
How long?
So am I!

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Youll have to wait until I get off work. My work computer wont let me upload photos to photobucket to share
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Youll have to wait until I get off work. My work computer wont let me upload photos to photobucket to share
Why not skip photobucket altogether and just upload to avs? ..not so much for the impatience, but also because I hate clicking a thumbnail and getting taken to PB instead of a full-size image and because putting photos on-site means they'll still be here for folks to see in a decade regardless of PB's continued longevity or fate.

..but don't discount the impatience.

Easy $25 DIY black (or any color) ALR paint +$40-$50sprayer screen mix smooth/clean and very easy to learn spraying with little/no mess.
Simple $25-40 DIY black/dark-grey ambient-light rejecting screen, grab two things from a local store..mix..roll..done.
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Hmm Im new to the site so Ive always used photbucket for my image hosting. This pic I posted a few posts up was from photobucket. Ill upload directly to AVS since itll probably be faster.
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Some shots. I dont have the best camera, its just my galaxy s4. But theres with no lights on in the room then 2 with all lights and pj not on then pj on with all lights on, no lights and lights over couch and on tile side on.
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Well looks like uploading to avs causes thumbnails and photobucket put fullsize pics up.
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Actually you stopped too soon. There is one more step.

After you "attach" you copy the attachment's link and then you go to the icon with the Mountain/Sun that say's "Insert Image" when you cursor over it. Click and then paste the link into the window.

Bam.....

There ya go.

AVS now has virtually unlimited Cloud Storage. Used to was, back in the "2000's" the DIY Screen Forum members posted so many Hi Res screen shots we were gobbling up all the Forum's bandwidth and storage! Really! It was so bad, the then current Forum owners laid down an edict. NO MORE SCREEN SHOT ATTACHMENTS !!! OR ELSE !!!

What "OR ELSE"? We're talkin 3 Day "Vacations".....deleted Posts and Threads....

Funny thing was....only the DIY Screen Forum got whammed. And lemmie tell ya sumpthin'.....the Traffic on here was so intense, we were the busiest Forum on the Site. So yeah...we were high maintenance.

The Law having been laid down.....that started a rush to Photo Bucket, and other Off Site Image Hosts.


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Is that your Lady's Pony Tail, or your Mohawk in the last image?

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If your rolling went well (no rollermarks or problems), would you mind detailing your rolling techniques if any?
Things like pressure, direction, speed, how many passes over the same line, how much each line overlapped and how many coats..all that stuff.

I've read some good detailed instructions from MM, but I'm always interested in hearing how others get it done Justine case something a little different also happens to work.

Easy $25 DIY black (or any color) ALR paint +$40-$50sprayer screen mix smooth/clean and very easy to learn spraying with little/no mess.
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Sure, I put the pj on full to give me the biggest screen id ever get regardless of tv channel etc. Then went and marked a dot with a pencil 1/4" past the screen about a foot away for each other all the way around the screen to give it a nice tight border. Masked it with 1.5" frog tape. Used a 1/4" nap roller, the longer rollers not the 3" wide ones. I never loaded the roller up with a ton of paint so that it would be easier to do a light coat each time. I didnt use any pressure forcing the roller into the wall, just let it do its job. Speed Id say was a slower pace since I knew the paint was pretty thin(watery) and didnt want it flinging all over the carpet or ceiling. Close to a half roller overlap, I never ended a pass in the middle of the wall. After painting a section I went back and ran the roller edge to edge to make sure I didnt leave and marks from where I started or lifted the roller from the surface. First coat I rolled vertically, 2nd coat was side to side and this is when the wall was mostly covered with only a few small spots still showing the original wall. The last coat I did vertically again and the screen was now complete with no old wall paint showing. Waited 8 hours or so between 1st and 2nd coat and overnight for the last.

My dad does home remodeling and construction so Ive done a lot of wall painting with him growing up so I probably have more time behind a roller than most.
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https://www.homedepot.com/p/BEHR-PRE...5004/202761543

Is this the proper substitute now for the Behr paint?

I'm reading as many MAXXMUDD threads as I can right now....

Many years ago I started with a Panny AE100, then the AE500U, and now I'm on a AE4000

I had built a Polywall screen back in the day for the 500U, and was quite pleased with it (and all the help I got here many moons ago).

I've had my AE4000 on a tan/taupe wall since we moved in our new house about 8 years ago, and I just got WAF to paint a screen. I'm projecting about a 135" screen with a viewing distance of 14'

I was going to roll with this version....

RS-MaxxMudd LL v.2.5
(for lower lumen pj's and controlled light home theaters)

20 oz. Rustoleum Metallic Accents - White Pearl
10 oz. Rustoleum Metallic Accents - Silver
12 oz. Behr 1850 Ultra Pure White - Flat

14 oz. Rustoleum Ultimate Polyurethane - Matte Finish (water based)
20 oz. distilled/tap water**
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this is the only mix of the rs-maxxmudd family that can be rolled

should I be tweaking this to 8oz of silver or stick with this 10oz of silver?

Any help is appreciated and I hope I posted this in the most appropriate place....

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@PPatla ,


The Behr PP Ultra Pure White will work....the preferred one I suggest is PPG Diamond Flat, as it is of a bit higher Gain...and IMHO a better quality paint.


Dropping down to 8 oz Silver will effectively lighten the mix a bit because of it providing less Grey Base. That also makes it all the more friendly toward Rolling.


When rolling you want to use a a 3/8" Nap high quality Roller Cover, and a "free Spinning" Roller Wand. {Ball Bearing type is of course ideal...)


Load the roller, , express any excess off the ends of the Roller, then run your vertical passes starting from the Top on down to the Bottom. Only "Back Roll" once. Excessive back rolling will flatten the paint enough that the Mica particles will also flatten out and present too many flattened surfaces toward the viewer. A Sheen, or increased Angular Reflectivity and/or a increased loss of Viewing Cone can result.


The key Rolling elements are these..load the roller with just enough paint so it can make one vertical pass both directions....reload after each pass....but be sure to roll off any excessive build up. Work the forward leading wet edge by overlapping it by approx 2" to 3"


After your done, come back and relate your success or horror story. Spraying makes everything much simpler, more assured, and quicker overall. (...finished screen in 3 hours...)

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