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Not my usual prog-rock fare, but nice to rock out to some great Latin rhythms from Gloria Estefan in high rez 5.1 from the dualdisc (SACD) release of her greatest hits.
The ballads really show off how clean this recording is, and there is good use of surrounds.

Thanks for this, i am on the hunt for it now.
I have the Isly Brothers 3+3 lined up for tonight should be pretty darn impressive.
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I do agree! You listed chicago... I think I'll search for some of theirs... would love to hear those horns in surround!
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I do agree! You listed chicago... I think I'll search for some of theirs... would love to hear those horns in surround!
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Is there an LFE channel, or is it Quadrophonic? (just guessing based on the word quadio lol)
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Quad is no center channel and no sub. Sometimes quad can sound very good. It all depends on the quality of the mix. But modern 5.1 mixes are more consistent in quality. There are some quad mixes that are pretty bad. They were just figuring out how to mix for surround back then.
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Quad is no center channel and no sub. Sometimes quad can sound very good. It all depends on the quality of the mix. But modern 5.1 mixes are more consistent in quality. There are some quad mixes that are pretty bad. They were just figuring out how to mix for surround back then.
FWIW: I prefer the quad mix of DSOTM more than the 5.1 mix, although the 5.1 mix is quite good.

Since Redbook CD's have lost their sales mojo to digital downloads, I wish the recording industry would release more albums (including their back catalog) in quad or 5.1 either on disc or digital download. Although the volumes are lower, the ASP's and margins are higher.
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Is there an LFE channel, or is it Quadrophonic? (just guessing based on the word quadio lol)
Yes, all of the mixes on the Chicago Quadio box set are 4.0 quad. No LFE or center channel output. Plenty of low bass output from them that is directed to my subs with my speakers set to small and a crossover of 80Hz (if I recall).
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Quad is no center channel and no sub. Sometimes quad can sound very good. It all depends on the quality of the mix. But modern 5.1 mixes are more consistent in quality. There are some quad mixes that are pretty bad. They were just figuring out how to mix for surround back then.
I have a number of 5.1 mixes that are pretty bad. I have some quad mixes that aren't that great as well. But many of the quad mixes in my collection sound excellent. Just because it's a 5.1 mix and was mixed more recently doesn't mean that the quality is going to be consistent with better sounding 5.1 mixes
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FWIW: I prefer the quad mix of DSOTM more than the 5.1 mix, although the 5.1 mix is quite good.
I prefer the quad mix of DSOTM as well. I also prefer the quad mix of WYWH when compared to the 5.1 mix.

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FWIW: I prefer the quad mix of DSOTM more than the 5.1 mix, although the 5.1 mix is quite good.
That's an album where the main engineer supervised the quad mix. There are lots of them where the quad mix was an afterthought and was left to assistants to knock out. Kind of like the Beatles early stereo albums. There are also some quad albums that are sourced from needle drop or 8 track tapes. Often that important fact is hidden in teenie tiny type. I got fooled by a couple of those. They sound like butt.

I've found that while quad can sound excellent, modern 5.1 mixes are more consistent in quality. Technology is better now- everything is discrete, and there is no need to compromise for matrixing.
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That's an album where the main engineer supervised the quad mix. There are lots of them where the quad mix was an afterthought and was left to assistants to knock out. Kind of like the Beatles early stereo albums. There are also some quad albums that are sourced from needle drop or 8 track tapes. Often that important fact is hidden in teenie tiny type. I got fooled by a couple of those. They sound like butt.

I've found that while quad can sound excellent, modern 5.1 mixes are more consistent in quality. Technology is better now- everything is discrete, and there is no need to compromise for matrixing.
And there are faux 5.1 mixes created using an upmixer.

Therefore caveat emptor!
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Which 5.1 mixes are created with an up mix? I've heard that with movies and TV shows, but not with music. I'd be interested in knowing which they are so I can avoid them.

The worst multichannel mix I have is George Benson, but that is probably because of an unimaginative engineer and limited tracks to work with. I suspect it was mixed from a 4 track.
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I do agree! You listed chicago... I think I'll search for some of theirs... would love to hear those horns in surround!
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The Chicago Quadio box set is excellent! It's 192/24 DTS-HD Master Audio on nine Blu-ray Audio discs. It's available from importcds for $116.47 plus shipping which would be about $14 per disc.

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Highly recommended. The greatest hits album included in this set is one of my all time favorites, stereo or quad. The quad mix is just superb.
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I've been lurking on this thread for a while now. It's cost me a fair bit of money.

Thought I'd jump in with what I'm listening to this morning...

Tower of Power 40th Anniversary Live at Fillmore Auditorium DVD 5.1

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I listened to Black Sea last night. It's the best surround XTC album. The guts aren't sucked out of the vocals like the rest of them. Steven Wilson is great at drums and surround, but he blunts vocals sometimes.
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Edit: I have to repeat a story Al Kooper wrote in his autobiograpy that makes me laugh every time I listen to this album. Al was sitting with Mike Bloomfield at Mike’s kitchen table. As they were talking Mike was munching on a box of Milk Bone dog biscuits like they were pretzels. The whole time Mike’s dog was underneath the table howling. Finally, Mike tossed a biscuit to his dog. The dog stopped howling. Mike finished the box, still chatting the whole time!
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I listened to Black Sea last night. It's the best surround XTC album. The guts aren't sucked out of the vocals like the rest of them. Steven Wilson is great at drums and surround, but he blunts vocals sometimes.
Agreed about the sound, it’s exceptional. On the whole though, every XTC album SW had remixed has been a winner. I haven’t found problems with the vocals in any of them. Some of his best work IMO.
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I listened to Black Sea last night. It's the best surround XTC album. The guts aren't sucked out of the vocals like the rest of them. Steven Wilson is great at drums and surround, but he blunts vocals sometimes.
So Steven Wilson's 5.1 mixes are lousy with vocals, bass and keyboards? I've had no issues with the vocals in any of SW's 5.1 remixes. Where do you come up with this stuff ?

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So Steven Wilson's 5.1 mixes are lousy with vocals, bass and keyboards? I've had no issues with the vocals in any of SW's 5.1 remixes. Where do you come up with this stuff ?

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In general I agree - Sw's 5.1 mixes are fantastic all around...however I do think his 5.1 mix of "No Language in Our Lungs" does a disservice as the original (and IMO much more correct) mix has heavy emphasis on the vocals where the SW mix - to my ears - lacks sufficient vocal punch (perhaps it is overwhelmed a bit). Haven't listened to it recently - so perhaps I should give it another shot - but I've felt this way on every listen thus far.
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Agreed about the sound, it’s exceptional. On the whole though, every XTC album SW had remixed has been a winner. I haven’t found problems with the vocals in any of them. Some of his best work IMO.
The problem was mainly with Drums and Wires. That album was firmly in the new wave category when it came out. Basic direct mix with raw, unprocessed vocals (ala David Byrne from Talking Heads). The Steven Wilson mix on that one took a lot of the edge off the vocals by EQing in a fuller sound, compressing to even out the attack, and adding slight ambience. It just softened it a bit too much. This one leaves the vocals more plain, which sounds better for early new wave. The processing on the vocals is fine for the later XTC albums when they got more psychedelic.
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The problem was mainly with Drums and Wires. That album was firmly in the new wave category when it came out. Basic direct mix with raw, unprocessed vocals (ala David Byrne from Talking Heads). The Steven Wilson mix on that one took a lot of the edge off the vocals by EQing in a fuller sound, compressing to even out the attack, and adding slight ambience. It just softened it a bit too much. This one leaves the vocals more plain, which sounds better for early new wave. The processing on the vocals is fine for the later XTC albums when they got more psychedelic.

Why did you contradict yourself? If you meant only D&W, you should have said so.
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Well, I prefer XTC in their new wave days. I stopped buying their albums after English Settlement so I'm not familiar with how the later albums sounded on LP. I've gotten the Steven Wilson versions of the later albums and the vocals sound soft like Drums & Wires. I'm guessing that's the way they originally sounded, but I don't care for it. Perhaps he mixed Drums & Wires to match the later albums. I'm glad he left the raw edge on Black Sea. I think that and Drums & Wires are their best albums. The later stuff is a bit self indulgent for my preference.
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The guts aren't sucked out of the vocals like the rest of them. Steven Wilson is great at drums and surround, but he blunts vocals sometimes.
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I've gotten the Steven Wilson versions of the later albums and the vocals sound soft like Drums & Wires. I'm guessing that's the way they originally sounded, but I don't care for it.
So first it was Steven Wilson that "sucked out of the vocals" and "blunts vocals sometimes". But now you're saying "I'm guessing that's the way they originally sounded". A regular walking and talking contradiction . You wouldn't happen to be a politician ?

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I'm saying that this is the first XTC album Steven Wilson has done that doesn't have over processed vocals. He's fantastic with drums and bass.
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