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Amazon Music Ultra HD... WTH!!

I just signed up for a 30 day free trial of the Amazon Music Ultra HD services. Was really excited to find what I had hoped was an easy way to stream high quality music in a way so simple that would pass the WAF test...

Anyways, I got it all running on my plenty capable system (Marantz SR7021 at heart) only to find that Amazon bottlenecks the quality with their own hardware... #$%#$!!! I am streaming through the FireTV Cube and it limits to 44.1kHz throughput... As far as I can tell none of the Amazon hardware supports streaming at the higher rate.

So....what is the best way to get the highest quality up to 192KHz streaming of the Amazon service into my Marantz? I really don't want to drag a laptop over every time I want higher res audio. Is there an Amazon box I am missing? another way to stream the content?

Thanks in advance and sorry if I have this on the wrong forum!
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Ok figured it out.... OMG Heos heos heos!!! Hi Rez and aggregates the streaming sources I use. I thought it was just a multi room solution -much more and just works!
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Ok figured it out.... OMG Heos heos heos!!! Hi Rez and aggregates the streaming sources I use. I thought it was just a multi room solution -much more and just works!


So does it sound better?


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Better than what?
Thinking "better than going through any Fire TV device". And the answer is YES. If I use HEOS directly from my Marantz music can stream full hi rex whereas the FireTV devices choke the stream down. On my system I can clearly hear a big difference and the music is much more immersive. I have been at this for many years and was shocked to see how easy it was to get going.... You need a HEOS compatible receiver of course.
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I can't find a solution to gettingU Amazon Ultra HD our my avr. I feel like I have so many components yet none can allow me to achieve it.
I assume my only hope is Pioneer updates the Amazon Music App on my AVR someday, or Apple TV somehow addresses it (which seems unlikely).
Connecting a computer to my AVR is not doable currently
I have Echo spots but no way to get digital signal out to avr.
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Thinking "better than going through any Fire TV device". And the answer is YES. If I use HEOS directly from my Marantz music can stream full hi rex whereas the FireTV devices choke the stream down. On my system I can clearly hear a big difference and the music is much more immersive. I have been at this for many years and was shocked to see how easy it was to get going.... You need a HEOS compatible receiver of course.
Keep in mind that your Marantz receiver is going to decimate any incoming signal to 48khz for processing prior to outputting.

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Keep in mind that your Marantz receiver is going to decimate any incoming signal to 48khz for processing prior to outputting.
Ok you got my attention.... Not following as the SR7012 does indeed support Hi-Rez. When I play a track via HEOS the receiver displays output resolution at that higher rate. Am I missing something? Am I getting some sort of placebo effect as It sure does seem to sound better now??

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Ok you got my attention.... Not following as the SR7012 does indeed support Hi-Rez. When I play a track via HEOS the receiver displays output resolution at that higher rate. Am I missing something? Am I getting some sort of placebo effect as It sure does seem to sound better now??

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All inputs, (including HEOS) except for your 7.1 channel analog inputs, are reprocessed to 48khz for Audyssey. They also go through an extra ADC and DAC step which is not lossless.

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Well that bites! Would direct, pure direct, or switching off audyssey allow the higher bandwidth signal to pass through?
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Well that bites! Would direct, pure direct, or switching off audyssey allow the higher bandwidth signal to pass through?
Direct and pure direct both turn off Audyssey. The answer is not clear at the moment. Marantz Technical Support has said both yes and no to me. I have gotten the no answer more often. It seems like all signals are reprocessed except for the 7.1ch inputs.

I actually have my music going from:

HTPC -> USB -> exaSound e38 DAC -> Marantz 8805 7.1ch inputs -> Amps -> Speakers

This avoids the reprocessing. When I do listen to HEOS I go:

Marantz 8805 -> Amps -> Speakers

It does sound different to me but that could be the DAC difference as well.

This is with the exact same source files for both.

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Debatable whether one can hear the difference between 48 Khz and higher sampling rates. You'll still get 24 vs 16 bit. I wouldn't stress over it.
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Direct and pure direct both turn off Audyssey. The answer is not clear at the moment. Marantz Technical Support has said both yes and no to me. I have gotten the no answer more often. It seems like all signals are reprocessed except for the 7.1ch inputs.

I actually have my music going from:

HTPC -> USB -> exaSound e38 DAC -> Marantz 8805 7.1ch inputs -> Amps -> Speakers

This avoids the reprocessing. When I do listen to HEOS I go:

Marantz 8805 -> Amps -> Speakers

It does sound different to me but that could be the DAC difference as well.

This is with the exact same source files for both.
I sort of recall the reprocessing debate when I purchased my Marantz SR7012. For me, my top priority is to have a modern HT system with the ability to listen to Hi-Rez music easily as a second level. I used to have an Oppo 105D -> Integra Pre/Pro -> Amps set-up which sounded super nice to me. however that Integra was falling behind on the HT side of things so I sold the Oppo (full price after 2-3 years. guess there is a message there...) to buy the Marantz to get some flexibility with generally usability and things like Atmos etc...

My music nirvana is to be able to "easily" pull up the best available music track as in up to 192/24 and just listen... I had hoped the Amazon Music HD option via HEOS had accomplished that but it seems like there still "issues" to sort out. The other option is to simply buy tracks from HD tracks and play them USB-> SR7012-> Amps -> Speakers. That sort of blows the "easy" part and of course the access to 50M+ songs....

Starting to feel like things need to develop some more in order to achieve above. I just don't want to fiddle when it comes to playback and am so immersed in the Amazon universe that this would have been a really great step forward to me. Starting to feel need to wait some more and just roll back to basic prime music plus pandora and Sirius XM for the time being.... bummer.
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Debatable whether one can hear the difference between 48 Khz and higher sampling rates. You'll still get 24 vs 16 bit. I wouldn't stress over it.
Yes and no I think.... Per my last post starting to feel mainstream Hi-Rez audio is really not ready for prime time and likely just to roll back to what have been doing.

However..... I think the whole reason we are on sites like this and have all this gear is we all want to squeeze the best possible quality out of the equipment we can afford. That is part of the fun of what we do. It just feels weird and disconcerting to play a track that is supposed to be 192/24 and not be sure that it is being rolled all the way back to 48Khz. Even if the ability to really hear the difference is debatable, I'd sort of like to figure that out for myself...
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Direct and pure direct both turn off Audyssey. The answer is not clear at the moment. Marantz Technical Support has said both yes and no to me. I have gotten the no answer more often. It seems like all signals are reprocessed except for the 7.1ch inputs.
Even though this really has not much to do with surround music and probably belongs in the Marantz thread, I have heard that the audio is decimated to 48 Khz when Audyssey is enabled. Therefore you don't have to use Audyssey or even set it up. You can have a professional calibration done on your system or do it yourself if you have the equipment. The 48 Khz down rez is also not just on Marantz but Denon and other brands as well. The one person who might have the real scoop on this is the person who pretty much knows all on Marantz and Denon, jdsmoothie.

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Yes and no I think.... Per my last post starting to feel mainstream Hi-Rez audio is really not ready for prime time and likely just to roll back to what have been doing.

However..... I think the whole reason we are on sites like this and have all this gear is we all want to squeeze the best possible quality out of the equipment we can afford. That is part of the fun of what we do. It just feels weird and disconcerting to play a track that is supposed to be 192/24 and not be sure that it is being rolled all the way back to 48Khz. Even if the ability to really hear the difference is debatable, I'd sort of like to figure that out for myself...
That's a limitation of your AVR, not the service.
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"That's a limitation of your AVR, not the service".


I purchased a Fire TV cube hoping to stream Amazon HD music and was only able to get 48 kHz regardless of settings. Amazon tech help confirmed the cube is only capable of 16 bit, 48 kHz even though it's listed as an HD music streaming device. Pretty lame. Cancelled subscription.
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