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Well so far this a joke. The Echo Studio. That's not ATMOS.
Amar Bose eat your heart out

If this approach gets Atmos to take off and become a universal format well its time to get on the Echo Studio train.


Big, big play by Amazon where they could take out Apple who insists on 16 bit audio CD standard as the be all and end all.


Hate to say it, but they are keeping the eye on the ball targeting deluxe housewife kitchen speakers. Oh baby imagine your home theater with Echo Studio Atmos.

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Is this atmos music a proprietary amazon gimmick? I'm curious as to how that would sound. Do you hear like someone playing a guitar over your head or drums or is it just an ambience? Sounds odd. I have a fair number of dts surround and DVD audio/bluray audio cds and most of them sound great. But that format just doesn't seem as weird as overhead music. Some bands I've seen in concert actually used speakers in the back of the crowd for added effects and such. Pink floyd being one such band. By the way the dts surround mix of wish you were here is pretty awesome.
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Is this atmos music a proprietary amazon gimmick?
This is difficult to determine without the ability to output the 'Atmos' encoded audio stream to a conventional Atmos set-up, instead of one of those R2D2 speakers
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Is this atmos music a proprietary amazon gimmick? I'm curious as to how that would sound. Do you hear like someone playing a guitar over your head or drums or is it just an ambience? Sounds odd. I have a fair number of dts surround and DVD audio/bluray audio cds and most of them sound great. But that format just doesn't seem as weird as overhead music. Some bands I've seen in concert actually used speakers in the back of the crowd for added effects and such. Pink floyd being one such band. By the way the dts surround mix of wish you were here is pretty awesome.
Real ATMOS is not weird nor is it a gimmick. While 5.1 surrounds you, ATMOS envelopes you in the surround.

Plus if your system doubles for movies, it's also spectacular when paired with 4k.
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And here I am waiting for Atmos music to be available on bluray audio.
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And here I am waiting for Atmos music to be available on bluray audio.
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Sadly, there are Two Very Different things:

Music in Dolby Atmos
Like a film soundtrack in Dolby Atmos codec format. The sound is a song or an album as usual, in multichannel/objects format.

Dolby Atmos Music
Just a brand name that uses the known word "Atmos" from Dolby to name a "minor" codec to deliver two channel music to "smart gadgets" (phones, headphones, amazon echo studio, etc.) with the promise of beeing surround sound (virtualized).

People with Home Theater installation with height speakers Want the first One.

The recent announcements of Dolby partnership with Universal Studios for future music production, Amazon and Tidal services, are the Second One. I'm not interested at all.

What a pitty!
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Sadly, there are Two Very Different things:



Music in Dolby Atmos
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Dolby Atmos Music
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I didn’t know that. Makes you wonder if the marketing people at Dolby are extremely smart or extremely stupid for confusing the end users and potentially devaluating the brand.

On the other hand Dolby Atmos Music seems to be as well about mixing tracks using 3D sound objects. At least that is what I am taking from their statements e.g. here:
If that is the case it may help us getting Music in Dolby Atmos eventually. Just hoping ...
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I didn’t know that. Makes you wonder if the marketing people at Dolby are extremely smart or extremely stupid for confusing the end users and potentially devaluating the brand.

On the other hand Dolby Atmos Music seems to be as well about mixing tracks using 3D sound objects. At least that is what I am taking from their statements e.g. here: https://youtu.be/385V3rwVTcc
If that is the case it may help us getting Music in Dolby Atmos eventually. Just hoping ...
The problem is while that might be what they're saying to tie in the tech with what is commonly considered Dolby Atmos, if the only licensees of Dolby Atmos Music are companies restrict it to a mobile platform or what would otherwise be a two-channel speaker, we don't know if this is something comparable to what "Music in Atmos" actually is on, say, the R.E.M. or Hans Zimmer releases. Hence for HT enthusiasts, it's a non-starter for our systems at the moment.
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The problem is while that might be what they're saying to tie in the tech with what is commonly considered Dolby Atmos, if the only licensees of Dolby Atmos Music are companies restrict it to a mobile platform or what would otherwise be a two-channel speaker, we don't know if this is something comparable to what "Music in Atmos" actually is on, say, the R.E.M. or Hans Zimmer releases. Hence for HT enthusiasts, it's a non-starter for our systems at the moment.


So does that mean that Music compiled with the Dolby Atmos Music editing packages will only be rendered on such mobil devices due to licensing restrictions that are enforced by Dolby or is that just due to the choice of people like Amazon that want to focus and limit any licenses on the mobile devices for the moment?

My optimism may be entirely unfounded. It just looks like all the required components are in place to make Music in Atmos happen. Somehow I want to believe that it wont just fail because the acting parties are ignorant or follow an evil agenda.
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...It just looks like all the required components are in place to make Music in Atmos happen. ...
Actually the required components were in place since the first movie with sound in Dolby Atmos was released for home. They can mix any kind of sound including music.

As @sdrucker says, there must be a licensing issue to release the "cheaper" Dolby Atmos Music for 2 speaker gadget devices, instead of the full Music in Dolby Atmos for HT via streaming services like Amazon. Currently the last are still very few releases of music and it is delivered only via Bluray discs, with the exception of Matt Darey who sells its amazing Atmos renders via downloadable files from his web site.

I hope also that Dolby strategy would be a good one to make evolve the market demand for Dolby Atmos in music, by delivering the 2 speaker gadgets for the mainstream mass first. The same productions could eventually be rendered as true Dolby Atmos and delivered later, possibly at a higher price level.

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You are absolutely right. I hope that people recognize that the environment is much different from the times some artists released 5.1 versions of their tracks on DVD, which never got much traction. However, at the time the standard way of music delivery was the CD and causal hearing happened via FM radio or a Walkman. None of which was able to reproduce the advanced formats. So lets hope the industry realizes that this is the time for moving beyond 2ch stereo.
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Dolby says Pearl Jam’s new album Gigaton is on Amazon in Atmos. Unfortunately, Atmos still seems to be locked to the one speaker.
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Dolby says Pearl Jam’s new album Gigaton is on Amazon in Atmos. Unfortunately, Atmos still seems to be locked to the one speaker.
Is this still true? Not the Pearl Jam part, but the Atmos on the one speaker part.

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Is this still true? Not the Pearl Jam part, but the Atmos on the one speaker part.
AFAIK, Atmos on Amazon is still limited the the Echo Studio speaker.
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It seems like it would be so easy to at least make this available on the firetv stick for home theatre setups. They might even sell more of the echo speakers as interest in the format would likely increase. Fingers crossed.

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It seems like it would be so easy to at least make this available on the firetv stick for home theatre setups. They might even sell more of the echo speakers as interest in the format would likely increase. Fingers crossed.
Perhaps, home theatre people (very few) and echo speakers people (potentially very much) are two different and separated targets.

It's not a technical issue. It's a market issue.

Lets hope the mass target people (echo speaker) helps to drive the inccrease of true Music in Dolby Atmos for home theatre.

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Perhaps, home theatre people (very few) and echo speakers people (potentially very much) are two different and separated targets.

It's not a technical issue. It's a market issue.

Lets hope the mass target people (echo speaker) helps to drive the inccrease of true Music in Dolby Atmos for home theatre.
I get that it's a marketing issue, and that as an art major in college, I have only one very shaky little leg to stand on when comes to any real insight into the matter of marketing, however...my point is that the home theatre market (relatively few, but very passionate about the possibilities), could drive the echo speaker, and potentially the so called Atmos soundbar people (relatively very large, but less passionate about the format), to a possible sustainable profitable model. New rabbit holes appear for new consumers. Profits soar.
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This is major news if it's true. And being able to play back on an Apple TV 4K or newer Nvidia shields will be major. I've got a Trinnov with two pairs of side surrounds and left/right center, so maybe we'll be able tell if this is true Dolby Atmos with object passthrough..

But not Roku? It has Tidal but I don’t see it listed.

EDIT: just installed Tidal on my Apple TV. I listened to the first clip from “Atmos for Androids”, which seems like 7.1.4. Putting on REM’s ”Automatic for the People”. I’m seeing all my speakers lighting up on Everybody Hurts, and I’m getting Dolby Atmos on the inputs. Yay!

Minor nitpick: I have the BluRay with Atmos for that album. As a thought exercise, I might do some A/B test to see if it’s the same mix on the BD as in Atmos Music.

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I'm waiting for amazon Music HD to get their act together and offer their own Atmos music catalog to owners of FTV Stick 4K and Atmos HT systems.

Kinda pathetic that Tidal can offer it on a FTV Stick connected to an Atmos capable system but amazon can't.

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I'm waiting for amazon Music HD to get their act together and offer their own Atmos music catalog to owners of FTV Stick 4K and Atmos HT systems.

Kinda pathetic that Tidal can offer it on a FTV Stick connected to an Atmos capable system but amazon can't.
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It's as if they are daring there users to go to Tidal.

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I registered for TIDAL HiFi 60 days Trial today.

Downloaded the App for Windows 10 and started my account. Found some Dolby Atmos Playlist and add some tracks to Favourites.

Fire Stick 4K (Fire OS 6.2.7.1) - Updated. Installed TIDAL App and linked to my account with the provided code.

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Firestick is Connected to Denon 8500, and can Play correctly Dolby Atmos from Amazon Prime Jack Ryan Series, for example.

I registered a support question to TIDAL tech support. Waiting for his answer.
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I'm waiting for amazon Music HD to get their act together and offer their own Atmos music catalog to owners of FTV Stick 4K and Atmos HT systems.

Kinda pathetic that Tidal can offer it on a FTV Stick connected to an Atmos capable system but amazon can't.
The TIDAL app is supposed to offer Dolby Atmos streaming on FTV Stick.

But it does not work for me: "Dolby Atmos not supported on this device", and neither for more than a couple of users on these forums.

Perhaps, is just that Amazon denies TIDAL Atmos to work on his device? You see...
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So, thanks to @sdrucker , I will try these exact tracks to verify the matter on my system!
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EDIT: just installed Tidal on my Apple TV. I listened to the first clip from “Atmos for Androids”, which seems like 7.1.4. Putting on REM’s ”Automatic for the People”. I’m seeing all my speakers lighting up on Everybody Hurts, and I’m getting Dolby Atmos on the inputs. Yay!
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But ... On the FireTv 4k.
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