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I fear my 1990's era Denon 5803 AVR is nearing end-of-life and I've begun thinking about the next system. I have always enjoyed the Dolby PLIIx music mode for two channel sources like CDs and streamed music. Is there an equivalent or something better regarding music in the newer Dolby formats?
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The new Dolby Surround upmixer does some things (centre extraction) better than PLIIx but other things (surround envelopment) not as well. The Auro3D format has an umpixer called Auro-Matic which is pleasant sounding with 2-channel music but uses a completely different approach (generated ambience) compared to DSU and PLIIx (extracted ambience). DTS also has a new upmixer, Neural:X, which sounds kinda meh with 2-channel music (but better than Neo:6 on your 5803). None of them sound like PLIIx Music mode. But if you get a receiver or processor with all 3, you can compare on the fly to pick your favourite.
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Thanks for the reply. I never liked NEO 6 either.
I'm looking at getting separates now in order to match the power of the old Denon so maybe I can find a processor that can do all three.
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Thanks for the reply. I never liked NEO 6 either.
I'm looking at getting separates now in order to match the power of the old Denon so maybe I can find a processor that can do all three.
The flagship Denon AVR X8500H can do all three and probably has all the power you'll ever need. Worth a look.
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Thanks for the reply. I never liked NEO 6 either.
I'm looking at getting separates now in order to match the power of the old Denon so maybe I can find a processor that can do all three.
If you really liked PL2X you are NOT going to like the new DSU and DTS Neural, far cry from PL2X, I feel Auro is real close after adjusted, I also have the 5803 circa 2002/2003 collecting memories ! but don't worry about power or wattages most will easily handle most needs depending on room size and speaker ratings.The Denon 6500 should be plenty unless you need another flagship,The Marantz units with their HDAM circuits create a more laid back warmth sound for music,The 8500 drives the RBH signitures to insane levels without breaking a sweat,Happy Shopping !

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I fear my 1990's era Denon 5803 AVR is nearing end-of-life and I've begun thinking about the next system. I have always enjoyed the Dolby PLIIx music mode for two channel sources like CDs and streamed music. Is there an equivalent or something better regarding music in the newer Dolby formats?
I don't think you will find a better sounding surround music codec than Dolby Pro Logic Iix Music unless you go to SACD 5.1 or DVD-A 5.1. Maybe you should just try separates, but stay away from ATMOS as it has music coming from the ceiling which is terrible to me.
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I don't think you will find a better sounding surround music codec than Dolby Pro Logic Iix Music unless you go to SACD 5.1 or DVD-A 5.1. Maybe you should just try separates
Obviously I agree and I'm not going to do ceiling speakers either. The old flagship Denon is still working well however, for now. Streaming Amazon's new HD music and applying the Denon's PLIIx music processing to that sounds wonderful to me. The future does not look as bright though. No separate processor I checked out has the PLII capability any longer.
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Obviously I agree and I'm not going to do ceiling speakers either. The old flagship Denon is still working well however, for now. Streaming Amazon's new HD music and applying the Denon's PLIIx music processing to that sounds wonderful to me. The future does not look as bright though. No separate processor I checked out has the PLII capability any longer.
I think the manufacturers use DSU or whatever for ATMOS products. I never embraced ATMOS because I have never in my life heard object based sound coming from a space in the ceiling. Properly placed rear speakers do a splendid job in creating the illusion of sound coming from above. I think ATMOS was invented by Dolby to wrestle the surround codec domination from DTS. P. T. Barnum is working here. Now folks are getting rid of their systems for ATMOS. However, you have to use a little discernment as businesses will create need where none is needed for the sake of profit. You can't blame them however. I just didn't fall for it.
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The upmixing DSP on my Yamaha receiver is better than any of the DTS or Dolby ones. You might check out Yamaha. They are known for their surround processing.
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The upmixing DSP on my Yamaha receiver is better than any of the DTS or Dolby ones. You might check out Yamaha. They are known for their surround processing.
Sorry, but my Bryston SP3 is just fine.
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