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post #211 of 294 Old 02-20-2017, 08:13 AM
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So I finished the installation of my Carl's ALR screen. Sorry I don't have a picture of the room clean (the foam goes behind the screen to help insulate the light and cold air from the windows behind the screen). This screen looks amazing. My room is white and the bounce back from the walls would wash out the image really badly. With the ALR screen, not only does it reject light from the walls, it prevents light from being bounced to the walls in the first place. Overall the whole room is much darker on brightly lit scenes.

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While installing the screen, I noticed that the projector picture penetrates the material. Now since I have the screen mounted against a light wall,
will the light bouncing off behind the screen and then back to the screen affect it in any way? Should I mask the behind of the screen with black to prevent it from hitting the wall behind the screen?
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I also noticed that the ALR material is not completely opaque. Since I have windows behind my screen, I decided to leave the old Carl's blackout cloth on my frame and just put the ALR over top of it. That way I got the blackout properties of the old screen, and the ALR of the new screen.

The old screen on the floor ready to have the ALR stretched over it
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A terrible picture sorta showing the ALR screen mounted with lights on
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With the lights off. The white walls are very dark (not quite as dark as appear in the photo, but still very good)
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Damn, i got samples from carl, and as much it looks better for contrast, it seems that its a lot darkerthen white screen.

Whats ur opinion on general brigjtness of image and color tone?
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Whats ur opinion on general brigjtness of image and color tone?
It's actually quite impressive that a apparently dark grey material can reflect so much light. It is definitely brighter than my white blackout cloth. Sure it's not brighter than their pro-white, but that wasn't an option for me because my walls are white. The only way to have extremely high gain screen material is to have a theater in a black or very darkly painted room. Otherwise the image will get washed out by the bounce back from the walls. The colors seem to pop well to me, which is probably an effect of the ambient light rejection not allowing them to get washed out like they were before.

Right now, based upon the calculator at projector central, due to the size of my screen (165" diag) and distance of the projector, my foot-lumen brightness is about 5fl (or less probably based on age of the bulb). I'm hoping that when I upgrade my projector to something in the 2500 lumen range I will see even more benefit to this screen material.
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Thanks for the reply.
What I was refering to, is there a diference in whites, shadow detail, etc, compared to white screen? I have all carls samples, and I honestly dont see the diference between prowhite, flexi white, or blackout cloth, maybe minimum, compared with my no name white tensioned screen, but progray and alr samples standout a lot, but its hard to figure it out on small samples other then they look way darker, and that ALR has waaay better blacks, but cant see if there is any change in shadow detail.



I think this is showin prowhite, alr and progray, not sure as I was switching samples.
You see how this middle sample is obviously grey, noticable, compafed to side ones?
Im worried how would the whole screen look?
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getting ready to do the flex grey, it seemed about the same as my silver screen beer painted wall. i will take a pick of the new screen when it is done although it may be a little while.
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Thanks for the reply.
What I was refering to, is there a diference in whites, shadow detail, etc, compared to white screen? I have all carls samples, and I honestly dont see the diference between prowhite, flexi white, or blackout cloth, maybe minimum, compared with my no name white tensioned screen, but progray and alr samples standout a lot, but its hard to figure it out on small samples other then they look way darker, and that ALR has waaay better blacks, but cant see if there is any change in shadow detail.
It is very difficult to extrapolate what the sample will look like over a full size screen from a 8.5x11 sheet. These options all depend on your projector and the room you are projecting in. All these materials fundamentally reflect light, they have different reflectivity levels, and ALR as well as the grey materials (to a lesser degree) have another special property of rejecting light from other angles. When I had the samples I could easily tell the pro/flexi white reflected much more light than the blackout cloth. There are many situations where lots of light is great. To reproduce HDR for example. The problem is the room and projector have to properly handle it. I currently have an epson 8350 in a white room. With the blackout cloth there was no difference between the blackest black the projector could project and an area of the screen where the projector wasn't projecting on. I was limited by the screen and room for my black levels. Now with ALR, the area where the projector isn't projecting (like on a widescreen movie) is darker than the blackest black the projector can produce. I am no limited by the projectors black levels, thus if I want richer blacks I need a new projector.

In the end if I had a completely light controlled room with black walls, I probably would have gone for the flexi-white. That way I get a very evenly lit screen and it's up to the projector to produce the blacks/colors/whites (maybe a really low quality high gain screen would have it's issues due texture causing to light spilling between pixels, but I'm assuming that is not the case). The ALR hot spots a bit, which is exacerbated by viewing angle such as the viewer being too close to the screen, projector being too close, or viewer being at an oblique angle. I accept this trade off to get amazingly rich blacks and non-washed out colors in a white room.
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Ok, I definitelly need to do something about my screen, as Im having massive washout of image in dark scenes, and high contrast scenes.
My projector is epson 5020, its ceiling mounted 15 feet aeay from screen, wieving distance is 12 feet, with screen size of 106", low to the ground, my eyes are almost directly at center of screen, little lower.
Sample from flexi gray and progray didnt really make some impact on image (considering sample sizes) but alr definitellysjows better. But I have noticed sparkling on it, or it was just because of size/little wrinkles in sample whem being taped to existing screen.

Any chance you would have a photo of before/after?
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Any chance you would have a photo of before/after?
Not really since the exposure wouldn't be the same between the two. I don't notice sparkling on my screen. The angle of the ALR matters a lot, so it has to be really flat when you are looking at the sample. My screen isn't completely flat and curves towards the wall in the upper right corner which makes that corner appear dark. I'm going to have to adjust it so that the corner is straight.
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How did u strtch it, its pretty stretchy
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just got a flex grey screen done (128") 16:9 I like it so far the sample of alr was a little to dark for me cell phone pics are not to good. felt border was not up yet
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Carls felt tape border up
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Some picture of Carl's ALR i promised a few days ago. Camera probably adds some contrast and pop but still, looks very good in person.
Hotspotting is pretty much non-existant. Projector is Sony HW45ES, throw distance about 13ft and screen is 105 inches. Screen is close to light coloured walls,
light rejecting works perfectly.
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Some picture of Carl's ALR i promised a few days ago. Camera probably adds some contrast and pop but still, looks very good in person.
Hotspotting is pretty much non-existant. Projector is Sony HW45ES, throw distance about 13ft and screen is 105 inches. Screen is close to light coloured walls,
light rejecting works perfectly.
Any chance you could post some shots with the lights on of the same images?
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Sure thing. That's as much light I can get in my room. Would probably get brighter during the day, but still plenty bright like this.
There's a ceiling light thats lighting up the whole room + leds behind the border of the screen.
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Sure thing. That's as much light I can get in my room. Would probably get brighter during the day, but still plenty bright like this.
There's a ceiling light thats lighting up the whole room + leds behind the border of the screen.
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looks good that is the same projector I have
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Would Carl's silverscreen material suitable to use for faux 4K projector where audience will sit close to screen? around 6-10 feet from screen, will there any visible hotspot, sparkles, textures? planning to use with a low lumens 4K projector in a light controlled room

any visible hotspot, sparkles, textures for the ALR screen material?

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Would Carl's silverscreen material suitable to use for faux 4K projector where audience will sit close to screen?


No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Did I say No?

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Would Carl's silverscreen material suitable to use for faux 4K projector where audience will sit close to screen? around 6-10 feet from screen, will there any visible hotspot, sparkles, textures? planning to use with a low lumens 4K projector in a light controlled room

any visible hotspot, sparkles, textures for the ALR screen material?
While Carl's ALR material is one of the cleanest-looking aggressive light-fighting screens, their SilverScreen material is one of the least clean..it can appear quite glittery/sparkly, especially if you're sitting close.

In a light-controlled room where reflections and washout aren't a problem, Carl's FlexiWhite (or FlexiGrey if your screen is small-ish) give particularly clean and pristine images even when viewed up close.

Easy $25 DIY black (or any color) ALR paint +$40-$50sprayer screen mix smooth/clean and very easy to learn spraying with little/no mess.
Simple $25-40 DIY black/dark-grey ambient-light rejecting screen, grab two things from a local store..mix..roll..done.
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While Carl's ALR material is one of the cleanest-looking aggressive light-fighting screens, their SilverScreen material is one of the least clean..it can appear quite glittery/sparkly, especially if you're sitting close.

Essentially the same as sayin',

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What Ftoast said. Go white and everything will be alright!
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I built my edge less screen.
I saw there a sparkle and an oil slick. Is it normal?
It is hard to record but easy to see.
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Here are video and photos
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I see some blemishes above dudes ass on the skateboard, what is that?
Actually,I see it on everyimage, as if you over tightened the material?
Thanks for info though, some movie footage would be great
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I built my edge less screen.
I saw there a sparkle and an oil slick. Is it normal?
It is hard to record but easy to see.

I got exactly the same on my flexi grey
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I had the same on my flexi grey and also have it on the ALR.
Don't notice it in the movies though, unless it's a bright light/white image.
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I bought it on the amazon. First piece had defect ALR layer. i saw like oil slick. I tried it complain. Carl's send me second piece material and it was better but any oil slick can i saw there too. On axis hot spots are good. uniformity is bad, but it's normal property alr screens. Screen is very good for movies. Alr is very bad for ice hockey fans. i used led strips around and it look like as big oled screen. Alr can very deep black level and boost contrast. I tested with sony hw45es and epson 2040/tw5300
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I got material
Stapled it just to figure out the size, so I had an idea to put up mu old white screen next to it
Taken with google pixel so have some consideration lol


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I'm sorry. All ya all can hate me for sayin' so, but if the preceding images are of the Carl's ALR, it does not look to give a very dynamic or bright, high contrast image...even in the dark.

Is it better than a Matte White in ambient? It certainly should be....but it doesn't seem to be all that impressive. Even with the ambient overhead light greatly reduced the washout is pretty dulling.

While it may be a viable and affordable option for those who do not / cannot / will not consider painting, or springing for a really effective yet affordable ALR Screen like the DEA, I cannot agree with any assessment that it is a preferred option.

One thing, Gabre....

You don't mention as to if what we are seeing is the Cal's ALR or the Flexi-Gray you also sampled.

If it is Flexi-Gray...well that would explain a lot. But if it's Carl's ALR, the darker room shots don't come close to looking as good as the ones posted HERE.....however the difference...at least some, could be attributed to the different PJs being used (Sony 45es vs Epson 5020)

And if the benefit of the doubt is to be given due to Camera woes, then do you best to borrow a better one, because for many on here, any real "proofs" are dependent upon accurate photos. No sense in having your pet project fail to show as good as you know it does. That can make Stinkers like me say mean things in error.
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