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Looks like most of the content is the same. I haven't examined the difference but you can't put multi-channel DTS-MA on DVD - well, maybe you could but a DVD player wouldn't decode it, or it would just use the core DTS, dunno.

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Looks like the price has been dropping under $400 at a number of vendors. I wonder at which point it would be worth getting one.

I haven't been keeping track. Are there a lot of defects with the discs, or is it relatively minor?
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I opened this box set yesterday as a Xmass gift.

I've only explored maybe 4 discs.

I have to say I'm completely amazed by the set. It's sad that detailed reviews aren't available because I would have liked to know much more about it before I bought it.

For example, I owned La Vallee and More on DVD and was concerned that maybe the DVD versions were simply offered on Blu Ray without being updated. This isn't the case, the blu ray versions of these 2 films are far better than the DVD copies I have.

The DTS MA sound of Live at Pompeii is amazing also. There's quite a lot of things I never knew existed... so much to explore.

I didn't have great feeling about this set as I viewed it as just a collection of old otherwise unmarket-able material... and there's some of that but I live Pink Floyd and I'm very happy with the set now that I have it to experience.

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I opened this box set yesterday as a Xmass gift.

I've only explored maybe 4 discs.

I have to say I'm completely amazed by the set. It's sad that detailed reviews aren't available because I would have liked to know much more about it before I bought it.

For example, I owned La Vallee and More on DVD and was concerned that maybe the DVD versions were simply offered on Blu Ray without being updated. This isn't the case, the blu ray versions of these 2 films are far better than the DVD copies I have.

The DTS MA sound of Live at Pompeii is amazing also. There's quite a lot of things I never knew existed... so much to explore.

I didn't have great feeling about this set as I viewed it as just a collection of old otherwise unmarket-able material... and there's some of that but I live Pink Floyd and I'm very happy with the set now that I have it to experience.

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No subtitles into English for La Vallee nor More. All in all a great collection. Most of it has been around for years but, the quality is certainly better for most videos. AHM in Quad is outstanding as well as Pompeii in 5.1. The 5.1 of Meddle is a major big deal and sound amazing on my system, whether it was an accident or done on purpose as a slight to Rog, I don't care.
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Listening to the 24/96 version of Fearless from Meddle.

I don't know when I'll explore the set more but I really bought it mostly because the the 24/96 and 5.1 version of Meddle.

Last time I listened to the original Quad mix of Echoes it seemed the vocals were way under volume... I didn't notice that the first time I listened to it so I'll have to try again.
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Listening to the 24/96 version of Fearless from Meddle.

I don't know when I'll explore the set more but I really bought it mostly because the the 24/96 and 5.1 version of Meddle.

Last time I listened to the original Quad mix of Echoes it seemed the vocals were way under volume... I didn't notice that the first time I listened to it so I'll have to try again.

How is the 5.1 of Meddle? I've definitely been frothing about that the 5.1 of that and of Ummagumma.
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The 5.1 mix of Meddle sounds better to me than the original Quad Mix of Echoes. (But Quad is "neat" in it's own way... my system sends the back 2 to my rear speakers in my 7.1 system... I'm not sure my other quad mixes do that... I remember quad coming from the side surrounds or maybe that was before I got the rear surrounds.)

The stereo 24/96 version of Meddle has at least 1 think I think is a mistake. During One of These Days it sounds like some of the sound is missing. Like maybe some of the sound designated for surround in the surrond version wasn't included in the stereo version. It's a bit hard to explain but that's my attempt.

I am always thrilled to add to my 24/96 PF collection (DSotM, WYWH, TDB, TER, Meddle ... along with Rattle that Lock and Amused to Death.) I know it's debate-able that 24/96 can yield a better sound but if it's just smoke and mirrors I still get excited by it.
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The stereo 24/96 version of Meddle has at least 1 think I think is a mistake. During One of These Days it sounds like some of the sound is missing. Like maybe some of the sound designated for surround in the surrond version wasn't included in the stereo version. It's a bit hard to explain but that's my attempt.
Brian, I suspect what you're talking about is happening just as the drums and everything comes in after the "one of these days I'm going to cut you into little pieces" bit? Someone on the QuadrophonicsQuad forum mentioned it, and it seems to me, looking at the track in Audacity, that they increased the overall loudness of the whole track (the modern disease), and then had to reduce the loundness of the rest of the track, from this point onwards. It kills the dynamics and ruins the track IMO. His advice (I can't remember where, there is a very long thread on that forum), but I tried what he advised, and increased this section of the track by 3dB in Audacity, and now it sounds great (again). You need to fade the 3dB increase at the end back to 0dB so that the levels match as it segues into A Pillow of winds. The 2011 remaster (which sounds great!), was done properly and doesn't suffer from this problem. I am really hoping that Meddle 5.1 (and 2.0) is on the individual release when it comes out, even in the state it's in on the BluRay in the box set, as I have a copy only in 2.0, that wasn't ripped perfectly, and I haven't yet found a decent source for either the 2.0 or 5.1 whilst I wait for this to be released in the individual pack. HTH! Cheers, Matt
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I was finally able to get the 5.1 mix of Meddle extracted and have a listen.

Let me say I am a huge Floyd fan and have always loved Meddle and if I had to choose one song as my favorite Floyd song ever with a gun to my head it would be A Pillow of Winds.

That being said this is the best I have ever heard the album sound, great use of surrounds with some very clever panning. The use of all speakers lets you hear things I've never heard, lots of little nuances that come out, don't know if it's from being a higher resolution or the use of multiple channels but it sounds amazing.

I know a lot of people on the Hoffman forum have not had great experiences with the album mix, I'm not sure why.
If you don't mind me asking, what process & software did you need to use to extract the music? Thanks!
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The release of the individual volumes has been announced. Due in early March. I don't know how much the prices will come down, but they better come down a lot. $50 a pop.

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So do you get any complete albums in 5.1 or just bits and pieces and some live stuff?

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So do you get any complete albums in 5.1 or just bits and pieces and some live stuff?
I guess that depends on whether or not the individual releases are the same pressing as the box set. I really hope they are because then the "hidden" Meddle 5.1 album (which is really what I am buying it for), will still be there. I can't decide what is more likely, that they pressed all the discs for both releases in one go (what I would have done), or, separate pressings with re-disc mastering in the process (seems unlikely). However, due to the "hidden" Meddle 5.1 album, they may have decided to remove it properly and press a batch of new discs for the 1971 Bluray disc (in which case, I'll be crying into my beer when I've effectively paid £30 for one track (Echoes in 4.0)). Pre-order is in, waiting..... Matt
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So do you get any complete albums in 5.1 or just bits and pieces and some live stuff?

Below is from a post over at the SH Forum. It's very helpful and detailed as to what is included on each separate set. I preordered the 1970, 1971 and 1972 sets which have the multichannel mixes. The total is about $110 USD for the three sets. Much better than the cost of the whole box which had quite a bit of material that I wasn't interested in.

PDFs on pinkfloyd.com showing each sub-boxes track listing and contents.

1965-1967: CAMBRIDGE ST/ATION:
http://www.pinkfloyd.com/news/pdfs/EY_1965-67_Tracks.pdf
1968: GERMIN/ATION: http://www.pinkfloyd.com/news/pdfs/EY_1968_Tracks.pdf
1969: DRAMATIS/ATION: http://www.pinkfloyd.com/news/pdfs/EY_1969_Tracks.pdf
1970: DEVI/ATION: http://www.pinkfloyd.com/news/pdfs/EY_1970_Tracks.pdf
1971: REVERBER/ATION: http://www.pinkfloyd.com/news/pdfs/EY_1971_Tracks.pdf
1972: OBFUSC/ATION: http://www.pinkfloyd.com/news/pdfs/EY_1972_Tracks.pdf

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Below is from a post over at the SH Forum. It's very helpful and detailed as to what is included on each separate set. I preordered the 1970, 1971 and 1972 sets which have the multichannel mixes. The total is about $110 USD for the three sets. Much better than the cost of the whole box which had quite a bit of material that I wasn't interested in.

PDFs on pinkfloyd.com showing each sub-boxes track listing and contents.

1965-1967: CAMBRIDGE ST/ATION:
http://www.pinkfloyd.com/news/pdfs/EY_1965-67_Tracks.pdf
1968: GERMIN/ATION: http://www.pinkfloyd.com/news/pdfs/EY_1968_Tracks.pdf
1969: DRAMATIS/ATION: http://www.pinkfloyd.com/news/pdfs/EY_1969_Tracks.pdf
1970: DEVI/ATION: http://www.pinkfloyd.com/news/pdfs/EY_1970_Tracks.pdf
1971: REVERBER/ATION: http://www.pinkfloyd.com/news/pdfs/EY_1971_Tracks.pdf
1972: OBFUSC/ATION: http://www.pinkfloyd.com/news/pdfs/EY_1972_Tracks.pdf

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Thanks Bill, this very usefull!

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Bad news on the "hidden" 5.1 Meddle mixes --- I received my copy of REVERBER/ATION from Amazon yesterday and couldn't find anything beyond what's on the BluRay's menu. Interestingly, however, when I examined the STREAM directory, there appears to be a missing file. 8 files are present, with names of 00000.m2ts, 00002.m2ts, 00003.m2ts, 00004.m2ts, 00005.m2ts, 00006.m2ts, 00007.m2ts, and 00008.m2ts. Conspicuously absent is 00001.m2ts. Could that have been where the 5.1 mixes were in the box set? If so they must have re-pressed the discs for this release. :-(
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Bad news on the "hidden" 5.1 Meddle mixes --- I received my copy of REVERBER/ATION from Amazon yesterday and couldn't find anything beyond what's on the BluRay's menu. Interestingly, however, when I examined the STREAM directory, there appears to be a missing file. 8 files are present, with names of 00000.m2ts, 00002.m2ts, 00003.m2ts, 00004.m2ts, 00005.m2ts, 00006.m2ts, 00007.m2ts, and 00008.m2ts. Conspicuously absent is 00001.m2ts. Could that have been where the 5.1 mixes were in the box set? If so they must have re-pressed the discs for this release. :-(
That's too bad . I have the Devi/ation 1970, Reverber/ation 1971 and Obfusc/ation 1972 sets on the way from Amazon.uk. If you're a member over at the Steve Hoffman forum you could post your thoughts in the thread linked below.

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Bad news on the "hidden" 5.1 Meddle mixes --- I received my copy of REVERBER/ATION from Amazon yesterday and couldn't find anything beyond what's on the BluRay's menu. Interestingly, however, when I examined the STREAM directory, there appears to be a missing file. 8 files are present, with names of 00000.m2ts, 00002.m2ts, 00003.m2ts, 00004.m2ts, 00005.m2ts, 00006.m2ts, 00007.m2ts, and 00008.m2ts. Conspicuously absent is 00001.m2ts. Could that have been where the 5.1 mixes were in the box set? If so they must have re-pressed the discs for this release. :-(
Did you rip the disc? It is my understanding that the hidden 5.1 mixes can only be accessed if you rip the disc.

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Did you rip the disc? It is my understanding that the hidden 5.1 mixes can only be accessed if you rip the disc.
I backed it up, yes. That's how I was able to discover the file names and sizes.
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I backed it up, yes. That's how I was able to discover the file names and sizes.
Ok, just wanted to point that out but I will also mention that you can see the names and sizes of the files beforehand and without ripping.

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I wish the "extra" surround sound mixes of Meddle were still included.

I did buy the big set right away because I figured they would correct that issue quickly.

I keep 24/96 files on my iPhone and listen on the go with a Dragonfly. I can't wait to have the whole back catalog in high Rez and hopefully surround sound.

The eventual release of meddle in hi Rez will maybe be done better but this mix is still interesting and I'm glad to have it.

Anyway, the rest of the big kit is also interesting to a Floyd fan.

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Edit -I wonder if new versions of the big set will start to not have it.
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Damn it! I recieved my copy today also, and when ripping it can also confirm that they have re-mastered the disc (it says in the centre of it EG63688-01 01902959298 PFREY5BD V3, I don't know what the orginal was, but I'll bet it was V1 or V2!)

Now I have the quandry, I *REALLY* want the Hi-Res Meddle 5.1 to play on my fully equipped 5.1 system, but REALLY don't want to pay £360 for the four tracks I don't yet have.... :@

Not happy! (that a part of the disc that was never advertised, doesn't have what was never promised... )

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It's not 4 tracks you don't have.

The 5.1 version of Meddle sounds a thousand times better than the quad mix.

(To me, that is.) (I'm still happy to be able to listen to both.)
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It's not 4 tracks you don't have.

The 5.1 version of Meddle sounds a thousand times better than the quad mix.

(To me, that is.) (I'm still happy to be able to listen to both.)
Now that I have listened to the Quad mix this afternoon, and also to the hooky 96/24 2.0 mix that I have, you're correct, the "unofficial" 2.0 96/24 mix walks all over the 48/24 4.0 1971 mix in every regard! Now I'm even more upset about not having the 5.1 mix...!!!
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It's not 4 tracks you don't have.

The 5.1 version of Meddle sounds a thousand times better than the quad mix.

(To me, that is.) (I'm still happy to be able to listen to both.)
Which set has the 5.1 mix of Meddle?
I looked at the .pdf files, but I cannot find it.
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Which set has the 5.1 mix of Meddle?
I looked at the .pdf files, but I cannot find it.
It was on the big box set (Early Years Set) by mistake.

I don't know if they have started using the corrected version of the discs in the big box set or if those were all made using the version in which it was on the disc but removed from the menus.

It was supposed to be removed for the set. It was left on the disc though so people with disc ripping tools gained access to it.

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Is anybody willing to copy the 5.1 version of the Meddle and ship it to me?


I have the MFSL version, but been looking/waiting for the 5.1 version for a long time.


I'll take care of all the charges and your time.


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LOL, if only it were that easy....

Though, I admit, I have been tempted to post something similar!

It is apparently "on the dark side of the web", but I don't dabble in Torrenting, so my amateur attempts to find it have led nowhere... (and friends that do dabble, I've asked them and they have come up short also...)

It's a shame you can't buy it officially! :@ (as officially it isn't on the big box set either, so officially, you can't buy it! )

What to do....
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Just wait.

I'm sure it will get a proper release in time.

Pink Floyd is big business. The full back catalog will be on blu ray eventually in 5.1.

We just have to stay alive for it.

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The only reason I can think of why it got that far then was held back was that someone refused to do a sign off on it that had creative approval. Maybe someone in the band didn't like the mix.
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The only reason I can think of why it got that far then was held back was that someone refused to do a sign off on it that had creative approval. Maybe someone in the band didn't like the mix.
If you're talking about the Meddle 5.1 mix it wasn't supposed to be a part of the box set in the first place. It was included on one of the Blu-ray discs by accident and it looks like it's been removed from recently bought discs. No issue of signing off or creative approval if it was done inadvertently.

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