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Bobbyc, will you be able to mount your projector/s farther back or will you still be mounting around 9.5ft back?
Yes, I can mount it farther back on the next truss. 2' or so further back
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Yes, I can mount it farther back on the next truss. 2' or so further back
Would it be easy enough for you to try it both close and then far, to see how bad the hotspotting gets for folks that would HAVE to ceiling-mount close?

Understandable if you can't, but I totally have to ask just in case.

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Material is in, frame is built. Might put it together tonight, but it will likely be a day or two.

Anyone have pointers on how to attach the screen to a frame-less design?
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Material is in, frame is built. Might put it together tonight, but it will likely be a day or two.

Anyone have pointers on how to attach the screen to a frame-less design?
Staples are the normal thing, but an AVSmember recently posted a total success using tarp clips and seven adjustable bungee cords, so that could be a really fast and adjustable way to go.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/110-di...arp-clips.html

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Material is in, frame is built. Might put it together tonight, but it will likely be a day or two.

Anyone have pointers on how to attach the screen to a frame-less design?
It depends on how you built the frame. Are you doing a border? I know edge-less is a little misleading sometimes thanks to SI.

If you are doing a small black border, it can be used to cover the staples on the edge. If not, you'll have to staple to the back of the frame. Which is not an issue but corners have to be done right to make a nice look. Don't be afraid to cut the material in the corners on the back side so it doesn't bunch up.

Do yourself a big favor and break all the edges that will come into contact with the screen material with some 100 grit sand paper or file. My flexiwhite ripped on an outside corner because I didn't break the edges.
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Staples are the normal thing, but an AVSmember recently posted a total success using tarp clips and seven adjustable bungee cords, so that could be a really fast and adjustable way to go.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/110-di...arp-clips.html

Yeah, I saw that, I bought some tarp clips to give it a shot (they were $1 each, so why not). I actually plan on stapling, but am a little nervous about the corners/bunching.
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It depends on how you built the frame. Are you doing a border? I know edge-less is a little misleading sometimes thanks to SI.

If you are doing a small black border, it can be used to cover the staples on the edge. If not, you'll have to staple to the back of the frame. Which is not an issue but corners have to be done right to make a nice look. Don't be afraid to cut the material in the corners on the back side so it doesn't bunch up.

Do yourself a big favor and break all the edges that will come into contact with the screen material with some 100 grit sand paper or file. My flexiwhite ripped on an outside corner because I didn't break the edges.

No border. I am not 100% sure if it will stretch all the way to the back since its 4 inches. If i end up stapling to the sides, I plan to buy the felt tape to cover the staples.

Will do on sanding the corners.
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My material arrives tonight. I am edgeless on my frame so I'll sand the edges or router them after work. I am not sure how the corner folding will work out. I also have to find that thread that tells you the order to staple around the frame.
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My material arrives tonight. I am edgeless on my frame so I'll sand the edges or router them after work. I am not sure how the corner folding will work out. I also have to find that thread that tells you the order to staple around the frame.
http://www.carlofet.com/images/howTo...-technique.png

This will give good results.

Essentially you're working from the middle out on all sides alternating sides every few staples.

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Well - frames built, screen mounted, ambilights on.

The. Screen. Is. Fantastic.

In the words of the picky wife "This is over the top - - the screen is too big - - but it looks really good."

I have the pics you guys asked for (45 and 90 degree - lights on/off) - will try to post them tomorrow. Fair warning though - I went cheap on the mount and it sucks, my picture is not 100% aligned (its ~95%). I have a peerless in the mail.

Spoiler: No hotspot that I can find (running 132 inch screen, sitting ~14.5ft away, projector on 'bright cinema'). No screen door. Loving it.
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Well - frames built, screen mounted, ambilights on.

The. Screen. Is. Fantastic.

In the words of the picky wife "This is over the top - - the screen is too big - - but it looks really good."

I have the pics you guys asked for (45 and 90 degree - lights on/off) - will try to post them tomorrow. Fair warning though - I went cheap on the mount and it sucks, my picture is not 100% aligned (its ~95%). I have a peerless in the mail.

Spoiler: No hotspot that I can find (running 132 inch screen, sitting ~14.5ft away, projector on 'bright cinema'). No screen door. Loving it.
Hi, I sanded my frame and stapled my material tonight too. I hope I got the correct side. My ALR material was practically identical on each side; however one side was slightly less glossy and that is the side I made the screen... if you look closely it almost has a very fine sandpaper type of look to it.

They shipped me the right material right? I was expecting it to be black on one side.
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Got the fabric stretched stapled and hung.
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Hi, I sanded my frame and stapled my material tonight too. I hope I got the correct side. My ALR material was practically identical on each side; however one side was slightly less glossy and that is the side I made the screen... if you look closely it almost has a very fine sandpaper type of look to it.

They shipped me the right material right? I was expecting it to be black on one side.
That's the right material. And yes you got the right side.
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Hey first time poster, long time looker...I'm looking to do something similar, but i'm not sure if my setup will be too close. I have a sample pack from Carl's and really like the ALR. Can anyone give me some insight. I have a Epson 8350. Distance from lens to screen: 10'1". Screen size i'm looking at is 100" I'm wondering if the ALR will work for me or if I should stay away because of the projector distance.
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Nice setup, this thread convinced me to go the ALR route also. I was thinking of a grey screen before.
probably the cheapest & easiest solution for an untreated room.

curious to see your photos of the screen "on" and from 45 degree as impulse suggested earlier.
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Alright all - here are all the screenies. Some of these I had the flash still on like a dummy, but you should get a pretty good idea. I tried to take a few different angles. Let me know if there are any others you are looking for.

**These are just from my phone, no calibrations/enhancements. 4 lights - all 60 watt turned on, plus the entry way light (3x 30 watt lights). Screen is on 'bright cinema' with no adjustments att all.
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Oops, forgot the one from the very far edge.
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Alright all - here are all the screenies. Some of these I had the flash still on like a dummy, but you should get a pretty good idea. I tried to take a few different angles. Let me know if there are any others you are looking for.

**These are just from my phone, no calibrations/enhancements. 4 lights - all 60 watt turned on, plus the entry way light (3x 30 watt lights). Screen is on 'bright cinema' with no adjustments att all.
Looks very promising for the price. Do you like how it looks in person? Any complaints yet?

If possible, could you take a lights-off picture with a sheet of paper hanging near the screen's center. One picture from your middle seat or behind it and one more toward the side of the seats would be great to get an idea of the screen's gain and off-axis dimming.

Easy $25 DIY black (or any color) ALR paint +$40-$50sprayer screen mix smooth/clean and very easy to learn spraying with little/no mess.
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Very nice, exactly what I'm looking for, ordered one. Thanks!
now I should decide if I go edgeless screen or black boarder, as I've heard people impression that a black boarder increase the illusion of greater contrast.
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Looks very promising for the price. Do you like how it looks in person? Any complaints yet?

If possible, could you take a lights-off picture with a sheet of paper hanging near the screen's center. One picture from your middle seat or behind it and one more toward the side of the seats would be great to get an idea of the screen's gain and off-axis dimming.

Love the screen. No complaints about it.

I will try to take some more pics tonight. I also have the Carls sample pack, so I will throw those up there as well.
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I found this material on Amazon yesterday and I am glad to see people have already started building screens with it. I think I'll be urchasing this material and building a screen based on the feedback from the early adopters!
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Here ya go - some more photos. A couple things I noticed:

The Pro White loses all the shadow detail on the Obi Wan photos
All the other ones wash out Darth Vadars face mask - he looks *MUCH* better on the ARL

The backdrop is Carls ARL (obvi).
The top square is Carls Pro White
The middle square is Carls Pro Grey
The bottom is a piece of paper
To the right is Carls Silver Screen. No particular reason why, just threw it up there.

The pics were in as dark as I can make my room with my cellphone. All lights off, but white walls. There is 1 picture with the room as *BRIGHT* as I can make it. I can tell you that it is very easy to tell the difference with the lights on. The others are completely washed out.
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Looks very promising for the price. Do you like how it looks in person? Any complaints yet?

If possible, could you take a lights-off picture with a sheet of paper hanging near the screen's center. One picture from your middle seat or behind it and one more toward the side of the seats would be great to get an idea of the screen's gain and off-axis dimming.

Photos up - aside from the distance you wanted. Most of those photos are about ~5 feet away from the screen. I tried to take a few from the back of the room, but they were really blurry with the lights off and no flash. I am not good with photography, but I think the phone was attempting to "hold" the lens open longer to get light/steady the image, but with no tripod it just came out funky.

There is one photo in there that is ~10 feet back.
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That's a great series of side-by-sides! Thank you very much.
Impressive how bright the ALR screens stays compared to the pro-Grey far off-axis.

I wonder how the Carl's ALR compares with the similarly priced Elite CineGrey5D material and the (hopefully) upcoming CineGrey3D raw material in shade/color, brightness and visible-texture/artifacts.

Easy $25 DIY black (or any color) ALR paint +$40-$50sprayer screen mix smooth/clean and very easy to learn spraying with little/no mess.
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How hard is it to build the screen frame and stretch the material around. Also is this the Carl's alr material that cost about $180.00 for 120" screen.
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How hard is it to build the screen frame and stretch the material around. Also is this the Carl's alr material that cost about $180.00 for 120" screen.
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It was $180 for 135" when I ordered.

It is a project to build it, but not to bad. Its really only ~6 pieces of wood, some brackets screws and staples. Not to bad.
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It was $180 for 135" when I ordered.

It is a project to build it, but not to bad. Its really only ~6 pieces of wood, some brackets screws and staples. Not to bad.
Yea that is the size for a 120" also. I am just worried about my frame not being straight.
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Hi,I found this discussion while I was searching for information and or reviews on the ALR material from Carl's Place. Coincidentally, I have the Epson 2040 as well. The idea of making my own screen (with the help of my handyman - I do not have the tools to do it right) has given me the chance to look at different materials to construct the frame. Wooden frame is the first one that comes to my mind, with the slight doubt whether it will stay straight without any obvious warps along the length. It's hard to find any aluminum framing material, so I came up with an idea for a composite design with a 1"x3" wooden frame kept straight by attaching a 1 inch square aluminum tube screwed on the back side of the wooden frame.
After comparing the different sample materials I received from Carl's Place, it wasn't too difficult to select the best material - I have narrowed down on the ALR!
Thank you for sharing your views and opinions and your step by step decision making on the selection of screen materials, etc.
I'm trying to get a thin black border for the edge, by using a 3/4" aluminum U channel covered with black felt border tape (also available from Carl's Place). That would require the outside edge of the frame to be cut down to less than 3/4" with a router.
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Got the fabric stretched stapled and hung.
Nice work!

Did you build a smaller frame for the leds? Is your screen hanging on top of it? Where did you get the led light kit from? How is the quality of the screen compared to what you had before? What kind of projector are you using? Thanks in advance!!!!
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Yes, I just used 1x3's and screwed a frame border onto the wall and then used the adhesive LED strip and stuck it to the frame.

My actual screen frame overlaps the led border frame by 1.5", so it 'glows' from behind.

I got the LED strip on ebay. There are hundreds of them.

I have a BenQ HT2050 DLP projector. I love the black levels on this ALR screen. I just had a tan wall before this screen. The screen is so much better. My only gripe is in a lot of scenes, peoples faces look red; like as if the character just hot and flushed.

I haven't calibrated my projector yet (nor don't have a blu ray calibrate disc yet so if anyone has a suggestion please let me know)

Last edited by bobbyc; 01-06-2016 at 03:03 PM.
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