Originally Posted by MDJones
Not trying to hurt your heart MMan. I did preface by asking what his goals were. Sometimes it’s hard to tell what people are really looking for and what skills/patience/budget/expectations they have. I have both bought and built screens, and each has their own strengths and weaknesses.
I understand the motive...and I know it was well intended...but in truth all the facts were there. A light controlled Room with a 100" screen size + a JVC RS420 = in excess 50+ foot lambert. That is tremendously bright for a non-ALR dark room application, even on low Lamp. Also, the comment about wanting to improve his Viewing experience...that's something that staying with another Matte White Screen isn't going to accomplish to any degree except possibly provide him with a newer, smoother surface. A near unity gain Grey surface that also has image enhancing properties due to balanced use of Metallic-s and other additives can really...truly improve the image quality of even a "GASP"
Native 4K NX9 as far as rendering a even more vivid and dynamic image. While that comment may fly in the face of video purists, I have been there and done that many times across the entire JVC line-up...at virtually every size and format. And when the application involves PJs of lessor ilk, the situation at hand benefits all the more so.
Most of the time with DIY, we are saving money by investing time. . That said, if you don’t need AT or a large screen or ambient light rejection or high gain, it’s pretty hard to compete with the low end mfg screens on price, and they do give a neutral white with normal gain.
Again....that just isn't the case. There are wide variances in the stated specifications of such inexpensive Mfg screens, and manytimes specs do not measure up to those claims, making them all the less a "value". There are several pure White paints that when applied to a suitably smooth surface can easily match or best even expensive Matte White unity gain Mfg. Screens, let alone the el 'cheapos. One this Forum, suggesting going with such is the "last resort" and one taken without hesitation once such a course is determined to be the right one. Otherwise, such Mfg Screen surfaces....fixed / retractable / or a Mfg Material made onto a DIY Frame are more often used as Canvasses for DIY Paint solutions before they are suggested for use outright "as is".
We DIY'ers as a group cannot make any such reference as to desirability or suggest any such superiority on the Screens Forum. The Axe is just waiting to fall if we do because there are actually Rules against such, and the same applies in reverse on DIY Screens. Of course, for about 10 years on now those rules on here have seen a loosening of abject compliance....on the DIY Forum we often make direct reference to and suggestions of the use of Mfg Materials for DIY Framed applications...or the use of Fixed or Retractable Screens "as is" if it is determined that the Poster cannot effect the needed DIY upgrading. I can say without fear of contradiction that we get virtually ZERO referrals off the Screen Forum except and only when someone posts on there about actually DIY'ing a Screen. Then they are sent over here. The biggest change up is the greatly reduced animosity between the two Camps...something that is quite a welcome switch from the many who would accuse DIY Screen making as being a fruitless en-devour rife with Snake Oil claims and vastly poorer results. Of course if we stick to our own backyard the Bullies seldom jump the fence to give us a pounding...but wander over into their Neighborhood and...Whooo Boy!
In the effort to maintain the differences between the two genres, of course there should be and is the need to be flexible, and address actual need...not just a per-determined path. Of course that can be hard due to personal preferences coming into play.
As to myself, absolutely I am of the opinion that image quality can be improved both easily and affordably, especially the latter when one considered how much similarly superior performing Mfg Screens can cost vs even the most expensive and complex DIY routes.
A great example being Spandex and it's insertion into the upper end of Home Theater building. It too garnered no small amount of resistance from those who strongly believed that you had to spend excessively to acquire exceptional results...yet we kept plugging Spandex for it's strengths...affordability...ease of use...superior surface qualities, while also tempering suggestions due to gain limitations / lumen requirements. But a great DIY application will eventually win over enough advocates because end results do not lie, and it there is one truism that holds fast across both Screen Forums it's that members do like to share their giddiness over how happy they are with their Big Picture!
But, then you don’t get to see people’s reaction when you tell them your screen is made out of tights
.....and THAT is something those with actual Mfg Screens miss out with by not using Spandex because of it's near perfect AT performance and smooth surface (...sorta a Superhero of DIY applications...)
Even more so is the Painted Wall or other solid surface.....jaws drop precipitously...and eyes bulge out when they go up to the surface, rap on it with their knuckles and realize..."It's your Wall ???!!!???" And it doesn't stop there...with a great paint solution, image quality expands into QLED / OLED quality levels....at Silver Ticket prices.
At that juncture the DIY Satisfaction index knows no bounds. Shoot...even a Stewart or DNP Screen becomes a mundane, ho-hum thing after 2-3 years. A great DIY application? Never! No one ever stops tooting their horn to newcomers...such is the soaring pride factor DIY'ing elicits. The Fun Factor is a huge part of it all, and a primary reason I advocate DIY'ism.
So there it all is....and please understand I do not fault nor lament your mention of the inexpensive Mfg. alternative. Brook no doubt, I too feel people need to have all their options presented, but those options should cater to actual needs. Besides...it gave me another chance to address what is a very important difference than many need to be reminded of...one that lies at the heart of DIY Screen making.