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I came across this on Apple Music. An SACD on Apple Music?

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Listened to Talking Heads Remain in Light last night. I figured out that it is another example of a surround mix with a -6dB attenuation... this time the center channel needs to be boosted. The lead vocals are better balanced and there are a few instances where a sound element flies from channel to channel and the volume dips a lot in the center unless you boost it +6dB. Then the sound element is the same volume coming from all five speakers.
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Hi-Rez Monday was in full effect this morning! Enjoying a female dominant listening session with some DVD-Audio and SACD’s. Moved the impact monitors about a foot closer and can appreciate the benefit very quickly. Not sure the landscaping will get done today! Damn Game of Thrones left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth last night that needed cleansing! Been way too long since I purchased some new music in either format.
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Listened to Beck's Guero and Sea Change and I can see now why Sea Change is so highly regarded for its 5.1 mix. Pretty great mix, really ideal. Guero seems to be not regarded too highly (and it is yet another DVD-V described as a DVD-A) but I though the mix to be pretty good as well. And you can listen to it without falling asleep in 10 minutes which is good during the day.

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Listened to Talking Heads Remain in Light last night. I figured out that it is another example of a surround mix with a -6dB attenuation... this time the center channel needs to be boosted. The lead vocals are better balanced and there are a few instances where a sound element flies from channel to channel and the volume dips a lot in the center unless you boost it +6dB. Then the sound element is the same volume coming from all five speakers.
Hmm, that is interesting. I have all the TH DVD-As but have only listened to about half of them so far. I haven't listened to Remain in Light but I would guess that it's similar to the others that i have listened to (True Stories, Little Creatures, couple others), which I found generally to be pretty excellent surround mixes. Love listening to Burning Down the House in 5.1 especially. I do dislike mixes where the center channels is minimally used, I'll have to check it out today.

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Nice. Wouldn't mind have that Counting Crows album in the background in 5.1... I think the 25th anniversary is probably this year (I think it came out in '94 like Hootie's debut album which is getting a 25th anniversary edition this month), perfect excuse for a 5.1 mix!
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Wouldn't mind have that Counting Crows album in the background in 5.1... I think the 25th anniversary is probably this year (I think it came out in '94 like Hootie's debut album which is getting a 25th anniversary edition this month), perfect excuse for a 5.1 mix!
Audio Fidelity released August and Everything After on SACD (2.0) back in 2013. Pretty sure it's still readily available at the original asking price.

While I too would have preferred to have this album in 5.1 (and the mix is pretty much the same as the Redbook CD), the level of detail and separation of instruments you would expect on the SACD is here in spades. There is a certain amount of warmth, or organic feel to this SACD as well. Too bad the liner notes don't indicate if the original tapes were uses, but I suspect they were.

One of my favorite albums of all time.
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Audio Fidelity released August and Everything After on SACD (2.0) back in 2013. Pretty sure it's still readily available at the original asking price.

While I too would have preferred to have this album in 5.1 (and the mix is pretty much the same as the Redbook CD), the level of detail and separation of instruments you would expect on the SACD is here in spades. There is a certain amount of warmth, or organic feel to this SACD as well. Too bad the liner notes don't indicate if the original tapes were uses, but I suspect they were.

One of my favorite albums of all time.
Nice, although my ears/brain are not sensitive enough (or maybe too damaged by years of loud music listening, concert attending, etc.) to really appreciate high rez audio, which is the reason I only buy surround albums (except by mistake, d'oh!). I just checked and actually last year (2018) was the 25th anniversary of its release... shame it never got the SDE treatment, considering what a huge hit it was. Would fill out a 5.1 system quite nicely...

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Nice, although my ears/brain are not sensitive enough (or maybe too damaged by years of loud music listening, concert attending, etc.) to really appreciate high rez audio, which is the reason I only buy surround albums (except by mistake, d'oh!). I just checked and actually last year (2018) was the 25th anniversary of its release... shame it never got the SDE treatment, considering what a huge hit it was. Would fill out a 5.1 system quite nicely...
Agreed, this damn thread is going to lighten my wallet! Any SACD or DVD-Audio offerings for U2 Joshua Tree?
The Redbook CD of August.... is almost perfect!
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Hmm, that is interesting. I have all the TH DVD-As but have only listened to about half of them so far. I haven't listened to Remain in Light but I would guess that it's similar to the others that i have listened to (True Stories, Little Creatures, couple others), which I found generally to be pretty excellent surround mixes. Love listening to Burning Down the House in 5.1 especially. I do dislike mixes where the center channels is minimally used, I'll have to check it out today.
I have all of the Talking Heads DVD-As or DualDiscs. The 5.1 mixes are excellent and are in no need for channel level tweaking IMO. I'm listening to the Remain In The Light DVD-A as I type. There is no way the center channel needs to have the volume level raised 6dB. The vocals are a bit recessed but not to the point where a volume increase is needed. I just increased the center volume 6 dB and it places waaaay to much emphasis on not only the vocals but other aspects of the recording placed in the center channel.

I just checked with Born Under Punches (The Heat Goes On) playing and David Byrnes vocals are also mixed into the left and right front channels. So by raising the center channel volume 6 dB it totally destroys the front soundstage. The Great Curve is now playing and David Byrne's vocals are also mixed in all three front channels.

Once again the member that claims the "I figured out that it is another example of a surround mix with a -6dB attenuation" is totally wrong. Maybe if he took the time to correctly setup his system he would have heard this recording as it was intended. Also if he just took the time to put his ear to his LCR speakers he would have found that David Byrnes vocals are mixed in the three front speakers.

It amazes me that someone can make a definitive statement claiming a surround mix was mixing incorrectly but then doesn't even take the time to check his system and the recording in question. I'm far from an expert on the mixing of multichannel mixes. But one doesn't need to be a expert to figure out that there is not a -6dB attenuation issue with this recording.

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Audio Fidelity released August and Everything After on SACD (2.0) back in 2013. Pretty sure it's still readily available at the original asking price.

While I too would have preferred to have this album in 5.1 (and the mix is pretty much the same as the Redbook CD), the level of detail and separation of instruments you would expect on the SACD is here in spades. There is a certain amount of warmth, or organic feel to this SACD as well. Too bad the liner notes don't indicate if the original tapes were uses, but I suspect they were.

One of my favorite albums of all time.
Nice, although my ears/brain are not sensitive enough (or maybe too damaged by years of loud music listening, concert attending, etc.) to really appreciate high rez audio, which is the reason I only buy surround albums (except by mistake, d'oh!). I just checked and actually last year (2018) was the 25th anniversary of its release... shame it never got the SDE treatment, considering what a huge hit it was. Would fill out a 5.1 system quite nicely...
I've used the dts neural x on the 2ch sacd of the counting crows album with good results. It's worth picking up for the clean sonic quality.
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Listened to Lyle Lovett's DTS CD of Joshua Judges Ruth... a bit mild use of the surrounds but still a good listen.

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I have all of the Talking Heads DVD-As or DualDiscs. The 5.1 mixes are excellent and are in no need for channel level tweaking IMO.
Good to know, as I like the TH surround mixes I've heard so far.

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The Redbook CD of August.... is almost perfect!
Nope, and I have a 12 year old topic in this forum crying about it. Seems U2 have no interest in doing surround mixes since JT's 20th and 30th anniversary deluxe box sets came and went without one. Shame as JT would be awesome in 5.1!
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Agreed, this damn thread is going to lighten my wallet! Any SACD or DVD-Audio offerings for U2 Joshua Tree?
The Redbook CD of August.... is almost perfect!
I think, if you go by the Steve Hoffman forums, the Mobile Fidelity CD of "The Joshua Tree" is considered the best (albeit at a hefty price).
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If you boost a channel of any normal multichannel mix +6dB, you're going to completely blast the volume of that channel. That isn't a small amount. The fact that you can do that and still listen to it without flinching is proof that the channel is low. If you aren't afraid to fine tune your settings, just try it and see if you like it better that way. If not, feel free to listen to it at whatever calibration you prefer. There is no absolute one size fits all setting. Only God is perfect. Engineers make mistakes, and calibration for mixing and playing back multichannel isn't as well controlled as two channel, both in studios and especially in homes. In fact, I think a lot of people depend on automatic EQ devices built into receivers too much. Those get you into the ballpark, but if you want to get a perfect sound field, you need to make the effort to learn how to adjust and fine tune your sound manually. Every mix is different and every listening room is different.

That said, the multichannel mixes for the Talking Heads albums were supervised by Jerry Harrison, and they emphasize the rhythm parts and mix down Byrne's vocals considerably compared to the original albums. Boosting the center may not work the same on the other albums. Just listen with your brain turned on and experiment if balances don't seem quite right or if the sound appears to be clinging to the walls.

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If you boost a channel of any normal multichannel mix +6dB, you're going to completely blast the volume of that channel. That isn't a small amount. The fact that you can do that and still listen to it without flinching is proof that the channel is low. If you aren't afraid to fine tune your settings, just try it and see if you like it better that way. If not, feel free to listen to it at whatever calibration you prefer. There is no absolute one size fits all setting. Only God is perfect. Engineers make mistakes, and calibration for mixing and playing back multichannel isn't as well controlled as two channel, both in studios and especially in homes. In fact, I think a lot of people depend on automatic EQ devices built into receivers too much. Those get you into the ballpark, but if you want to get a perfect sound field, you need to make the effort to learn how to adjust and fine tune your sound manually. Every mix is different and every listening room is different.

That said, the multichannel mixes for the Talking Heads albums were supervised by Jerry Harrison, and they emphasize the rhythm parts and mix down Byrne's vocals considerably compared to the original albums. Boosting the center may not work the same on the other albums. Just listen with your brain turned on and experiment if balances don't seem quite right or if the sound appears to be clinging to the walls.
When will you just give it up and stop trying to sound like an expert at mixing music. The fact that one can raise the volume of any specific channel 6 dB without it "blasting" has no bearing at all on the overall quality of the mix. You even posted that Jerry Harrison mixed David Byrne's vocals low. That is how the mix was intended to sound. By raising the center channel volume 6 dB it might bring up the vocals more to your liking but it also brings up all the other aspects of the center channel mix. That in itself throws off the front soundstage where the center channel volume is too prevalent. I know as I just did it this morning. After listening to the entire Remain In The Light DVD-A with all channel levels at "0" I can say without doubt that the 5.1 mix is very immersive with and excellent soundstage.

Try calibrating your system properly and then you might understand better. If you adjust the channel volumes for each and every surround mix when you listen you'll most certainly drive yourself crazy and ruin any enjoyment of listening to music. "clinging to the walls" ? Where do you come up with this stuff ?

I hate to burst your bubble but there is no such thing as a "perfect sound field". I use Dirac room correction and it does an excellent job in my room. I also use an SPL meter to check all speaker level volumes after each Dirac calibration. I've asked you before but how do you calibrate two sets of front speakers run of the A-B outputs of your Yamaha AVR? As far as I know no AVR has the ability to adjust the volume levels of two pairs of speakers run from the A-B outputs.

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I have The Joshua Tree MFSL CD and it does sound great. I listened to it recently and thought that it really isn't a reference recording but it's an excellent album. I would love to see U2's first five albums done in 5.1 on Blu-ray or SACD. That would be incredible!

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When will you just give it up and stop trying to sound like an expert at mixing music. The fact that one can raise the volume of any specific channel 6 dB without it "blasting" has no bearing at all on the overall quality of the mix. You even posted that Jerry Harrison mixed David Byrne's vocals low. That is how the mix was intended to sound. By raising the center channel volume 6 dB it might bring up the vocals more to your liking but it also brings up all the other aspects of the center channel mix. That in itself throws off the front soundstage where the center channel volume is too prevalent. I know as I just did it this morning. After listening to the entire Remain In The Light DVD-A with all channel levels at "0" I can say without doubt that the 5.1 mix is very immersive with and excellent soundstage.

Try calibrating your system properly and then you might understand better. If you adjust the channel volumes for each and every surround mix when you listen you'll most certainly drive yourself crazy and ruin any enjoyment of listening to music. "clinging to the walls" ? Where do you come up with this stuff ?

I hate to burst your bubble but there is no such thing as a "perfect sound field". I use Dirac room correction and it does an excellent job in my room. I also use an SPL meter to check all speaker level volumes after each Dirac calibration. I've asked you before but how do you calibrate two sets of front speakers run of the A-B outputs of your Yamaha AVR? As far as I know no AVR has the ability to adjust the volume levels of two pairs of speakers run from the A-B outputs.

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Just want to add something to Bill’s post, which I agree with. It sounds like sworth needs add some room treatment or to reapply some room correction EQ if his system has it. Or there’s a a problem with his equipment.
It’s hard to say since everyone’s ears and rooms are different, but he seems to draw conclusions that no else seems to agree with.
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