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What about the post bases. What size base would you recommend for the post flanges?
Merry Christmas and best wishes for 2020 Mississippi Man and to all you home theatre enthusiasts!


Update: I built the outside frame (I think I ended up going with 117.875" X 66.25") yesterday and today I will finish the frame with all the vertical & the 2 horizontal support pieces.


Regarding the french cleats...your original diagram has the cleats on the frame at 31.5" wide screwed in between the support pieces. As I'm now going to be using 4X4 posts (which I now plan on moving in at least a foot at each end) to hold up the frame using such a wide cleat seems impractical at least on the posts. What would you guess would be the least wide I can go for the cleats that will attach to the posts? 12" maybe, or less? I want them strong enough to hold up the frame of course but I'm also going to (carefully) try to cut them on my mitre saw so I can only go so wide (don't have a table saw).

Hopping you and yours had a blessed and Merry Christmas as well! When you speak of moving the 4x4s inward...the first thing I visualize is that they are positioned fully behind the Screen Frame. If so the obviously enough, tone part of the french cleat must be solely attached to and supported by the 4x4.


I need to know exactly where the 4x4s are in relationship to the outside edges of the Screen Frame. My advice (...and any actual build instructions...) will be governed by that knowledge, as well as where the eventual Vertical closest to each end will be.


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And what size wood to cut the cleats with? 2X6", 2X8"?

Your still stuck on thinking about 2x lumber. Again...all that is needed is 1x lumber, and 1x8 ripped with a 45 degree diagonal cut down the middle long-wise is the most ideal material to use.


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Just thought of another question while looking at the pictures of your frame. :-)

If I'm going to be placing my centre channel dead centre behind the screen wouldn't the vertical support piece in the middle of the frame interfere a little bit with the sound? (I know, I over-analyze things). :-)

If so, just leave it out?

Over-anaylizing often means just taking longer to determine the best course of action. But in this case you need a lesson in determining visual perspectives.


Look at the Photos again...you will see 4 Vertical Uprights evenly spaced between the two ends. That means the 2nd and 3rd Verticals bracket a center-point of the frame. Lots of open space to either side of center.


I'd like to get the figures of the distance between the inside edges of two 4x4s. With that information and now knowing your Frame's outside dimensions, I can suggest exactly where the 4 Verticals should go, and how the Right and Left French Cleats that must mount to the Frame.



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The center of the posts will be approximately 28" from the edge of the screen frame. I want to leave room for my center channel and sub.
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Over-anaylizing often means just taking longer to determine the best course of action. But in this case you need a lesson in determining visual perspectives.


Look at the Photos again...you will see 4 Vertical Uprights evenly spaced between the two ends. That means the 2nd and 3rd Verticals bracket a center-point of the frame. Lots of open space to either side of center.


I'd like to get the figures of the distance between the inside edges of two 4x4s. With that information and now knowing your Frame's outside dimensions, I can suggest exactly where the 4 Verticals should go, and how the Right and Left French Cleats that must mount to the Frame.



I'll be checking back every so very often so git'ter dun!

What about this idea? I get a 10'X8" piece of poplar and rip it to make a long 5" french cleat. Then using the frame design you provided in your photographs, use the french cleat as the top horizontal support bar in your photo. Then just cut two smaller pieces of the other half of the 3" cleat to attach to my posts. And the vertical supports could just be spaced out evenly leaving a 32" space in the middle for my center channel.

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What about this idea? I get a 10'X8" piece of poplar and rip it to make a long 5" french cleat. Then using the frame design you provided in your photographs, use the french cleat as the top horizontal support bar in your photo. Then just cut two smaller pieces of the other half of the 3" cleat to attach to my posts. And the vertical supports could just be spaced out evenly leaving a 32" space in the middle for my center channel.

Well you jumped ahead of me. Somewhat. I was going to suggest something exactly along those lines, only shorter, with just each end ripped inward to just short of the location of the 1st Vertical and the corresponding other Half mounted on each of the Posts.



Looks like you got this........git'tur dun!

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Well you jumped ahead of me. Somewhat. I was going to suggest something exactly along those lines, only shorter, with just each end ripped inward to just short of the location of the 1st Vertical and the corresponding other Half mounted on each of the Posts.



Looks like you got this........git'tur dun!
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This is what Mississippi Man helped me with, listen to him and he will lead you correctly

Thank you Tim. I try to do my best.








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Hey Tim, your screen looks great! I've been following Mississippi Man's advice every step of the way. He's a guru and his help has been invaluable! (no cheque necessary)
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Hey Tim, your screen looks great! I've been following Mississippi Man's advice every step of the way. He's a guru and his help has been invaluable! (no cheque necessary)
I in some ways wish that i could have spoke to him sooner, and possibly done a wall painted with his hidden speakers. I was just too far into things to turn back. I however switched from a sony projector to a jvc and have not looked back, absolutely amazing picture for a projector without an anomorphic lense or any other high dollar piece in the setup.
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Well you jumped ahead of me. Somewhat. I was going to suggest something exactly along those lines, only shorter, with just each end ripped inward to just short of the location of the 1st Vertical and the corresponding other Half mounted on each of the Posts.



Looks like you got this........git'tur dun!

Happy New Year to all!


Well I'm slowly git'turnher dun! (I know, I put enough screws in the frame. It won't be coming apart anytime soon. lol)



Next step...........Rolling Stones. Paint it Black. Everything!


Mississippi Man do you have the procedure for stretching the spandex onto the frame? I should be starting that at the end of the week and it's got me a little nervous. :-)
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Your Attachment is too large to load.......go back onto your PC or phone and downsize to no more than 1400 x 1400 (1200 x 1000 works well)

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This Stretching / Stapling sequence diagram isn't of your formal or size, but the numbers still correspond to how to stretch and staple.


PM me a contact number and I'll shoot you a call to provide some important tips on getting the Corners to look almost "Shrink Wrapped"/




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Subscribing to this thread. I am in an exact situation and this thread is super helpful. Good luck OP, closely following this thread.

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Done.




Now THAT looks like a well made Frame!


Nice sturdy Center Channel pedestal too!

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This Stretching / Stapling sequence diagram isn't of your formal or size, but the numbers still correspond to how to stretch and staple.


PM me a contact number and I'll shoot you a call to provide some important tips on getting the Corners to look almost "Shrink Wrapped"/




1/4" staples. Does that refer to the width, depth or both? Thanks!!!!!!
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Depth.

T-50 designates Width


Thanks?



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Depth.

T-50 designates Width


Thanks?



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Thanks Mississippi Man. You recommended a certain type of stapler in another thread and I can't find it.

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I have a 10 day trip into Italy coming up (Feb 10-20), and I'm gonna need some back up...or things might get backed up!


....meanwhile, a bit of embellishment.


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I have a 10 day trip into Italy coming up (Feb 10-20), and I'm gonna need some back up...or things might get backed up!


....meanwhile, a bit of embellishment.


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Non dirlo a nessuno ..... è un viaggio di piacere! Non prendo il mio telefono o laptop! Solo una macchina fotografica!



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Practicing.

Good morning MM! I'm about to start doing the spandex on the frame. I have a helper. Is it best for the helper to hold the fabric opposite from where I'm stapling or to be on the same side as me and hold the fabric for me to staple?? Hopefully the last of the newbie questions!
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Black spandex is done! Break time then white. Might just be watching Ford vs Ferrari tonite.
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Black spandex is done! Break time then white. Might just be watching Ford vs Ferrari tonite.

Seems like you got it figured out. Been out on the job all day until now...hangin'a NX7 and a 120" 16:9 Dark Energy Screen.


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Seems like you got it figured out. Been out on the job all day until now...hangin'a NX7 and a 120" 16:9 Dark Energy Screen.


Sorry I wasn't around to respond as I normally would.

No worries! I got'er done. And it goes without saying that I couldn't have done it without your help. So thank you very much once again!


My screen frame must be just slightly out of square in one or two corners because I can't get the projector to perfectly fit the screen. With the best image I can dial in there's a very small amount of white screen showing in the two corners on one side. The good news is you don't see it when the lights are turned off.


I've got an issue I'm working on where the audio cuts out randomly for a split second but that's for another forum.


I'm busy trying to get the room finished for a little super bowl party and after that I'll post a bunch of pictures.
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Glad I was able to be there for ya!


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Take two diagonal measurements from each corner to corner. If they match, then the issue lies with the positioning of the projector's lens being off center to the Screen's surface, creating a slight Trapezoidal effect.



From what you described, I'd venture to suggest that you ever so slightly twist the Projector toward the two affected corners. Then using the 5050's Lens Shift, move the image back onto the screen.

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Take two diagonal measurements from each corner to corner. If they match, then the issue lies with the positioning of the projector's lens being off center to the Screen's surface, creating a slight Trapezoidal effect.



From what you described, I'd venture to suggest that you ever so slightly twist the Projector toward the two affected corners. Then using the 5050's Lens Shift, move the image back onto the screen.

Before I figure out how to use the lens shift I measured the screen diagonally and it's 135" on one side and 135.25" on the other. Should that make much of a difference?
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