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I was critical of the Sgt Pepper 5.1 mix and was ready to mark it off, but I read in an internet forum that the problem was that the front and rear are just out of calibration to each other. I boosted the rear channels +7dB and the mix filled out and became three dimensional. The fox hunt at the end of Good Morning crossed from front right to rear left perfectly. And the vocals were better balanced as well. (They were a little too prominent before.) I suspect that a +3dB boost of the LFE channel is needed too. In any case, the mix I was ready to write off just came to life. I have no idea how imbalances like this can happen, but now that I know, I can correct for it by altering the settings on my amp.
I'm interested in learning more about this calibration mistake. Which forum would have more information about this?

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Home Theater Forum is where I heard about it. Several people will disappointed with the weak rear channels (including me) and were assuming that it was just a conservative mix. But someone said they had boosted their rear channels +6dB and it sounded much better. I tried that and he was right. I did some experimenting and found that I could get it to sound the best with +7db rears and +3 LFE. So far I've only tried it with the DTS track, not the Dolby one or the lossy track on the DVD. I don't know if they are similarly affected yet, but I will check when I get a chance. I've never had to do this with any other blu-ray. Very odd. If you have the box, give it a try and see what you think.

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I'm interested in learning more about this calibration mistake. Which forum would have more information about this?
Quadraphonicquad dot com would be the best place to go and get more information. This is where the surround sound experts live.
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Someone over at Home Theater Forum tried the fix and agreed with me. Interestingly enough, when he played the bonus tracks (Abbey Lane and Strawberry Fields) they sounded better at default settings. That makes sense because those mixes were done for the 1+ bluray a year or so ago and there was nothing wrong with that one. I think there definitely is something wrong with the Sgt Pepper track. Tonight I'm going to check the Dolby and DVD versions and I'm going to try to do the correction subtractively, by reducing the mains rather than boosting the rears. I think that may work better.
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Interestingly enough, when he played the bonus tracks (Abbey Lane and Strawberry Fields) they sounded better at default settings. That makes sense because those mixes were done for the 1+ bluray a year or so ago and there was nothing wrong with that one.
Did you mean Penny Lane?

Penny Lane is a brand new 2017 mix, not the 2015 1+. However, you're correct regarding Strawberry Fields Forever. That is a 2015 mix.
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Someone over at Home Theater Forum tried the fix and agreed with me. Interestingly enough, when he played the bonus tracks (Abbey Lane and Strawberry Fields) they sounded better at default settings. That makes sense because those mixes were done for the 1+ bluray a year or so ago and there was nothing wrong with that one. I think there definitely is something wrong with the Sgt Pepper track. Tonight I'm going to check the Dolby and DVD versions and I'm going to try to do the correction subtractively, by reducing the mains rather than boosting the rears. I think that may work better.
Going to give this a try tomorrow.

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Did you mean Penny Lane? Penny Lane is a brand new 2017 mix, not the 2015 1+. However, you're correct regarding Strawberry Fields Forever. That is a 2015 mix.
Posting from work makes me Abbey-Addle brained. I haven't directly compared Penny Lane to the one on the 1+ disc, but it sure sounds about the same to me. When I'm done checking the other things, maybe I'll look into that.
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I checked the Dolby mix last night. It needs the same level correction as the DTS. It works better to reduce the level of the mains, center and sub -7dB than it does to boost the rears. I haven't checked the lossy mix on the DVD yet or the singles.
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Finally got a chance to give a good listen of the BD. Giles did a really nice job with the 5.1 mix. It's a bit bright, but it was a tasteful use of the surrounds. It must have been nerve wracking for him to tackle the most iconic rock album in history without pissing off at least a few people.
The BD stereo is astounding. I've heard Pepper 1000 times but never heard this level of detail before. I had to relisten on my headphones just to make sure I heard what I thought I heard.
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Try listening to it again with the rears boosted 4 to 6dB or so. It's a MUCH better mix that way.
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I listened to the blu-ray and agree with others, boosting the surround (or bringing down the other channels) sounds more immersive and better to me. I also noticed that my receiver shows DTS-MA 5.1 3/2/.1 but the Dolby TrueHD mix is 3/3/.1 Flag = MATRIX. I am bitstreaming the blu-ray from my Oppo BDP-95. Is the the Dolby TrueHD a 6.1 mix using matrixed surround left+right, an authoring mistake in the blu-ray, or a bug in my Marantz SR-5009?
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I listened to the blu-ray and agree with others, boosting the surround (or bringing down the other channels) sounds more immersive and better to me. I also noticed that my receiver shows DTS-MA 5.1 3/2/.1 but the Dolby TrueHD mix is 3/3/.1 Flag = MATRIX. I am bitstreaming the blu-ray from my Oppo BDP-95. Is the the Dolby TrueHD a 6.1 mix using matrixed surround left+right, an authoring mistake in the blu-ray, or a bug in my Marantz SR-5009?
Same. My Denon 6200 reports that the 5.1 Dolby TrueHD audio mix is 6.1 Matrix with a Surround Back channel. I have a 5.1.4 setup so if there is a Back channel, I presume it gets mixed into the Side Surrounds. However, I'm guessing the Surround Back channel is a phantom channel with no audio content although I have no way to verify.

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Someone over at Home Theater Forum tried the fix and agreed with me. Interestingly enough, when he played the bonus tracks (Abbey Lane and Strawberry Fields) they sounded better at default settings. That makes sense because those mixes were done for the 1+ bluray a year or so ago and there was nothing wrong with that one. I think there definitely is something wrong with the Sgt Pepper track. Tonight I'm going to check the Dolby and DVD versions and I'm going to try to do the correction subtractively, by reducing the mains rather than boosting the rears. I think that may work better.
Someone at HeadFi called "bigshot" said the same thing might have been him you're talking about he also lives in the LA area.

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Same. My Denon 6200 reports that the 5.1 Dolby TrueHD audio mix is 6.1 Matrix with a Surround Back channel. I have a 5.1.4 setup so if there is a Back channel, I presume it gets mixed into the Side Surrounds. However, I'm guessing the Surround Back channel is a phantom channel with no audio content although I have no way to verify.
My guess would be a flagging issue, as I really doubt there were 2 mixes. There is an Atmos mix but it was not included on any of the home releases.

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Just a heads up if any of you guys haven't seen it yet. PBS has been showing a great documentary called "Sgt. Peppers Musical Revolution".
It breaks down many of the songs regarding which musical and personal experiences influenced them. It also shows what tricks were used to record them in terms of the limitations of recording technology of the 60's.
This documentary really should have been included in the box set.
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Just a heads up if any of you guys haven't seen it yet. PBS has been showing a great documentary called "Sgt. Peppers Musical Revolution".
It breaks down many of the songs regarding which musical and personal experiences influenced them. It also shows what tricks were used to record them in terms of the limitations of recording technology of the 60's.
This documentary really should have been included in the box set.
I recorded it when it first aired so I could skip over the lengthy, annoying pledge breaks. The documentary is fascinating at times. Highly recommended!

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Try listening to it again with the rears boosted 4 to 6dB or so. It's a MUCH better mix that way.
Is there a way to use software tools to then have a playback of this recording without needing to manually adjust your receiver to boost the back channels?
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Is there a way to use software tools to then have a playback of this recording without needing to manually adjust your receiver to boost the back channels?
If you have a programmable remote, you might be able to set up a one button macro to make the adjustment. That is the only way I can think of. According to folks in another thread, they used to have trim controls on AVRs that would do it, but I don't think any models have that feature any more.

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I do have a programmable remote, but not sure if my Denon X2300 has that capability. I'll have to look into that. Thanks.
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Check out this episode of All Songs Considered. Giles Martin plays back-to-back selections from the original mono mix, the old stereo mix, and the new 2017 stereo mix. Basically he tried to recreate the sound (tape speed, phasing, etc) of the mono mixes but in stereo. He also boosted the lower frequencies (Ringo) more than is possible when mastering for vinyl. Listen to the podcast with headphones.

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That was a very informative interview with Giles. Though he only really discusses the new stereo mix, it was interesting to hear the original mono, the original stereo (which apparently were done as afterthoughts) and the new stereo.

I will have to wait for the discs to be a bit cheaper before I purchase as I can't really justify the full boxed set.
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I can't believe that $120 for a box set of a single album and they did not include the " Ultimate Mix " in Dolby Atmos! The Beatles always bragged that they wanted the fans to get the best value for their money which is why Singles were never on Albums. I guess the philosophy has changed. I was disappointed with INXS Kick until I was able to take advantage of the ATMOS Mix. No longer disappointed! Wonder how much it will cost me to find out if the same can be said of Pepper?


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I can't believe that $120 for a box set of a single album and they did not include the " Ultimate Mix " in Dolby Atmos! The Beatles always bragged that they wanted the fans to get the best value for their money which is why Singles were never on Albums. I guess the philosophy has changed. I was disappointed with INXS Kick until I was able to take advantage of the ATMOS Mix. No longer disappointed! Wonder how much it will cost me to find out if the same can be said of Pepper?


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I can't believe that $120 for a box set of a single album and they did not include the " Ultimate Mix " in Dolby Atmos! The Beatles always bragged that they wanted the fans to get the best value for their money which is why Singles were never on Albums. I guess the philosophy has changed. I was disappointed with INXS Kick until I was able to take advantage of the ATMOS Mix. No longer disappointed! Wonder how much it will cost me to find out if the same can be said of Pepper?


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This is a marketing travestity! Dolby could cement their music bonafides by working with Paul, Ringo, Olivia, Yoko, Capitol and Apple Records to release this to the fans. What a missed opportunity! <sigh>
I have the Sgt. Pepper blu-ray and only listened to it once (it's not very compelling of a surround mix) and I don't even have Atmos and probably never will (unless I move out of my house which I probably never will), but this is a bummer for sure.

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I think that Sgt Pepper is a better mix for immersive sound than the White Album. I think you need a specific kind of surround setup for that to work though. It falls apart if you aren't calibrated right or if your room isn't ideal. It didn't help that they released it out of calibration themselves. I have a few discs like that where you have to adjust the levels in some channels to get it to work properly.
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